I hope that Mr Trump can never win, but I think the amount of support he has achieved has done the US huge harm, and am already wondering if the rest of the world is currently strong enough to resist what he will inevitably do is elected. It was hard enough to beat Hitler.
It seems to me that, having allowed anti-democratic forces to destroy full choice under McCarthy, vast numbers of Americans know no other way to show their disapproval of their power structure than to vote for an insane ape. It is sad to see the biblical bit about the sins of the fathers being so inexorably borne out.
TJ Wrote: OMG, how pitiful is this criticism ? Yes he gave clean water to the thirsty but it wasn't cold or sparkling.... It's pathetic that some on here criticize those who are giving over 90% of their (massive) wealth to charities for whatever reason. I ask are you leaving over 90% of what you have to anything charitable ? I didn't think so. On the 60 minutes piece, some said that when they started giving, they didn't know the best methods but they learned and proceeded. So you want to criticize the "Flavor" of charity being served...... That's unbelievable.
'As cold as charity' was the traditional description of this American filth. People who steal are thieves, and I don't want their shitty charity - I want our money back!
I think the system whereby robbers dish out 'charity' to some of those they thieve from is a bit random. Better to take our own money back and decide who needs it.
Zach F Wrote:
iolo Wrote: No it's not - you do it per head, and England doesn't come in to it - we compare the UK with the US. If you arm your police, they kill people. We don't. And if you throw guns around like confetti, tens of thousands die. We don't. Americans trying to defend their love of killing are truly pathetic.
My apologies, the population of the U.K. is 64 million compared to the 54 million of just England. That shifts my rough numbers down a little bit.
I'm not defending killings. I'm saying that situation is FAR more complex than just a bunch of bad cops like the article implies. You can't just say we have a bunch of bad cops and then lump in statistics where the officer had no other choice but to fire back. That is wrong, misleading, and undercuts the over all argument.
An accurate comparison between U.K. and U.S. would be unjustified killings by cop per capita. This compares just bad cops to other bad cops. Which is the focus of the original article
Another good discussion would be killings is general. You can bring justified killings by cops into this but you would also have to address America's shitty gun laws. Criminals having easy access to guns makes self-defence killings by officers far more likely. That's not a violent cop, persay, it's a violent society or shitty law. Make sense?
More sense, certainly. It is difficult to know how you overcome the omnipresent NRA lying propaganda, but I think you could at least teach police that they have more to do than simply defend themselves from any perceived/imagined threat by killing. For a start, why not make it compulsory for any policemen who kills anyone, ever, to appear in court to justify the killing, which is presumed to be murder until he proves otherwise?
No it's not - you do it per head, and England doesn't come in to it - we compare the UK with the US. If you arm your police, they kill people. We don't. And if you throw guns around like confetti, tens of thousands die. We don't. Americans trying to defend their love of killing are truly pathetic.
iolo Wrote: I doubt very much if the figures relate specifically to England. Obviously, the fact that we don't insist on arming our population to the teeth or put our police on a war footing has a lot to do with the figures here in the UK, which are much, much too high even so. Why should the police kill anyone? The difference between the UK and the US is quite simple; in the past the "bobby's" had only a "nightstick" no guns. Also they were trained to "serve", not like here where they hire mostly ex-military and train military style as well learn to shoot to kill. That is the huge difference. Furthermore the British population has much less ownership of private guns, so there is less confrontation with guns on both sides. The same applies for a lot of European countries. Our problem with guns as well the police is as I said many times that this is an self inflicted wound due to our "militarism" and a misused/wrongly interpreted Constitution.
It is interesting to know why it turned out like that. One thing is that freedom from a continental police state was regarded as fundamental to British liberty, whereas over there it seems to be based on bang-bangs, and when the police were finally formed here they made the great mistake of acting like the continental ones and killing people, ending up themselves locked away. The 'Beaux Gendarmes' which mocks the continental swaggerers got thirty-six
encores when first performed.
iolo Wrote: Eternal Flame - I find your post pretty baffling. You can murder anyone not mentioned in the New Testament, then? Where does Jesus recommend that? American colonialism, as I you know, is an almost daily occurrence, and in pursuit of loads'a money you have murdered hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Muslims. That is Christian, is it? Don't forget how many people have been killed in the name of religion. Religion has nothing at all to do with what it preaches; it is solely used as tool to have power over the herd; it is an pure animal instinct that there have to be leaders who control the herd via treats and false promises. In the meantime the leaders make sure that they become an wealthy independent empire, (without borders) don't have to govern or provide infrastructure or take care of the herd; the sole purpose is to protect their snake oil production and never get the blame for anything .
I think it is a bit more complex than that. In our Civil War the Levellers and the Diggers were both 'religious, and most of the founders of the Labour Movement were similarly given. In a religious society religion pervades everything, and most activity has to be justified in terms of that ideology. I don't know about other religions, but in Christianity there has always been a HUCE tension between the words of Jesus as recorded and what the posturing thieves have had to pretend by way of lying to get obedience.
I doubt very much if the figures relate specifically to England. Obviously, the fact that we don't insist on arming our population to the teeth or put our police on a war footing has a lot to do with the figures here in the UK, which are much, much too high even so. Why should the police kill anyone?
Eternal Flame - I find your post pretty baffling. You can murder anyone not mentioned in the New Testament, then? Where does Jesus recommend that? American colonialism, as you know, is an almost daily occurrence, and in pursuit of loads'a money you have murdered hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Muslims. That is Christian, is it?