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  • Feb 09, 2013 10:07 AM
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    I'm not saying that racism is dead (it never will be) or that black people don't face some extra pressure from law enforcement often. But the "blame white people" train has gone off the rails. Whites used and continued slavery for centuries, but a dirty little secret is that slaves were purchased from African tribes, who practiced enslaving all members of a conquered tribe to ensure they didn't retaliate. Smart, but still the source of western slavery. Did anyone watch the Grammy's? Pharrell and Beyoncé both incorporated "hands up, don't shoot" into their performances, and Al Sharpton continues to use this slogan at rallies. That would be fine if this statement had not been admitted during trial to have never been said. The Eric Garner decision was baffling. Trayvon Martin's and Michael Brown's however were in line with the facts. That doesn't make them any less tragic, but its not okay that riots break out every time a decision goes against an African American. As for Sharpton, he is in my opinion the most polarizing figure in America and the biggest reason for high racial tensions between blacks and several different groups he's come out against over the years. Homophobic, anti-Semitic, and anti-white (obviously) public comments, in addition to inciting riots that killed innocent people in NY (Freddie's) and LA paint this man in a bad light. Not to mention the tax evasion and multiple racially charged court cases he's been a part of (Tawana is the big one). When he got Imus fired for admittedly bad, though clearly joking, comments it's ironic how nobody brought up Sharpton's own, much worse bigoted remarks over the course of 25+ years. The hypocrisy of calling for Imus' job when he never was terminated for his words can't be overstated. I know talking bad about major Democratic figures here is frowned upon, so I'll let anyone who wants to read more about this guy's shameless misdeeds simply search his name on Google. It's possible to not be racist against blacks and still not support things like affirmative action. I'm all for CLASS based affirmative action, but race based doesn't benefit the education system. Seeing some liberals cry racist at anything is just wrong. The thing we should be addressing is not white on black or any cross race type of violence. Here are some numbers from the 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report: Percent of white murders committed by other whites: 83% Blacks killing blacks: 90% Whites killing blacks: 7.6% Blacks killing whites: 14% www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93... I know you guys don't trust that paper but the stats are from the FBI. They're legit. So apparently whites don't do a whole lot of killing African-Americans. Actually blacks kill whites TWICE as much. No racist black on white violence talk though. This is the hypocrisy I speak of. No more lying. White people are not the problem with black America.
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    Hello again I couldn't agree more that the optimal scenario would be if the muslim countries took our their own trash for us. I've still got my fingers crossed that the Jordanian pilot's death may ultimately lead to this. It'd be great if we managed to keep the bulk of victimized citizens of Syria/Iraq from blaming us and perhaps radicalizing. But the Saudis got their own issues with the crazy new king and they would be needed for that to happen. As for Kyle, I'm not really big on calling any soldier a hero unless he did something that actually changed the course of history in a positive way, like that Russian Zaeytsev. It's their job. But the opposite end of the spectrum I disagree more with. Unless of course they did despicable and unnecessary things, such as that time I guess about 10 years ago now that some of them humiliated their captives. That's just evil. It's worth noting that we punish soldiers that do that, though. There will never be a time, at least to me, where eradication of millions of innocent people like in your mass extinction idea where that is justifiable. You guys are correct. When ISIS falls another group will rise. And meddling everywhere creates animosity towards us. It's just that the idea of letting people execute scores of boys and bury children alive is very hard to sit back and accept for me. It's unreal that anybody could do such a horrible thing. So if others won't then it doesn't bother me if we send those fuckers to Hell (or so you don't get peeved with me LA, to nothing. Either way is good). I think the film is more about what war does to someone's head than pro-war propaganda but obviously we use propaganda to create a sense of pride in the country, like anywhere else. Hitler was crazy intelligent and mastered it. Makes sense to follow his formula there, as long as it doesn't lead to mass genocide. The ww2 Germans were taken in by the propaganda yes, but Hitler took care to hide the facts about where the Jews went from the public. Surely they would've decried it. Hitler had plenty of insubordination/assassination plots among his most informed Nazi leaders so I'm not sure it's fair to say that people can be convinced that ANYTHING is justifiable. Fear kept a lot of Nazis in line too
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    As you said, Iraq and bin Laden are not truly related, so the 6000 dead soldiers aren't because of searching for Osama. What message would it have sent to our enemies if we'd just sat back and done nothing but grieve after 9/11? And how do you explain to the victims' families that we're not going after the guy who attacked and killed innocent people inside our borders? Iraq was an error. Hardly anybody disputes that anymore. But you won't find many people who think killing bin Laden wasn't worth the effort we put forth in the hunt for him. I think you might feel differently if it had been one of your family killed in the towers
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    Haha don't knock pig hunting till you've tried it. They're everywhere too. My state I do think is a bit too conservative at times, and Rick Perry is a freaking moron. Some of his quotes are just so dumb. You're mistaken if you think Texans want automatics to be available to civilians. Most people here are adamantly opposed to that. They serve no purpose. Nobody wants to hunt with a weapon that takes any challenge out of it. Don't have much info on workers' rights so I'll take your word there. Maybe God exists and maybe he doesn't. There's no way to prove that either way so I'm happy to let people believe what they will. I don't mind serial murderers being put down. They don't contribute anything and many are psychopaths that never had the ability to. But no doubt innocent men are sometimes executed, and that's very sad. In case you haven't figured it out I'm a pretty centered conservative. I have never heard of killing retarded youths. If that happens then that's f*cked up.
    If much rather live here than Cali to be honest. The social services are so out of control that the state is constantly being bailed out by the Feds. A state with that many resources and people should be able to stand on its own as a country if it was forced to. The way it's set up now Cali could not

    Even if God isn't real I don't see what harm Christians do in the modern world to make you so anti-them. Belief in a higher power can be helpful when you're sick because religious people who are seriously ill have a more positive outlook on their chances of recovery. It's all in your head but it still helps
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    If the last post was aimed at me LA I don't think you're reading anything I put down. I know Cali is under siege from smog, but that isn't something that most of the country deals with. That some crazy extreme pollution. I am Christian, but don't think any religion can be used to create a good set of societal laws. The Middle East proves that. I have absolutely no problems with gays. I only have one gay friend but I'm certainly not grossed out by what he wants to do on his own time.
    I live in Texas. Unless you live way out in the sticks these methheads and hillbillies you speak of are hard to find. And I'm not poor. Few conservatives are because you usually need something to conserve to be comfortable as one. People that want automatic weapons are idiots or criminals. The only guns that should be available are traditional hunting firearms or small handguns for self-defense. And they should only be available to licensed gun owners who have gone through a thorough background check. Drugs I've tried: alcohol and weed (who hasn't), and coke when my friend has offered it for free in the past. Not worth the money to me though. And of course I'm familiar with prescription opiates. But everything else I've never done.

    So if you want to keep posting attempted insults then go ahead but I'm never going to be offended by something that doesn't apply to me. It's like calling me, as white, a n*gger.

    I know you're being sarcastic about the prisons comment but I think we all know that there are far too many people in them and I'd like to see conspiracy charges that put innocent people away be abolished
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    While I do think killing bin Laden temporarily threw Al Queda into a void of leadership, I'm with you that it ultimately won't slow them down much. Still it was something that needed to be done if only to give some closure to the families of 9/11 victims and to show that if you hit us you won't get away. I also understand that our meddling doesn't make us more popular. To be fair though, what is the last world leading superpower that wasn't widely hated by the rest of the world? It seemingly just comes with the territory.
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    Soldiers can occasionally have a massive impact on a war through individual actions. Vasili Zaeytsev (spelling?) was a Russian sniper who was instrumental in Stalingrad. Through his many key kills, and the propaganda Russia put out using him as the subject he helped to galvanize the soviets against the Nazis and turn the tide of maybe the most important war in history. To see that man as anything but a hero BECAUSE of his ability to kill and avoid being killed is hard to justify.
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    You make some very valid arguments. There is no question that the removal of Saddam Hussein led to ISIS's rise. In an odd way Saddam was the best thing for that country as he kept all these radical factions in check. You'll get no dissent from me there. I disagree that America's goal is global dominance. So much aid is given that saves millions of people that oftentimes despise the U.S. it's unfortunate that oil dictates much of Anerica's behavior with regards to the Middle East. We will not and have not called out the Saudis for their egregious human rights violations due only to how much they currently mean to our economy. About the sniper, he was a puppet in a sense. All soldiers are but if there was not obedience to higher authority no organization would run effectively. Our politicians are also puppets but instead of killing those who pose a threat to Americans they do whatever their highest campaign contributors ask, and to me that's far worse. Of course Kyle did not personally know his victims. I don't think many soldiers do. But calling him an idiot for killing people who were absolutely dedicated to doing the same to him and his friends/fellow soldiers doesn't make sense. America's time as the world superpower is in its waning hours, which I'm sure you're happy about. We aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but when China or Russia or both overtake us on the world stage I think you'll see how reserved of a superpower we've been. We don't try to expand our borders, we don't start wars without information suggesting that we are in danger (obviously not always correct info, as the Iraq war demonstrates), and our foreign aid saves far more lives than we take.

    Also, Bush wasn't the greatest leader ever, but putting him on THAT list of people? Come on. Violence overseas hasn't exactly been curbed under Obama, and he has spied on our own citizens more than any previous president (I have no problem with this, but you might), however I doubt you'll put him on any list alongside Hitler or Nspoleon. Stalin should be on there though. And Lenin. I have more respect for Barack than the average conservative largely due to the balls it took for a Democratic president to give the order to sneak into Pakistan and take out bin Laden but he hasn't been that great as prez either.
    On a related note, were those SEAL team 6 members not justified in that kill? And if you think we should trust our "allies" in the Middle East more to take care of these radicals themselves then the Abbottabad compound where Osama was hiding is a perfect example of why we don't. Pakistan, who we give WAY too much aid and weapons, returned the favor by either hiding bin Laden or not trying hard enough to locate him.
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    And I'd love to hear any one of you, but especially LA, answer my earlier question about whether the Allied soldiers who took down WW2 Germany were just murderers too.
  • Jan 26, 2015 09:06 AM
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    Sorry man some of us have things to do other than post on forums. To you, I'm not advocating killing off species on purpose, just saying that extinction is a fact of life. I'm not referring to over-fishing or over-hunting as those are wrong. However some (not saying all) endangered species may have just run their course. I do find it a little ironic that you, who admittedly fed people's addictions and likely helped to worsen multiple lives, are preaching about anyone doing bad deeds. But for all I know you grew up in financial straits and had to. To the guy who said Republicans oppose civil rights at all opportunities: this is largely true in the past. I'm not here to bring up past misdeeds though. If you want to go back to the Civil War then Democrats are the biggest offenders. With the older generation of Republicans dying off the mentality has changed. The modern Republican Party does not oppose equal rights for any group with the exception of abortion issues. My personal view on abortion is that a woman who has chosen to be careless and bring a child into this world that she could've easily taken care of with birth control should have to bear it. Otherwise people will keep having tons of babies born into poverty with little or no way out. That helps no one. So no except in cases of rape I don't think a woman has a fundamental right to carelessly be impregnated then decide to kill the fetus because it's an inconvenience to her. Of course men can't get pregnant or otherwise the same legislation would apply to them. This is not a gender issue. You can't really police it on the male's end.
    If there is indeed a heaven then I don't think Jesus has a problem with killing militant Islamists. Like I said earlier, not everyone can be reasoned with. Look at the video of the Jordanian pilot being burned alive for proof.


    And you're totally right. No college educated people from anywhere but backwoods America are Republicans.