Oh paaaaleeese, none of these ccw or open carry asswipes are never, ever, in the right place at the right time. Furthermore, please show me and this forum some statistics that PROVE that good people with guns stop bad guys or bad people with guns. I'll give you a clue, there aren't any, as in, there aren't any of those situations. If there is or if there are, it's only once or a few a year. Please show some stats that prove more guns would be the answer to gun problems. There ain't none of those either, except a higher rate of self inflicted homicides and suicides, and domestic argument shootings. The answer is not more guns, and it most certainly is not having armed people in schools, malls, and stores.
I used to frequent a local laundry to wash my clothes, the proprietor's buddy was in the business establishment on a daily basis, he is a CCW person, it is evident by the large bulge under his t shirt. I approached him once and asked him why he carries a firearm, his answer was simplistic, as most people who carry openly or concealed, it was "because I can". What a ridiculous reason for wanting to carry a gun.
There are quite a few of these per year though:
"Authorities say a Livingston County man accidentally shot himself while shopping at a home improvement store with the gun he was legally carrying.
The incident happened around 6 p.m. Thursday at the Home Depot in Brighton, near I-96 and Grand River Avenue.
Police say the 32-year-old Green Oak Township man, who was not named, was apparently reaching into his pocket for his wallet when he inadvertently grabbed his pistol and a shot fired, striking him in the buttocks."
Please try to keep the discussion respectful. Blanketing an entire group of people, including myself as a ccw, as "asswipes" looks childish and doesn't help the conversation at all.
You are all over the place with your arguments so I'll try to respond to each one. "PROVE that good people with guns stop bad guys or bad people with guns." To me, I can only help but to point directly at the police and military. They do this every single day. That's not a secret or a statistic that I need to provide.
Now, maybe you meant to prove that ccw's and/or open carriers stop bad guys. As for open carriers, I told you in my last response, "Who are you to say that he/she hasn't "stopped eeeevil" before? Do you know for sure that that person wasn't in the right place at the right time when an attacker called it off because they saw someone was armed? It's a small chance, but it's still a chance. You or I couldn't possibly know that."
As for concealed carriers, I have first hand experience with having to pull my firearm only once. It may or may not have exactly saved my life, but was able to stop the situation and nobody got hurt, so I call that a win. But lets disregard my own and ALL of the other personal stories like mine because, you know, I guess they don't count?? I'm not sure how you came up with your, "there aren't good people who carry firearms that stop bad people." It's actually a little mind blowing to me that you think that's true. But for the sake of your argument:
2016: Concealed carrier stops mass shooting. Right place at the right time? I just can't see how that is possible. You specifically said that doesn't happen.
2016: Note that the man that took down the "bad guy" actually trains concealed carriers for this exact situation. But you're right, he's just an "asswipe". You absolutely know better than him and the people he saved.
2017: Not a concealed carrier, just had a firearm at the right time. But again, how could that possibly be? You said it never happens?
2018: Concealed carrier saves police officer.
2017: Concealed carrier stops robbery and shooter at mall.
2017: Conealed carrier shoots robber aiming weapon at his family.
I could post a ton of those, but I honestly don't think you care about them. You seem to think of normal occurrences as just fantasy. And yes, they are normal occurrences in many areas. It just may not be normal right where you live. So how about research straight from the Crime Prevention Research Center regarding this exact topic? Will that help? Just straight up, non-biased research. Maybe that will shed some light.
Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States
Straight from that report: Bullet point #7 of the Summary- Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 (preliminary estimates) per 100,000. This represents a 25% drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 178%. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent over that period of time.
Once again, I am confused. You said there would be, "higher rate of self inflicted homicides and suicides, and domestic argument shootings." But according the the stats, which you said "there ain't none", that's not true. So do these stories and actual research/stats put your absolutely for sure logic into question?
And now on to you responding to things that I didn't even say. I never said more guns = better. Never. In fact, just a few pages back I said that certain guns should be banned completely. I also said there should be even stricter gun laws for gun owners, ccw's, carriers, etc. I never said more guns is better. That is your opinion taking over in your response. Not every gun owner wants more guns. That is the naive part. Most gun owners want certain firearms banned, stricter gun laws, etc, just like non-gun owners.
There you go. I answered all of your questions and gave you what you asked for, which you said doesn't exist. Now please do me the favor of answering my one question to you that I actually put in bold: What would you do if you were in this exact situation? Locked down in a classroom/gas station/grocery store/whatever, when a gunman came in and was slowly picking people off. Now say a genie appeared and offered you a firearm. Would you accept the firearm or not? This is obviously hypothetical, but I think it's a very fair question. Seems like you are afraid to even think of that scenario simply because you have an opinion. This is a normal occurrence for a lot of people. Not everything is as easy as just having an opinion as simple as "those people are asswipes."