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  • Jan 22, 2020 06:39 AM
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    I think a lot of repetitiveness is intentional because most people are not watching it from start to finish, most are watching parts of it, or just getting the highlights on the news, thus a lot of repetitiveness is eliminated.

    When it comes to the Republicans turn on Saturday it will be interesting to see how they spin the whole thing. As far as I can determine, there are no facts that Trump was not attempting to bully Ukraine into doing his dirty work. Maybe Trump's lawyers can show how many people stopped Trump from going too far.

    Overall, everybody minds are already decided, so what we are seeing has no real impact on the Senate Trial. There maybe long term impacts and harsh historical judgements about Trump and the Republican party. I truly believe the impeachment charges could be anything, and the outcome would be the same. For example, Trump could have contacted Ukraine asking them to assassinate Joe Bidden, and everything would have played out nearly identical to the current charges. Of course, nobody in the loop would have ever used the word "assassinate", just like Trump never directly said "I want Bidden investigated". So, no matter what the charges could have been, and might be in future, the Trump and republican party will claim it never happened. Even Trump has said that Nixon's big mistake was not that he was covering during Watergate; Trump believes Nixon mistake was handing over the tapes and resigning. Trump has eluded that if the Supreme Court order him to hand over documents, he would refuse and never resign. That would leave only one option, impeachment. And even defying the Supreme Court would not be enough for Republicans in the Senate to vote to have him remove from office, they would pull a rabbit out their hat and claim "It is so close to the election, we'll let the voters decide". Republicans not only fear what he will do while President, they also fear what he will do after he out of office; holding revenge rallies against Republicans who dared not to be 100% on his team.

  • Jan 22, 2020 06:39 AM
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    I've been watching, its been more-or-less typical closing arguments of a court trial where each side puts their spin on the facts. So far we have just heard the Democrats.

    It shall be interesting how Donald Trump see's himself as told through the republican'ss rebuttal; how a perfect president was making perfect phone calls 100% of the time, and even when he farts in WH meetings, everyone praises him for have perfectly smelling farts, and that he should fart more often. He extends an open ended offer to everyone that they are welcome to come watch while he takes a shit. Even his shit is perfect shit, and smells just as perfect! :)

  • Jun 25, 2017 02:45 PM
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    As has been noted by all credible sources and this forum, Trump is pathological. When he is communicating to anyone, and I mean ANYONE, he will be lying. He is incapable of telling the truth. Keep in mind, just because he is always lying, doesn't mean his statements don't also some include factual information, but facts are used to communicate one or more lies. Historically, he often uses facts to communicate nearly all his lies. Here is a symbolic Trump statement: "Lie, lie, fact, fact, lie, fact, lie, lie, lie, fact, lie, fact, fact, fact, lie, lie,..etc". Logically speaking, a statement can not be true if it includes false information. True & False = False.

    If Trump were an alcoholic, he would always have a drink in his hand, and be drunk 24x7. His base would be alcoholics and enablers. He would claim his has been sober for 30 years, when in fact he been never been sober as an adult. His base would believe he is an example of sober man, while rest of world sees him for what he is, an alcoholic that has never been sober in his life

  • Dec 22, 2019 01:11 PM
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    Here is what Trump fully exploits whether or not he consciously applies it:

    Facts and the truth are restrictive, they tie the hands of the Truth Teller. Lies are on the other hand, provide for endless possibilities. Honest people are bound by facts, the truth, rules, laws, and ethics. Dishonest people, are free to do what they want, which often includes the control and manipulation of honest people who will not cross boundary lines that dishonest people completely ignore.

    Trump: "Laws are for losers"

  • Jan 19, 2019 11:39 PM
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    I was pondering what a history books might say in just 1-2 years. In States where Trump overwhelming won, a history book better not say very much other than "President Donald Trump was impeached, but found not guilty by the Senate". The controversy surrounding Donald Trumps will remain for a long time after he is out of office largely because Trump himself will, by his own actions, keep the spot light himself for remainder of his life. He will break laws, and the US congress and elected President, will be faced with the question: "What we do when a former president is clearly breaking laws for personal gain?".... Who does not see that happening once Trump is out of office? Does anyone think he going to stop doing rallies promoting his personal agenda while threatening Republicans who even so much as grumble about him? IMO, Trump will never stop, in or out of office. It will never end.

    Trump is cancer in human form. The closer a person is to Trump, there is ever increasing likelihood they will become corrupt\cancerous themselves, or find their life destroyed by the cancer. There is no good outcome for anybody other than Trump. Cancer never destroys itself, it only spreads and kills all that healthly and good. Cancer never make lives better, or turn a loser into a winner. At best, Cancer can only project an illusion through deception; cancer only has one purpose, to destroy all that is healthy.

  • Dec 22, 2019 01:11 PM
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    Christango Wrote: he at least knows how to make his lies seem accurate and believable to those none the wiser. Which makes it all the more important to have people refute the claims in his well put together, yet exceptionally deceptive, videos.

    He personally could tear apart his own BS videos, because his arguments are full of the same selective fact checking that he is accusing politico of doing. The big difference is that Politico does call out elected democrats for making false claims, even small ones, but do you see him calling out Donald Trump for Trump's 1000s upon 1000s of misleading statements\tweets\lies, or does he defend Trump by creating the same, well crafted videos, that would make rational people conclude that world is flat or that NASA faked the moon landing?

    A college exercise: Give students the exact same raw factual news video footage of an event. Some of the students are instructed to edit the footage into a 2 minute "pro" video from the footage, others are to create a 2 minute "con" video, and the remaining students are to create a 2 minute unbiased, fact based video.... Bottomline, both the pro and con videos will be factually inaccurate because there is a agenda to promote a specific perspective that will exclude information that does not support their view point. The unbiased video will come the closest to being fully accurate, but it will also contain some inaccuracies simply because it does not contain all the information available. Even the raw footage does not contain all the facts, just what is caught on video.

  • Jan 19, 2019 11:39 PM
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    While I agree that could he be impeached for multiple reasons, the political bar would be much much higher to make a second attempt, and Trumps knows it. Once the Senate lets him off the hook, IMO, he is free to double down on every criminal act and unethical he wants. I look it as taking all but 1 black slots on roulette wheel, and all Trump needs to do is hit white when he spins the wheel. Who is going to bet against him not winning with those odds.... Or I shall ask the question in a very realistic way: After the Senate clears Trump, what acts would be bad enough for House bring impeachment charges again? And I bet Trump would even brazenly taunt Democrats by openly doing things that are clearly illegal and immoral, knowing they will sit there taking it upthe ass as he F/s over innocent people for personal gain.
  • Jan 19, 2019 11:39 PM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Wake up America; start making proper laws; it is no longer 1800!!!


    Well Trump more-or-less agrees with you. He thinks the US Constitution is old and outdated and needs a good old fashioned book burning party. He intends to personally write a new constitution himself. "The US Constitution is a piece of crap written by some really old geezers in white wigs, and it has too many pages". Trump's plan is to get rid of the three branches of government, and just have one branch- Executive Branch. In Trump's Constitution, the president makes all the decisions, and everybody in the government is under him. He is the Law, The Court, and everything else. He has full, unrestricted, authority. No more term limits, a president is elected for life, then he appoints the next president.


    BTW, his stump speech for convincing voters is that under Donald Trump's New Constitution there is no taxes period. Everything is paid for through tariffs on goods imported from other countries. He calls it the perfect government, which he plans to name "The United States of Donald Trump".

    Trump's base loves the idea. They also are convinced the world is flat, and science has been lying about it for over 200 years.

  • Jan 19, 2019 11:39 PM
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    Here is what the US Constitution says about a Senate trial.
    ARTICLE I, SECTION 3

    "The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments"

    This is it. Nothing more specific.

    That is partly why I alluded to it becoming a reality show with Trump being the executive producer, producer, writer, and star. And during his self-controlled trial, it's just one big extradeaza about how the Democrats framed Donald Trump with their dirty and illegal political tricks. Think of it as the Republican national convention with unlimited budget and the narrative fully under the control of Donald Trump with the Democrats being nothing more than props that he can point at and call names. Trump: "Look at shifty Shift with his fat ugly dog right next to him.... Opps, that is his wife. Hard to tell them apart .....HAHAHAHA!!"

  • Jan 19, 2019 11:39 PM
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    What do people here think of Pelosi's political tactic of not immediately sending the articles of impeachment to Senate until some deal is reached about how the Senate trial will proceed.

    Lot of rumors are been flying around about the WH's instructions to McConnel as how the trial should be handled. Can you imagine what a Senate trial would look like if Donald Trump had full control over the proceedings? It would be a $100 million reality show, where he writes the script, hand picks all the witteness, and only allows statements that have been pre-approved by him personally, etc, etc you get the idea. It would be the biggest political show\rally\farce in the history of the US. Hell, it might even include military victory parade where all the top US generals knee before him as they give a him purple heart medal and then read a script written for them by Trump.