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  • Dec 31, 2012 12:07 AM
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    pr Wrote: They hate America not because they are Republicans but rather Conservatives. Conservatives are afraid of life, in general. Conservatives are mostly gun nuts, religious nut cases, narrow, closed minded individuals who HATE change of any kind. They only read and believe that which reinforces their values and mostly mistaken ideals.

    conservatives are born that way and, unfortunately, incapable of change, unlike Liberals who are open minded, fair, inquisitive and most important, capable of changing and/or modifying their opinions based on facts.

    i highly suggest reading The Republican Brain


    http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Brain-Science-Science-Reality/dp/1118094514
    I reckon that is what they are in your OPINION. In REALITY they are just regular people like you and I only they have a different view than we do.Labeling them as all the same and criticizing them for having a DIFFERENT views than you or I do does not help change Anything.Try writing what you think needs to be done in our country to rectify some of the pressing issues at hand. I will assure you that IDEAs not insults will be a much more productive way of convincing others that your opinions would do BETTER!By the way just so there is no mistake I am definitely NOT a conservative.RADICAL would probably best describe my OPINIONS!
  • Jan 03, 2013 05:09 PM
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    michaels39301 Wrote: Someone, even some mental-case pervert, needs to kidnap or assault this poor excuse for a human being and scare the daylights out of her, maybe even enough to convince her to withdraw from her legislative office. That would be one of the nicest New Years present I could imagine.
    And to think here all of this time I thought the unfettered right to have your own OPINION was what made America GREAT.How about stop criticizing others for having a different opinion YOU and start writing what some of the solutions you think will work down!!!That might be a lot more PRODUCTIVE.
  • Jan 03, 2013 05:09 PM
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    WovenGems Wrote: The teaparty only knows how to play the stupid card. And since their whole deck is on the table one has to wonder if you truely can't fix stupid.
    If you would stop worring about what all of the STUPID people are doing and start talkin about a reasonable solutions that evryone could live with you might actualy start to make a difference.What is the one most important thing you think this NATION needs to have our officials work to CHANGE?? write it down and Mail it to your Congress.Then go out and share it everyday with your fellow CITIZENs.That is what I do.
  • Jan 03, 2013 05:09 PM
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    If we as citizens stay vigulant and get oyt and HOUND the lazy TV watchin nonvoters to do there part,and keep a DEMOCRATIC Senate it won't happen.If you are so worried about it don't just say it here go out and tell those who you know to send a message to Congress that we want a BILL Killing not only THEIR HEALTH CARE but also to end a few other of their bennys such as huge pensions,the right to take unspent LOBBYIST campaign money with them when they leave office and huge salaries while they represent us.If that doesn't shut them up lets start talking WORK STIKE!But the COWARDS of this Nation will never do any thing like that so enjoy the ride down.It will be QUICK!
  • Jan 02, 2013 10:19 AM
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: Today's Boston Globe carries a piece on the Op Ed page titled - Deadly Savings. It revisits the stories about the numerous fires that have been occuring regularly in countries where American corporations are recreating the sweat shops such as the ones they operated in the U.S. a hundred years ago. The latest tragedy took place this past November when 112 garment workers were killed in a blaze in Dahka, Bangladesh. Just two m months earlier 25 workers were killed in Sivakasi, India A week later 283 workers died in two separate fires in Pakistan .....258 in a garment factory in Karachi and 25 in a shoe factory in Lahore. Two years earlier 29 people were killed in a similar fire in Dahka while manufacturing Gap products.The latest fire in November has made international headlines because the factory made clothing for Walmart. American companies typically use sub contractors to organize and operate these fire traps. This allows them to claim that they are not reponsible for the inhuman condidtions that exist. Walmart fired the sub contractor of the Dahka operation. But at a 2011 meeting to find ways to imporve safety at Bangladesh garment factories, accoring to Bloomberg News, Walmart and Gap officials told attendees they were not willing to participate in paying for the electrical and fire safety of the 4,500 garment factories in the country. It is estimated that the safety upgrades would add just ten cents to the price of a garment. Evidently the workers are not worth the cost especially since there are millions more ready to take their places once the smoke from the next fire disappears. And what about us- the consumers ? How much misery and death must be sewn into a garment in order for us to puirchase it for a few dolllars less than if it was produced under humane condidtions ?
    If everyone started refusing to buy things that did not say they were born in the USA,especilly if it is Chinese or any other such country it would soon stop.Do like I do either get it from America or reputable country or by it second hand ,the problem would soon cure itself.I do not think you will get most beer guzzelin,pot smokin,Three sandwich eating BON BON lovin WALMART SHOPPERs to do that,so buckle up and get ready for the RIDE.The Bottom will come FAST.
  • Jan 02, 2013 10:19 AM
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    Corporations are not the problem. The one big flaw in society is. Capitalism without limits fueled by human greed is the problem.Stop allowing people to continue to gain wealth after they have over double what they could spend in a life time and tie up resources that future generations need to survive and the problem will soon solve itself.I mean what good will it do to continue to cheat others in the world out of their due if they won't get to keep the profit from it?
  • Jan 02, 2013 10:19 AM
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: Today's Boston Globe carries a piece on the Op Ed page titled - Deadly Savings. It revisits the stories about the numerous fires that have been occuring regularly in countries where American corporations are recreating the sweat shops such as the ones they operated in the U.S. a hundred years ago. The latest tragedy took place this past November when 112 garment workers were killed in a blaze in Dahka, Bangladesh. Just two m months earlier 25 workers were killed in Sivakasi, India A week later 283 workers died in two separate fires in Pakistan .....258 in a garment factory in Karachi and 25 in a shoe factory in Lahore. Two years earlier 29 people were killed in a similar fire in Dahka while manufacturing Gap products.The latest fire in November has made international headlines because the factory made clothing for Walmart. American companies typically use sub contractors to organize and operate these fire traps. This allows them to claim that they are not reponsible for the inhuman condidtions that exist. Walmart fired the sub contractor of the Dahka operation. But at a 2011 meeting to find ways to imporve safety at Bangladesh garment factories, accoring to Bloomberg News, Walmart and Gap officials told attendees they were not willing to participate in paying for the electrical and fire safety of the 4,500 garment factories in the country. It is estimated that the safety upgrades would add just ten cents to the price of a garment. Evidently the workers are not worth the cost especially since there are millions more ready to take their places once the smoke from the next fire disappears. And what about us- the consumers ? How much misery and death must be sewn into a garment in order for us to puirchase it for a few dolllars less than if it was produced under humane condidtions ?
    It is not the corrporations that are the problem.They are only the result of human greed and a terrible flaw in our society.Capitalism without LIIMIT's after you have all of the money you could possibly spend in five life times why should you be granted the right to tie up resources future generations need to survive???
  • Jan 03, 2013 12:15 PM
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    Bill Wiltrack Wrote: .




    Thank you to the mind-numbing phoney conservatives. Thank you for eating shit and thinking that it's steak. - Then asking for more.

    Thank you for the 30+ years of TOTALLY fucked-up, upside-down thinking.


    Thank you Capitalism. The Most FUCKED-UP political philosophy in the history of modern man! = Conservatism.




    Check your Yahoo page for this complete article:

    Though America may be the "land of opportunity," Switzerland will be the best place to be born in 2013 according to a quality-of-life index from the Economist Intelligence Unit.

    The EIU, a sister company to The Economist magazine, determines quality of life based on surveys of the population covering 11 factors including wealth, crime, family life, trust in government and the stability of the economy.

    Income estimates for babies born in 2013 are based on projections for the year 2030, when those children will come of age.

    The top ten best places to be born in 2013:
    1. Switzerland
    2. Australia
    3. Norway
    4. Sweden
    5. Denmark
    6. Singapore
    7. New Zealand
    8. Netherlands
    9. Canada
    10. Hong Kong


    With its small but very stable economy, Switzerland comes in first, wealthy, healthy and trusting of its public institutions. The United States, "where babies will inherit the large debts of the boomer generation, languishes back in 16th place," the EIU explains. Feeling the effects of the European monetary crisis, "the largest European economies, France (26), Germany (tied with the U.S. for 16) and Britain (27), don't do particularly well."

    The quality-of-life index also reflects changes in the Middle East and North Africa, where "life expectancy continues to increase steadily and political freedoms have spread across the globe," though Nigeria comes in as the worst place for a baby to be born in 2013.

    Other interesting ratings include China, coming in at 49, and Russia, coming in at 72.

    Back in 1988, the United States was in first place, with France in second, and West Germany in third. Zimbabwe was last, with Iraq second to last and Iran third to last.

    All said, the takeaway from the index seems to be that in today's world, a country's stability and trust in public institutions results in the best quality of life for its citizens.



    My thesis for this thread: Conservatism is THE WORST POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY in the history of man.




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    No it is NOT.I do believe that Capitalism without LIMITs is probably the BIGGEST MISTAKE our for father made.However the only thing that is news any more is the HISTORY we do not know yet.
  • Aug 03, 2010 06:19 PM
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    LLBarry Wrote: Let's face it, intelligent design and evolution do not go hand in hand. The mere existance of science talking about evolution is one of the strongest threats to religion in existence.

    While I honestly believe that people should be given all information and allowed to form opinions and learn on their own. I don't believe children should be taught everything. If one were to teach both evolution and intelligent design to students, it will 1) be forcing certain religious beliefs on children, 2) depending on what age they start teaching both of them, learning the two combined will be incredibly confusing.

    Therefore, only one should be taught in school and if parent's don't agree with the final outcome, well they will just have to be responsible adults and teach their kids the one they feel they should learn.

    Now, I firmly believe that evolution is the proper choice to be taught in schools. Evolution has more scientific background and without it many of the more advanced ideas that our children must learn will be lost or left til much later in life. For example: Plants are created before sunlight is created in the bible, which means that a biblical approach to science must challenge the idea of photosynthesis. In addition, Stars are created prior to the sun and moon in the bible, which means that a biblical approach to science must challenge our working cosmological model. This is just two example where the two clash and could possibly affect more advanced classes.

    Finally, our own consitution calls for a seperation of church and state. Thus teaching intelligent design crosses that line. Public school are considered part of the state.

    What do you think?
    I think you are corect.Until we take superstition out of our eduction system and only trach the facts allowing as you say responsable adualts to interject their own take on what ussualy does not work thenwe are all quite literally heade to the hot place.I for one do not understand man odsessive need to blame unsubstanciated and unprovin beliefs that some other power greater than ourselves is the cause for this whole mess.When and just how they begin to understand that science has proven BEYOND a shadow of a doubt that we,the earth and the universe are the result of RANDOM accidental events then we will continue down this destructive path that homsapians are on now.Pleas excuse my spelling I am tired .Please feel free to contact me.Maybe if we all get together on one or two issues and make our officials comply we can show the nation and the rest of the world that science and LOGIC will take the human race further than any religion or superstition ever could/
  • Dec 31, 2012 12:07 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote: Eternal flame --

    Thanks...you have shared your knowledge of the John Birch Society on several occasions in this website. Those posts have prompted me to do research on the JBS mostly to evaluate how closely their current efforts are aligned with the Tea Party. For the benefit of those that haven't followed the discussions, I'll pick away a bit more on the subject using material extracted directly from the JBS website and its various affiliates. I do have one observation/question which I'll pose at the end of this post.

    John Birch Society

    This link takes you to the home page of the John Birch Society. You can browse the various titles and listen to Art Thompson give his views of current issues and events. As an example, click on what Thompson has to say about the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting. His views are even more extreme than that of the NRA's Wayne LaPierre. Here's a few extracts:

    Crisis to Gun Control: A Look at the Sandy Hook Massacre

    "...the forces that wish to use this are using this crisis as a means to react to people into more and more onerous laws that in the long run will mean even more deaths...and this time from a totalitarian government." Thompson call our president "effeminate" and accuses him of interjecting himself into this tragedy with an "agenda to disarm the American people." He also talks about Obama's "czars" and "open communists" that have resigned from the Obama government. The link to that interview covers all this hate rhetoric if you can tolerate listening:

    That is just one of many videos at the website. There are others that cover euthanasia, the United Nations, voter fraud, and much more...all with a very anti-government point of view, not unlike that of the Tea Party.

    Click on the Issues tab and it'll get you to a whole new subset of topics from education to conspiracy to health care...each with an anti-Obama agenda to the extreme. I browsed several...the short videos and the articles. My opinion is that much of it is exactly Tea Party rhetoric.

    Under the News - Legislation tab, you'll find an article that asks state legislatures to keep pressing for nullification of ObamaCare...."Repeal, Nullify, and Defund are all three important tools for stopping ObamaCare."

    Next click on Voter Index and you will get something called the Freedom Index: A Congressional Scorecard Based on the U.S. Constitution. Go to any of the monthly tabs and you'll get to download a pdf file that attaches a score to every member of Congress based on their voting record. What do they use this for? It's a guide to which candidates to back and which candidates to oppose...I suppose for those with the financial means...Koch brothers.

    I actually looked for a Tea Party sponsored website that would score the national candidates for office but couldn't find one. They don't need one because the JBS Voter Index site does the job.

    Okay, there's much more if you care to browse. The Leadership tab gets you to a page of photos of old white men in the JBS National Council...names like Nelson Bunker Hunt. Click on any of them to see their affiliations.

    The CEO is Arthur Thompson. His bio states that he served on the local City Council, as chairman of his local Chamber of Commerce, as an official and an elector for the Republican Party, and as a local leader in the state of Washington for the Christian Coalition.

    John McManus is president. He is a regular contributor of articles to the JBS's online magazine, The New American, and serves as its publisher as well as the Society’s member-only monthly Bulletin.

    Clark L. Curry is the chairman of the board. He has actively worked with state legislators the past thirty years on such issues as opposing the Equal Rights Amendment and opposing a Constitution Convention. He is a church elder and they actively support a Christian school and several ministries.

    Go to the tab, Frequently Asked Questions, and you'll find a question about the Tea Party. Here is what the JBS says:

    "As mentioned earlier, The John Birch Society is not a political organization but rather educational. JBS President John F. McManus has spoken at various Tea Party rallies as well as at meetings of many other conservative organizations. The John Birch Society has been around for far longer, warning and educating regarding many of the same problems that Tea Party activists are now focused on. For over 50 years, since 1958, The John Birch Society has distributed an estimated total of well over 250 million pieces of literature ranging from warning about increased government spending, taxes, centrally planned inflation, the centralization of power in the government, and the gradual appeasement toward Communism to other topics heralding the virtues of sound money, withdrawing from the United Nations, and a foreign policy of non-interventionism."

    Okay...on the topic of education take a look at this website:

    American Opinion Foundation

    The board of directors are all JBS officers. What does the American Opinion Foundation do? They educate (or indoctrinate) people from the kindergarten level through high school on the JBS agenda. Click on the upper tab "school" and it'll get you to a website called Freedom Project Education.

    I browsed Freedom Project Education website including the textbooks that they are using. I noted a heavy dosage of the bible and creationism in all aspects of science teachings in all grades from kindergarten onwards. I didn't remember that the JBS had such a strong connection to creationism in its teachings...maybe that's a newer development. However, JBS National Council member Nelson Bunker Hunt, for example, is also past Chairman of the Board of the Bible Society of Texas and the past Chairman of, and significant contributor to Campus Crusade for Christ International's "Here's Life" Campaign (1976–80),[12][13] as well as providing a $3.5 million loan guarantee for the 1979 Campus Crusade film Jesus.

    JBS Chairman Clark Curry is responsible for the publications ministry of Right Division, Inc. That website states that "The Corporation is organized and operates exclusively for educational purposes. It’s primary focus is to promote Christ Jesus, Christian Doctrine, and the proper interpretation of the Holy Scriptures." He also serves on the board of trustees of an organization called the Christian Heritage Academy, another school to teach the young.

    There is much more to learn about the John Birch Society today by just browing their website, going to their links, and reading about their members. When I look at their education philosophy (anti-public schools...pro home schooling...biblical teachings) I am reminded of Tea Party politicians that advocate for home schooling to avoid the "socialist, liberal propaganda" of public education.

    Dick Armey's Freedom Works and Karl Rove's Americans for Prosperity are the two front groups for the Tea Party/John Birch Society in the Last election. But neither group on the surface seems to have a strong Christian evangelical agenda. In other words, they don't stick the words "God" or "God given right" in their purpose statements.

    There is no question in my mind that the John Birch Society and the Tea Party are essentially the same organization in terms of purpose and funding. However, I do wonder about the apparent JBS shift towards a more Christian evangelical agenda with their top officials having significant roles or positions in Christian organizations as compared to their traditional role and brand of anti-socialism, anti-communism, anti-liberalism, anti-union, etc. Much of the JBS focus in articles, videos and education now seem to be very heavy into the evangelical agenda. Is this necessary to augment JBS membership? Of course the Tea Party has always been heavy with Christian evangelicals, and this could just be a product of their marriage.

    Just saying...
    All Good and well and nothing at the same time until people who are educated as you seem to be start getting BOLD enought oacually start an orginization that the laymen can understand that calls upon our officials to do as the majority of this Nation want.Not what they as elected officials decide is best.At the beging of this great Nation that was their JOB,to represent the MAJORITY.They need to be reminded of this however most of us are just standing around talkng about it rather than truly orginizing.We could start an organization that called for the Majority to decide on one or to MAJOR issues and then set fourth as Gandhi did or as the Turkish people have and just stick together until our officials do it.Does not need violence only SOLIDARITY