Dutch Wrote:

This country still operates like in the "stone" age.

Well its one step back, for every two steps forward. You may be correct about the downfall of the USA, but it won't be during our lifetime or the lifetime of our grandchildren. Aside from a unlikely nuclear war, its more likely to happen for economic reasons, than being jerked around by grifters like Trump and company. Keep in mind at best he has 5-10 years of life still him. If he lives beyond that he will be an irrelevant old man suffering serious health problems while running around mar-a-largo in an adult diaper demanding to have sex with the teenage daughters of his loyal fans.... I only have joke, because his family has a history of altimers (ie his father), so there is a high probability of him drooling in a wheelchair before the 85.

And without Donald Trump, the Republican party will be looking even lower for a new leader. Who will rise up from the trash heap to take his place? They are taking applications from grifters and other lowlifes. White Racists that are already accomplished liars are encouraged to apply. Sorry, no RINOs need to apply. Required to suck Donald Trump's dick during the interview for the job.

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Rrep Green announced that Rittenhouse is one of the greatest American heroes in the past century, and might even become President someday after Donald Trump decided to retire. He was attacked by a mob of 100s Black Lives Matter terrorists and single-handedly fought them off, only to be falsely charged crimes that he never committed. It is yet another White Man victimized by the Black control legal system that always assumes that if you are an out of state white man carrying an illegal weapon looking to shoot people, that when you shoot people, you must have wanted to kill them, otherwise why would have you have traveled a few hundred miles to be there. As stated during his trial, he took a wrong turn while going out to buy milk, and ended up 100s of miles away from home surrounded by blacks who wanted to murder him just because he was white.

At the same time, Rep Green wants to pass a House resolution declaring former president Obama an illegal alien and have him deported to the shithole where he came from. When asked which country was a "Shithole" she responded "Whatever shithole countries black Lives Matter terrorists are from"

Dockadams Wrote: I'll miss him.

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Brian Williams announced on the 11th hour that he will be leaving the network. He did not say he was retiring, just that he would be spending more time with his family.

At this point, it's hard to say what the real reason is behind his decision. If he is leaving for another network (aka CNN) his current contract likely stipulates that he must stay off the air for 6-12 months. If he is retiring from full-time news, he will likely become a "political news contributor" that is a guest on political news shows much like other past news anchors such as Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather.

I think the statement "...to spend more time with my family" suggests he will resurface on another network sometime in 2022. It would not surprise me if he went to CNN as their lead news anchor or lead political news anchor.

Dutch Wrote:

wwjd, In most cases "dictators" last quite a while. Just look at Castro of Cuba and others. In some of our "threads" we called Trump as made of "teflon". If you see and read how often he escaped "justice" then that says enough. Also the way he's preparing for 2024 shows his fanatic stamina which may be succeed, due to the fact that at least 40% of the people still support him. In the meantime he has his "shady helpers" like Manchin and plenty of others undermine what Biden wants. The picture does not look good, because the Dem's don't seem to have an strategy to "fight" the "GOP's undermining" process. It looks like an "football" game full with dirty tricks and no "oversight", like the Supreme Court, which is in the hands of the "mean" ones.

Like their non-judgement or decision on "abortion" in Texas and other issues. Just like an "football game" played in the "fog" without judges.

IMO, Castro and other dictators survive because it is in the best interest of the US and other countries to leave them in power.

As far as Trump, if he were to return the WH and then start destroying countries using US economic weapons, there are countries that would at least make an effort to have him "Retired". Dictatorships countries have closed borders, the US does not. If an organization like Mossad wanted to take out any president, IMO, they would have over 90% chance of success because they have the experience, resources, and intel to make the operation successful without being discovered even after the fact. They have not made such attempts because so far no US president has been a big enough threat to their country. Trump as a US President is a huge threat to the entire world because he is willing to go WAY TOO FAR to get what he wants. He does not give a GD if other countries go into economic ruin if he is able to personally make money from it. Trump would be perfectly content with 1% of the world population controlling 99.9% of power and resources, and everybody else lives in poverty on less than $1 per day; makes for cheap labor him.

Publically known "hits" are in the media because they want it to be public info, not because counter-intelligence figured it out; part of the plan in some cases is to send a message to others, other times it is not. It is my speculation that most individuals that get taken down are done so without any evidence left behind and done so in a manner that makes the death appear natural (ie heart attack, etc). Think about it, the best spies and hitmen are those that remain invisible, they are not public figures like James Bond.

Dockadams Wrote:

Trump being held accountable for anything? Mission Impossible.

[A future highly classified communication from Israel’s Mossad to CIA]

Mossad: If he decides to run for President in 2024 he won't live to see the Republican nomination. It will be arranged for him to suddenly have a heart attack while at a campaign fundraiser dinner surrounded by a couple hundred very rich supporters. Nobody will know that we were there.

CIA: Understood. We won't interfere with the operation.

that guy in AZ Wrote:

wwjd:

None of us have thought about Indiana native Dan Quayle for years, but apparently he was one of the officials who told Pence that he had no choice but to accept the ballots instead of throwing the decision back to the states.

Dan Quayle, like Mike Pence, is a fundamentalist Christian so they are able to relate to each other at that level. It would not surprise me if they discussed the decision from a right\wrong perspective as it relates to The Bible. According to Peril, Quayle did not waiver on the issue, insisting that Pence simply count the votes and not interject any political comments that he believed that Donald Trump won the election despite the electoral votes. IMO, Pence was looking for a moral and Christian way to justify the decision to keep Donald Trump in power, not just a legal opinion. Donald Trump had a couple of constitutional lawyers attempt to persuade Pence he did have the power to throw out the electoral votes. It appears Pence needed more than just a legal opinion, he needed someone he trusted like Quayle to go further than providing legal advice; he needed someone to speak about it from a moral Christian point of view such as to quote from the Bible with a verse that stated God approved. It is very likely Quayle did read from The Bible during their private conversations, but referenced sections that pointed out that God most like would never approve of Donald Trump's efforts to stay in power.

I don't think of Pence as a hero, but I do believe enough of the right people convinced him to do the right thing, despite his personal desire to follow Trump's direct order to throw out the electoral votes. A simple analogy is that Donald Trump ordered Mike Pence to personally commit a murder of a man Pence knew had not committed any crime, and Mike Pence could not bring himself to commit the murder. But, over the past 4 years, Pence had no problem with others following orders by Donald Trump to symbolically commit murder many times. It's one thing to look the other way while others commit crimes on Trump's behalf, but it is completely something much bigger when Trump ordered Pence to commit a crime that would be the biggest crime ever committed against the country in US history.

that guy in AZ Wrote: I just finished reading the book this morning. As usual, Woodward writes a good book. What is readily apparent is that running a government is a monumentally difficult job. Only people as experienced as Biden or Pelosi or Schumer could stomach the negotiation that is necessary to get things done. Sausage making is not pretty.

I am still reading the book. I am at the part where Pence reluctantly refuses Trump's demands (aka direct order from the US President to violate the law) to throw out all electoral votes. It is my impression that VP Pence wanted to throw out all the electoral votes, and would have done it if not for many conservative legal\constitutional scholars that advised him he did not have the power. The advice was overwhelming universal that if Pense chose to throw out the electoral votes, all the blame would be on him, not Donald Trump. It would be Pence that would face all legal and political fallout all by himself while Donald Trump reaped all the benefits and protection by laws unique to the president. At best Pence might get from it was a pardon by Trump in advance of criminal charges that likely would come from conspiring with the outgoing president to overthrow an US election. At worst, Trump might face disgrace as a former president and be a free man, but Pence could spend many years in jail, much like several other Trump loyalists that have broken the law on behalf of Donald Trump. Where are they now, and where is Donald Trump?

While not stated directly in Peril, it is inferred that it was traditional conservatives who saved the country from Trump's attempt to overthrow the US government. Pence was simply Trump's pawn who very reluctantly refused a direct order from the President.

I only occasionally agreed with John McCain's politics, but I always felt he was a man of high ethical standards and thought he would have made a good Republican president. He gets to the heart of what I think is required of any person who in politics, "their character". Without a very strong character, a political figure can be weak, thus easily manipulated\controlled, or simply outright corrupt, using politics for personal gain. Donald Trump is the worst of both, at his core, he is a weak man without any character, and also at his core is a pure narcissist that only seeks what benefits himself.