lonely bird Wrote:

TG Tarheel Wrote:

Dockadams Wrote:

I am pissed off and actively looking for somewhere else to live. This place sucks. Kenosha sucks.

Well....as a native Chicagoan by birth who is used to banging on Wisconsin...I won't argue that with ya. :-)

But in all seriousness...I THOUGHT Southeastern Wisconsin....was more liberal than this?? For real...what am I missing?

I THOUGHT...that if you drop a 45 degree angle line southwest from Milwaukee to the Illinois line, thus incorporating Madison...that whole area thus defined was actually pretty damned liberal!

I dunno...you still have one of the best Senators in the country in Tammy Baldwin there.

I think the problem here with the cops is the language of "defund the police." NOBODY is saying they should lose all funding...just the extra funding that allows them to buy all those deadly toys they then turn on the citizenry. At the same time, it also says...take way from police responsibility...thing they are not trained for...and use the money savings to hire people who ARE trained to deal with those situations, e.g mental health crises, domestic disputes, etc. And leave police to uphold the actual law.

Police are good enforcers. They aren't good peacekeepers.

Police are good enforcers? What does that mean? Police are poorly trained in the aggregate. People in service jobs are required to have many more hours of training and must keep up their licenses with periodic education.

Ask yourself why is it that so many so-called traffic stops (read: revenue stream) end in violence. Ask yourself what the history of the concept of policing is. Who are the power holders? What is their motivation in regards to directing the police? Why did police have the so-called silent wall? What are the motivations for an individual becoming a policeman?

Btw, don’t let being exhausted keep you away. I appreciate your being here.

My point is police are SUPPOSED to enforce the law, so presumably, they are trained to do that.

They are NOT trained to do about everything else we ask them to do.

I never said I agreed with some of their tactics...or some of the motivations behind certain kinds of enforcement.

But we ask them to deal with situations they are NOT trained to handle, and that also takes away from the enforcement mission, too. We need to train them to uphold the law only...and do it in a way that does not harm or alienate the public they are supposed to serve and protect. Let trained professionals deal with mental-health crises and domestic disputes.

Dockadams Wrote:

For TG, yes, what you say is true, SE cheddarland used to be very, or highly liberal, but ever since Scott Walker and the other jerk got the taste of blood for democrat's heads, SE Wisconsin has turned into a very conservative or hard right area.

I'm just so, so sick of it, that's why I'm actively looking for a place to go. Perhaps off the grid back to New Mexico? We spent 5 years there and never experienced hard right morons there. Every-other person you met was of Mexican descent, half spoke Spanish or broken English, and almost none liked republicans. Here's some pics I took when we lived out there.

flickr.com/photos/66673048@N06

I'm looking for a travel trailer every day now.

When I last moved, in 2014...I was torn between North Carolina....and New Mexico. Specifically, I had planned to move to Albuquerque.

But mom wanted to be closer to her son (the brother that, to me, is dead...and for good reasons I won't divulge here) so we ended up in North Carolina.

Then the silly bastard went and moved to Texas.

Not sorry I came here...it's been interesting and a very fertile ground for the sort of fight I have basically thrived on for twenty five years...but I am FINALLY getting exhausted.

Dockadams Wrote:

I am pissed off and actively looking for somewhere else to live. This place sucks. Kenosha sucks.

Well....as a native Chicagoan by birth who is used to banging on Wisconsin...I won't argue that with ya. :-)

But in all seriousness...I THOUGHT Southeastern Wisconsin....was more liberal than this?? For real...what am I missing?

I THOUGHT...that if you drop a 45 degree angle line southwest from Milwaukee to the Illinois line, thus incorporating Madison...that whole area thus defined was actually pretty damned liberal!

I dunno...you still have one of the best Senators in the country in Tammy Baldwin there.

I think the problem here with the cops is the language of "defund the police." NOBODY is saying they should lose all funding...just the extra funding that allows them to buy all those deadly toys they then turn on the citizenry. At the same time, it also says...take way from police responsibility...thing they are not trained for...and use the money savings to hire people who ARE trained to deal with those situations, e.g mental health crises, domestic disputes, etc. And leave police to uphold the actual law.

Police are good enforcers. They aren't good peacekeepers.

Dutch Wrote:

TG sorry, but it does matter; as history will tell you that an "crash" on the stock market has huge consequences for ALL people. Would you like to stand in line for hours to get an cold bowl of soup? Yes my parents and myself knew what famine is; they had the crash of 1933 and I as a kid was on food stamps just after WWII. Keeping Trump will just about guarantee that similar times are on the horizon, if you look at global warming and diseases, which causes lots of "migrants" and lost food supplies and famine, let alone not having jobs or any income. Especially nowadays with international connections/trade etc. which countries could be dependent on. The world picture is drastically changing, but not for the better.

I've always learned to look at the "combination" of all things in "one package"; everything is connected. I've noticed here that they don't learn to see an "whole picture" and have the "blinders" on and only concentrate on one thing at the time. Our government is just about the same; they "jump" all over the place but seldom get the "whole world picture" at any moment which may affect this country.

The point I was trying to make...is that when things go good on Wall Street....that does NOT seem to translate to things going well on Main Street. There was a time when it did. That time is gone.

Dutch Wrote:

TG, yes you are getting the picture; indeed if Trump gets re-elected as well is able to get another Trump "loyalist" in the Supreme Court, then people like you (and me) can forget it here. In this case also our "international relations" will be shredded and only Israel will be their buddy in crimes. They already started again to threaten Iran an lot more, so that also may become an new "war" etc. etc. So looking at the future of this country, it looks bleak. If Biden "wins" then even forget an Obama era like "that you can relax", because the "left overs" of the Trump "cult" will keep stirring the pot, especially related to Supreme Court actions, if Trump did manage to get someone elected before the "elections" took place.

Sorry to be so negative, but there are tough times ahead, even for the stock market etc.

Truthfully, I could not give a ripe FUCK about the Stock Market.

There's a lot of issues I care about...even issues I care about that do not impact me. But the Stock Market is not one of them.

The Stock Market is no longer an indication of a good economy...how well the average Jane or Joe Sixpack is doing...but only an indication of how well the assholigarchs are doing.

I care what happens on Main Street. I could give a rat's ASS what happens on Wall Street.

Dutch Wrote: TG, I saw on TV that the LGBT society indeed is loosing an great supporter; I can fully understand your feelings; at least they don't have the craziness such as here in Europe; my daughter has no worries , like the people here. As long as things here are driven by the churches and idiots, I give it little hope that things here change for the better , unless Trump and his horrible cronies like McConnell/Barr gets thrown out and including of course himself.

I know. There's times I wish I could be in Europe, because they treat their LGBTQ better.

Dutch Wrote: Again Obama had an beautiful eulogy right early and to the point,well said. Of course no sound from Trump and his "mafia" mob. How far can an country sink?

Trump said something to the effect of "She was an amazing woman, whether you liked her or not" - which was code for, I didn't like her, I am glad she is dead, and I am being forced to say what I said instead of what I really think.

Oh, my God. As if 2020 wasn't already bad enough...enough the year from hell...now Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died...just as the Republicans hoped for.

There is NO WAY Trump will not try to ram through another Supreme Court Justice to screw this country for the next fifty years. My one chance - as a transgender woman - for equality, and fair treatment under the law...just died. America just died. Freedom just died.

Trump will try to ram another appointee...never mind all the bullshit talk about when Obama was in his last year, and Merrick Garland...we can argue that forever and they will equivocate...and find a way to ram through a horrible, hateful monster.

Sens. Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski, and Collins have gone on record saying they will not act on any appointee before January. I do not believe this...not for second. And even so...they could still move before Jan 20...even if Trump loses. We are screwed....screwed....screwed.

United States: Born July 4, 1776 - Died September 18, 2020

RIP, RBG.

I am hurting to the very core of my soul tonight. She was the one thing that stood in the way of utter hell.

Dockadams Wrote:

It's true Schmidt, she said 80%. I wonder if she was referring to republicans, or the population in general in my area. If she was referring to the latter, it just shows by her statement how out of touch she really is. But this should not shock or surprise anyone because the entire republican party along with their constituents are out of touch. She's also the one who turned her back during the common council meeting which was supposed to address citizens' concerns about policing in Kenosha County.

BTW, she and her husband are local business owners, I found out yesterday that I had taken my truck to their shop for service about a month ago, on the door was a sign mandating all patrons must wear masks, I did, but noticed that the employees, possibly her husband who runs the joint were not. So they are hypocrites for sure. Had I known at that time who the business owners were, I would not have gone there. I also found a web page somewhere where she touts she is for taking away military type equipment owned by local police departments, I find that very hard to believe.

Sounds to my ears like the sort of politician who says what is politically expedient and correct...even if they do not believe it or support it...and do not follow it themselves. Sorta like Lindsey Graham. For that matter, I place both of my Senators, Thom Tillis and Richard Burr in that same category.

Dutch Wrote:

I guess you don't get it. In the military you are "indoctrinated" all the way which remains stuck in their heads, because you have to be obedient and are dictated what to do. ( The police should "think" for themselves in any situation instead of being dictated). If you are one of the subdued "ants" who are ordered to kill people who you never met or know, just because an "dictator" says so, that will stick in their heads. I have no dismay related to veterans themselves; but they never should be hired by the police. I do dismay the "leaders" who sent them to our useless wars. At least with Vietnam the people arose and demonstrated against our war mongers; none of the wars fought by this country since WWII improved anything on this globe or this country. Fighting "wars" is not an job for the "police" here; the training and indoctrination in the army is absolutely not suited for any police force, it is an total other animal.

I guess you don't get the picture. Like I said the "mentality" in the army is not suited for the "mentality" as it should be for the "police". I was once stopped by the "police" here; the guy was an typical army trained "bully" without any manners. In Europe they say at at least : Hi, how are you doing today with an smile. But yeah they will never learn in this country. Just watch your TV and see how the people here are treated by these ex-military bully's; they rather kill you than write an ticket.

By the way my neighbor was an policeman; had these discussions with him; if the "leadership" in the police is also ex-army,then you can guess what goes wrong. Amen

Oh this is so much bullshit.
Look, I am transgender, as you know...and as such, I, too, have reason to fear that the police may not treat me fairly.

I have never, here in North Carolina...had one negative encounter with a police officer...be it Raleigh, Wake County, Wendell or Knightdale (never had any encounter with Zebulon) - even the encounter in Knightdale...was for a well-deserved speeding ticket. And the officer was courteous, professional and fair.

JUST BECAUSE someone was in the armed services...it does not disqualify them from police careers later....anyone could be trained. Obviously, you weed out the ones with personality problems not conducive to policing...but to make a broad statement that nobody who was in the armed services can make a decent, fair police officer...is a bridge I will not cross with you.