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  • Jun 25, 2014 01:49 PM
    Last: 6yr
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    Where are all the jobs? We hear pols constantly bemoaning the lack of "job creation" and then proceeding to raise money off this issue. And both sides of the aisle are equally guilty of this. Maybe a discussion of "where they went" is in order.

    When I grew up, the fact was...there were more jobs than there were people to fill them. Oh, not everywhere,no, but if the area you lived in was beset by recession or the like,it was very possible to move to a different part of the country and find work. Lots of industries were hiring in those days. It was possible,even likely, that one could land a job with the auto makers. Not your cup of tea? Not to worry. Myriad and assorted factories dotted our landscape,most were hiring. (Please keep in mind that these statements are macro,not micro in nature). Railroads hired. And so on and so forth. And these are the jobs that built our middle class, and sustained it for decades and decades.Blue collar,sure. Hot,hard work. Without a doubt.

    Then came NAFTA, complete with Ross Perot and his famous charts. But my contention is that there is a more subtle factor at work here, and it bodes us ill.

    I was watching the History Channel(anybody out there remember when the History Channel did HISTORY?? But I digress) the other day, one of their Modern Marvels episodes. This one was on the Blue Bunny ice cream factory, Minnesota,I think, but it's not important. This is a worldwide issue. They were interviewing the factory foreman, who was proudly showing off their robot that works the frozen part of the factory,and he commented,proudly again,that this machine replaced 30 workers.Multipily that by about 750,000 or so factories.....and you start to see what we are getting to here. I really don't feel like re-typing that last line, so please go back and re-read it.I'll wait. Thank you.

    No one is arguing that a ton of our jobs have gone south,north, east and west. No one is belaboring that point. But here is one that doesn't get a lot of attention. We have outsourced a bunch of our jobs, not to China...but to machines. Good or bad? Thats what I would like to see us discuss here, if you wish.

    It has been honestly stated that "just because you have the ability to INSTANTLY respond to any and all queries...doesn't necessarily mean its a good idea to do so". Can we also say that about technology? That just because we have the ability to get rid of thousands upon thousands of our workers,employing machines in their places,is it a good idea,long term? I don't know the answer to that.

    We now find ourselves in a position which may actually be permanent. That is: more people than there are jobs. And here is where the two parties split. The bright red Re-Pubs are for all practical purposes in the "let the unemployed starve" camp. Bully for them, they represent the monied class anyway. The Dems are a tad bit more sympathetic,but only by degrees.

    Again, when I grew up, the top tax rate was something like 79%. We have to go back to something like that. Also, we have to find some way to get more "bang for our buck" vis-a-vie, the tax revenues coming in. Because in THIS country, it is impossible to have a permanent underclass. Why is it impossible? Glad you asked.

    Because we are something like the third or fourth most war-like people that have ever graced this poor planet. In war we were born, and in war we grew, and in war we prospered. And we will fight what we perceive(right or not) to be tyranny. If we cannot,any way possible, find a way or ways to fix this "permanent" un and underemployment problem....it bodes ill for us. Americans are not by nature inclined to starve quietly.Especially when we see what we deem to be crooks living large off our labor. And throwing us away for a few more dollars,at the first opportunity.Then jetting off to their weekend getaway home. We just aren't.

    I have no answers. And that by itself is somewhat surprising for someone who has an opinion on just about everything. But, there are some real smart people on this site....so what I'm hoping for is to start a discussion on this topic, and see where we go.
    Thanks for reading
  • May 31, 2014 09:24 AM
    Last: 6yr
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    Dutch Wrote:
    gymrat22 Wrote: Thought I would throw a personal experience out for thought. Last year, I was moving from NC to FLA and had a small rental truck. Crossing into Florida, one is required to stop for inspection at Florida's Ag station. Imagine my surprise,when I'm "greeted" by what looks like a SWAT officer...complete with web holster,bloused boots and what we used to call jungle fatigues.M-16 in the office.

    Keep in mind,these are BUG cops! They chase fruit flies and the like. Now,no joke,that is a serious problem for a state which makes a large part of it's income off citrus.But what,I ask you, did this wanna-be Rambo expect? That the fruit flies are gonna get together and come out of the trees strapped,ready for mortal combat??

    Now don't get me wrong...there are a lot of police departments around this poor country that need everything they can get their hands on. NYC,LA,Houston,Chicago,etc. Heck, those departments probably could use full Bradleys, complete with the chain gun.But, and here is the problem. A small,emphase small,town in rural Georgia does NOT need these. They have no need for flashbangs,automatic weapons,and the like. The big cities(Atlanta,Macon,Savannah and Athens) are close enough to provide support if( not when,if) they find themselves in a shootout with the Taliban.Or other type crazies.

    And this is the problem. No government org. of any type has ever shown the ability(common sense?) to refrain from using ANYTHING they have at their disposal, just to "see if it works" Or, "this stuff sure is fun." Maybe that is a bit harsh...but these stories keep rolling around. Where thoughtful cops are pushed to the side in favor of the "lets go in like gang busters...even if no gang exists."

    One more thing. A serious drug dealer does NOT live in a trailer in rural Georgia. They live in really big,well defended homes...surrounded by security. What these national heros had...was some idiot dealing nickle and dime bags to support his own habit. That aint no drug kingpin. Sorry.

    I'm NOT saying they shouldn't have gone after him. But, he was in no danger whatsoever of fleeing the country in his private jet, never to be seen again. Why not just stake out the neighborhood,pull him over when he comes out to re-up...bust him then. Answer:that approach is nowhere near as sexy.

    Just sayin
    I live on FL; yes you got it right; It is a circus out here ( and then we tell the world on how they should live and run their country) I love the circus but not arrogant hypocrites who think they are "god".
    Sometimes Dutch and I disagree. And that is totally cool. But here,he and I see eye to eye. Florida has a problem with it's myriad and assorted "government control agencies"

    This incident happened about 6 months after my encounter with Rambo at the state line.

    I'm over by Lee, in the N. part of the state, coming back from a nursery where I had gotten a great deal on some Japanese Maple trees(beautiful little trees),and of course,here is another Ag inspection station.I pull up, and tell the "officer" that I have on some Japanese Maples,complete with certificate from a nursery about 5 miles from this place. His response? "Oh,you got them from Japan?" I can resist anything but temptation. "No" I replied,"Japanese Maples are no more from Japan,than Red Delicious apples are from the big rock candy mountain".

    What point am I trying to make here? Just this: when we have armed(by the state) people among us...is it asking too much to have them properly trained??? And, I don't know.SUPERVISED???

    You can't make stuff like this up.
  • May 08, 2014 01:50 AM
    Last: 6yr
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    johnnycee Wrote: I believe that most of the sports networks regard this day as a religious holiday. Does anyone know when this draft day event became what it is to/day?
    I don't remember the year,but it was the draft where Bill Polian and Mel Kiper,jr squared off on air over Polian's picks. Thinking around 1990...but that is just a guess.
    For a long time, drafts had all the media appeal of watching paint dry.
  • Jun 19, 2014 04:05 PM
    Last: 6yr
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: We have friends who are regular viewers of FOX "news", which I find a bit hard to understand.

    A few days ago, one of them gave the opinion that the recent surge in immigrants at our border was the fault of the Obama administration, and its failure to enforce immigration laws. Naturally, they also believe that we have "an open border" with Mexico.

    Obviously, facts actually don't matter much with the folks who like FOX, but the reality is that the Obama administration has deported more people, to date, than any Presidential administration in our country's history. So far, the total runs to close to 2,000,000 people, considerably higher than the
    number of people that were deported during Operation Wetback, which started during the Eisenhower administration.


    http://www.thenation.com/article/179099/why-has-president-obama-deported-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history#


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
    Of course its Obama's fault. It's his fault that it rained(or didn't) last week. And on and on. Fox exists for one reason and one reason only. No..not profit,surprisingly. It's to promote the right's agenda. Nothing else. So....everything that happens,at least bad stuff,is automaticly his fault.If its actually possible to feel sorry for a Pres...I feel sorry for him. He has done a great job under very trying circumstances,and gets almost zero credit. I'd like to buy him a rack of ribs and a beer. Of course,just to make him feel at home, in the vein of Fox...I would eat most of the ribs.
  • May 31, 2014 09:24 AM
    Last: 6yr
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    Thought I would throw a personal experience out for thought. Last year, I was moving from NC to FLA and had a small rental truck. Crossing into Florida, one is required to stop for inspection at Florida's Ag station. Imagine my surprise,when I'm "greeted" by what looks like a SWAT officer...complete with web holster,bloused boots and what we used to call jungle fatigues.M-16 in the office.

    Keep in mind,these are BUG cops! They chase fruit flies and the like. Now,no joke,that is a serious problem for a state which makes a large part of it's income off citrus.But what,I ask you, did this wanna-be Rambo expect? That the fruit flies are gonna get together and come out of the trees strapped,ready for mortal combat??

    Now don't get me wrong...there are a lot of police departments around this poor country that need everything they can get their hands on. NYC,LA,Houston,Chicago,etc. Heck, those departments probably could use full Bradleys, complete with the chain gun.But, and here is the problem. A small,emphase small,town in rural Georgia does NOT need these. They have no need for flashbangs,automatic weapons,and the like. The big cities(Atlanta,Macon,Savannah and Athens) are close enough to provide support if( not when,if) they find themselves in a shootout with the Taliban.Or other type crazies.

    And this is the problem. No government org. of any type has ever shown the ability(common sense?) to refrain from using ANYTHING they have at their disposal, just to "see if it works" Or, "this stuff sure is fun." Maybe that is a bit harsh...but these stories keep rolling around. Where thoughtful cops are pushed to the side in favor of the "lets go in like gang busters...even if no gang exists."

    One more thing. A serious drug dealer does NOT live in a trailer in rural Georgia. They live in really big,well defended homes...surrounded by security. What these national heros had...was some idiot dealing nickle and dime bags to support his own habit. That aint no drug kingpin. Sorry.

    I'm NOT saying they shouldn't have gone after him. But, he was in no danger whatsoever of fleeing the country in his private jet, never to be seen again. Why not just stake out the neighborhood,pull him over when he comes out to re-up...bust him then. Answer:that approach is nowhere near as sexy.

    Just sayin
  • Nov 24, 2011 02:59 AM
    Last: 6yr
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    jamesn Wrote: Close...

    It was John McKay, a great college coach (for USC) who never did make it big in the NFL.

    After another terrible loss by his terrible team, he was asked "What do you think about your teams execution?" He replied "I'm in favor of it."

    One of the all-time great sports quotes.
    No question...loved him.
  • Nov 24, 2011 02:59 AM
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    This is in the vain of humorous...but I thought I'd throw it out anyway.

    In 1977, with the Tampa Bay Bucs(NFL expansion team) mired in a franchise opening 20+ game losing streak, the head coach was asked in a post game interview(another loss) how he felt about his teams execution that day. He paused...then said "I think I'm for it"

    If anyone asks me(they won't) how I feel about congress' execution this term...I will defer to the late,great John McCay. I think that was his name...if not,i apologize. the quote is real.
  • Jun 16, 2014 04:30 AM
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    pr Wrote: You should have listen to your first thought to delete this tread. This is the most inane, nonsensical and total pile of misinformation and poor thinking by non-thinkers and followers I have ever read anywhere much less on this site! Arguing with or even questioning the beliefs of these people is fruitless as they know they are right because they are right - God told them so!
    Excuse me...but if you find this that offensive, a simple ,yet effective remedy remains open to you,sir. STOP READING IT!! Some people seem to wish to tear down discussion that doesn't fit their narrow view of "how things should be" Unfortunatly, you seem to fall in this category. So, just read other threads on here. Lots of good ones.
  • Oct 27, 2012 03:06 PM
    Last: 4yr
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    Schmidt Wrote: Every now and then someone new comes on this website like dippy and comments on a thread from the past...in this case 2012. I enjoyed reading again Guy Dwyer's posts...I agree with them. It passes the test of time. From Dwyer's original post:

    "Consequently, there is a partisan political battle dividing and polarizing Americans, and it is much like the partisan political battle that was waged between 1790 and 1800 by Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. It's really the same old basic argument between those who want their nation to be a Democratic Republic wherein all the people have equal opportunities, who are opposed by those who believe the wealthiest few are entitled to rule.""
    Hello Schmidt...long time,no "see"! From what Dwyer wrote in 2012 as we approached the run-up to the elections...sadly still holds true today. One would think that the whuppin the Re-Pubs took would at least engender a bit of relaxing,vis-a-vie: their wholehearted pursuit of a 1% government. Or failing that, at least giving lip service to a more inclusive one. Sadly...no.
    I'm not a history major,so I'm not sure on this one.....maybe it is that their has ALWAYS been deep,abiding partisan divides,dividing us.And yet,we have not only survived,but prospered!
    How do we fix this. Don't Know. No idea.Maybe a place to start would be with ourselves. Maybe. Might work. Maybe we should start trying(and failing,and trying again,etc)to be inclusive ourselves. Thats a novel idea.
    Wait, all of you say. WE ARE the inclusive side,right??? Sure,as long as the conversation is to OUR liking (much like the bright red churches in Mississippi do). Lets try to pitch a tent where EVERYBODY is REALLY welcome! Novel concept, I'll admit. But think for just one moment what THAT would look like, and exactly how powerful it would be for us to be able to roll out a machine where everybody except the elite ones, feels equally welcome.And much more important...feels equally empowered and equally allowed to cotribute to the progressive movement.Even the of us spelling challenged ones among us.
    Impossible,you say. Wrong,I say. If any group is even capable of this...its us. And the future of this country demands that we try to return to being a "stew", not a "salad". Stews prosper.Salads split into several different countries.
    Just something to think about....as you watch the ending of another GREAT C.W.S. See ya!
  • Jun 16, 2014 04:30 AM
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    A few other things I've been thinking about lately. I have said (maybe posted it on here in the last election cycle, I don't remember) for a long time now that if you have over $5 million in the bank and you vote blue...you have voted against your self-interest. And,likewise,if you have under $5 million and vote red,you have voted against yourself and your family. I know its slightly more complicated than that...but the premise holds. And that SHOULD hold. And it does...through most arguments. But not religion.
    And I will be the first to admit...a lot of "churches" make the lions share of their income off being divisive. Does that mean we should? A lot of you on here are old enough to remember a time when the churches resided in our camp. No longer.
    Good thing or bad thing? I'll let you decide that. What I'm getting at...we need to stop acting like the other side, if we wish to actually lead the country.
    Because...the last time I checked(a while back, I will admit)folks are free here,to believe(or not believe)what they wish. My contention is: all the votes count.
    Lets try being inclusive,at least give it a try. What can it hurt?