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johnnycee Wrote: George Zimmerman did not tracked down his prey as you allege ,instead as a town watch volunteer he was observing and following, while talking to a 911 dispatcher about the ongoing situation, how is that tracking his prey? Are you suggesting that George Zimmerman was a predator of some sort and was seeking a victim to prey on, quite a stretch if you ask me.
Z was told by the police dispatcher to stay in his car and not follow T.
Z disregarded the instuctions that were given to him and chased down T in order to confront him with his gun.
He never would have confronted T unless he had the gun. He was armed and prepared to kill a big black man.
johnnycee Wrote: Suspicious activity is in the eyes of the beholder, there are few strict interpetations of that term as each jurisdiction has its own criteria for that term, George said in the tape that this guy must be on drugs or something, he was walking unsteady and between the apartment complexes, you are looking for facts not presented as evidence IE: he must be running because he was breathing heavy ergo he was chasing Trayvon, the version given by George such as returning to his car ,and before he gets there ,he is accosted by Trayvon and subsequently punched, there were no facts to the contrary submitted by the prosecution, the medical examiner who drew her conclusions based on photographs should have her license lifted,, I have seen injuries where there is just a small insignificant hole in the back, by viewing photographs and making a conclusion based on that photo would be difficult because a .22 Cal. round very seldom exits the body, but the damaged done inside the body could be horrific, I have seen instances where the bullet hole could not be found without an full examination because of the size of the wound and the location, I have never met or heard of any medical examiner making a conclusion of medical certainty as to how severe a wound is by just looking at a photo. On another note , not all Town Watch programs are in the NSA directory, their directory only includes those town watch groups that are sanctioned by the respective Sheriff's Office, a major City or separate Police Dept. would not register their program with the local sheriff's office. George did testify , by video interviews given by him to the police and to Sean Hanitty but the prosecution decided to present those tapes to the jury as part of it's case in chief so therefore they could not cross-examine him, a dumb move on their part, your suggestion that George was just a cop wannbe looking to become a hero, is nothing more than an opinion, not fact and the Jury could not consider that sceniero.
Zs injuries were so insignificant that he refused medical attention.
Zs injuries started to grow more serious when he was charged in the murder of T. Then he knew he had to put together a self defense senario or else he would go to jail for murdering a young man whose only crime was that he was a black man in a hoodie, with a soft drink and candy walking home in Zs neighborhood.
Here is an interesting quotation from the National Sheriff's Association.
"The alleged action of a “self-appointed neighborhood watchman” last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program,” stated NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.). “NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”
So there you have it....Z was acting as a vigilante.
johnnycee Wrote: If you had attended a Town Watch meeting, as I did awhile ago, you would have learned that the volunteers are instructed to report suspicious activity along with illegal activity and then call the police ,all of which George did do, he did not confront trayvon ,it was the other way around, as the jury found, George was on his way back to the his car when he was confronted by Trayvon ,who wanted to know why was George following him, whatever was said ,I don't know, but it ended up with Trayvon sucker punching George and breaking his nose. So notwithstanding the actual shooting itself, the only crime committed was by trayvon's assault on George.
What did Trayvon do that was suspicious? I have not heard any evidence of anything suspicious. He was just a black man in a hoodie walking home with a soft drink and candy.
If you listen to the tape of the 911 call you can hear Z saying..."Now he's running."
Then as you listen carefully you can hear Zs heavy breathing as he was talking to the dispatcher.
Z was breathing heavy because he was RUNNING after T.
All that story about Z going back to his car and the sucker punch are all from the defense...but not from Zs lips because he didn't testify. They were attempt to explain away the fact that Z chased and confronted T with that gun he had in his holster. He was a cop wannabe who was looking to become a hero by shooting a big bad black man.
The testimony by the medical examiner was that Zs injuries were INSIGNIFICANT.
Did Jesus Rise From the DEAD?
Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence.
What is the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus? An empty tomb story and questionable post mortem occurrences?
If a body is missing from a tomb, do we assume that the corpse has resurrected? Or do we try and discover who moved the corpse?
There are many possible explanations of why the corpse was moved. Ask me if you can't think of any. But Matthew's gospel appears to close the "loophole" with the guards on the tomb. But the guards on the tomb story is most certainly fiction. We have four gospel writers telling the same tale and yet only Matthew mentions guards. The guards are so important to the tale, that if it were true the other gospel writers would most certainly have mentioned the guards.
But Matthew didn't close the loophole tight enough with his guards on the tomb fiction.
Matthew 27:62-66 (New American Standard Bible)
62Now on the next day, [day in the Greek means daylight hours] the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate,
63and said, "Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I am to rise again.'
64"Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception will be worse than the first."
65Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go, make it as secure as you know how."
66And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone.
So you see that Jesus' corpse was placed in the tomb, and the NEXT DAY, during daylight hours, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and requested a guard be placed on the tomb. THE FIRST NIGHT THE CORPSE WAS IN THE TOMB THE TOMB WAS UNGUARDED. Anyone could have opened the tomb, removed the corpse, and closed the tomb to conceal the fact that the tomb was now empty.
So the empty tomb story proves nothing.
But what about those that saw Jesus post mortem?
We have Mary Magdalene.
Mark 16:9 (New American Standard Bible)
9Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. [See also Luke 8:2]
I would expect that any woman with seven demons would be considered a crazy woman mentally ill in today's world. Jesus may have calmed her down so she appeared normal.[cured] But most likely the shock of Jesus' sudden death and the loss of his soothing words may have pushed her back into a state of delusion. In any event she was not a competent witness.
But what about those 500 brethren who all saw Jesus at the same time post mortem according to Paul? This fiction is ridiculous. Did someone rent out a "Hall," and invite 500 brethren to all come at the same time to see Jesus? I am certain that this is Paul's fiction since Jesus only had 120 followers in the upper room on Pentecost when they all received the Holy Spirit.
What about Jesus' Apostles?
Matthew 28:16-17 (New American Standard Bible)
16But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated.
17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
This is an amazing Scripture passage. Here we have 11 men who lived with Jesus several years, they see Jesus post mortem and some of them have doubt?
I have my own theory of how the Jesus resurrection story started with the Apostles. Many were fishermen, probably others were laborers of some kind. Fishing in those days was hard work. But when they traveled with Jesus they got used to the soft life. They preached, and passed around the baskets, and didn't have to row boats and pull nets out of the sea.
After Jesus died they went back to their old hard life.
John 21:3 (New American Standard Bible)
3Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We will also come with you." They went out and got into the boat; and that night they caught nothing.
They fish, they catch nothing, but then one disciple thinks he sees Jesus on the shore.
John 21:7 (New American Standard Bible)
7Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." So when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put his outer garment on (for he was stripped for work), and threw himself into the sea.
Notice that Peter does not recognize Jesus. He "heard that it was the Lord." It is just some stranger on the shore, but at that moment Peter realizes that if Jesus were alive they could all go back to the soft evangelists life and to Hell with the hard fisherman's life.
It is interesting that post mortem, Jesus only shows himself to his own followers. He promised the high Priest and his entourage that they would see him. [Mark 14:62] But they never did.
Jesus promised his evil and adulterous generation that they would see him post mortem, [Matthew 12:39-40] but they never did.
If the Scientologists claimed that L Ron Hubbard resurrected, came to their conference, and then went to Heaven, would you believe them? So how can we believe a story when only Jesus' followers are the witnesses?
We have an extraordinary claim that Jesus rose from the dead, but the evidence for the claim is very poor.
The duties of a neighborhood watch is to observe and report illegal activity to the police. It is not their duty to intervene and confront criminals in their neighborhood.
If Zimmerman were doing his job as a neighborhood watchman he should have observed that Trayvon was not doing anything illegal and there should have been no reason to report anything to the police nor any reason to chase and confront Trayvon.
But IMO Zimmerman was influenced by watching too many world war II movies where the gestapo agents chase down and confront people on the street and demand to see their papers because they just might be enemy agents.
Of course the gestapo agents are armed and prepared to use deadly force if the person chased does not fully comply.
johnnycee Wrote: Although he paid an extreme price, his life, did not Trevon commit a crime by assaulting George first?.
Did anyone ever follow you home on a dark rainy night when the streets are deserted? Maybe as you sped up and ran they ran after you? How would you characterize this threatening behavior by the man following you?
johnnycee Wrote: I have not said that George was not in the wrong ,I said that the State of Fla. couldn't make their case because there was no case to be made, this whole mess was brought about by political pressure and the pressure also brought by the minority groups, some of these groups believe that if you don't like a black person, that automaticly makes you a racist, the idea of justice was nowhere to be find in the prosecution of this case.
Somehow this case has gotten completely turned upside down.
The facts are that Zimmerman followed Trayvon.....he chased him.....he caught up with Trayvon and killed him.
If Zimmerman wants to claim self defense why didn't he prove it? Why didn't he testify under oath to tell us what happened? But Zimmerman said not a word of testimony. He killed Trayvon and never explained why it was self defense with actual testimony under oath. No proof of self defense was offered by Zimmerman. All the jury got was hearsay from witnesses who were not eye witnesses.
But this was about race....why did Zimmerman chase Trayvon? Did he chase after everyone who might be walking through his neighborhood? Or did he only pick on Trayvon because he was a black man wearing a hoodie?
johnnycee Wrote: Number one George did chase anyone, number two trayvon caught up to George as he walking back to car and asked a question and then sucker punched George breaking his nose and knocking him down, and I don't know where you get the notion that George wanted a confrontation with Trayvon. The facts speak for themselves and not just what one wants to hear or believe
Did you hear this testimony from George Zimmerman? I know you didn't because he didn't testify in court under oath.
So where did these supposed facts come from? Was it Hearsay testimony fom someone who DID NOT WITNESS these events?
Too bad Trayvon can't tell us what really happened.
Many Middle class people see the Democratic Party as the party of African Americans, Gays, Atheists, and those favoring abortion. They are afraid of African Americans, abhor Homosexuals, go to church at Christmas and Easter, and are against promiscuous sex and abortion.
The Tea Party crowd say they want to take their country back.
Yes...they want to take the country back to 1958 when the blacks were hidden in their gettos, the gays were in the closet, the Atheist Critics were silent, abortion was illegal, and the birth control pill which started the sexual revoluton had not yet been invented.