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The Bible historical look

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  • Center Left
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    I'm not taking sides on this one. However I thought this will be interesting and informative.
    Today is 11/14/13. Tonight on the History channel at 11:00 pm - 12:00 am, is a show titled
    Bible Secrets Revealed. It's discription reads: "Lost in Translation" Examining contradictions
    and questions from a variety of historical and theological perspectives that have been debated
    for centuries. original air date: 11/13/13.

    my spell check is not working. Forgive any mistakes.
  • Liberal
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    Somebody in this forum will have the correct answer.....Don't u worry.....god seems to make a lot of personal calls lately.....just not to my house
  • Liberal
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    I received a text yesterday but it was unreadable!
  • Center Left
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    OK I'm not selling religion here. However, there are many on this site that have much skepticism when it comes to religion.
    The point of my post was this show (tonight on History channel) might enforce the skepticism or at least show how historically that has been
    debated in the past. I believe they will point out many interesting items like the perhaps inaccurate translations that have resulted in what the bible says today. I think it will be interesting.
  • Liberal
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    Anything that's on TV can't be trusted. Entertainment. There's only secrets in the bible if you're looking for them....PHROPECY......"Build it and they'll come"......remember that???? Prophecy fulfilled are called completed goals in 2013..... The only message I get from the bible is......."place me in the fiction section at the library, near the fantasy rack
  • Liberal
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    OHHH OHHHH, my cell just rang 666-666-6666
  • Liberal
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    I'm a prayin fer ya! And a few others here;)
  • Democrat
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    I watched the show on the History channel and found it very interesting and somewhat informative as it was only 1 hour long, I will pursue answers to some of questions that I have abut the show.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Tony:


    Thanks for posting your note ...

    I continue to be amazed at the fact that roughly 30% of the American population accepts the Bible literally, in spite of its obvious contradictions.
    The link below will allow you to take an "open book" Bible quiz that will bring a smile to your face:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2010/09/bible-told-me-so.html

    Now that you have your Bible open, take a look at Judges 19:21-30.

    Makes you wonder why people call it "the Good Book", doesn't it?
  • Independent
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: Tony:


    Thanks for posting your note ...

    I continue to be amazed at the fact that roughly 30% of the American population accepts the Bible literally, in spite of its obvious contradictions.
    The link below will allow you to take an "open book" Bible quiz that will bring a smile to your face:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2010/09/bible-told-me-so.html

    Now that you have your Bible open, take a look at Judges 19:21-30.

    Makes you wonder why people call it "the Good Book", doesn't it?
    Like I said many times; any and all books on this world are written by humans; all books can be scrutinized and may have errors.
    It totally depends on the state of mind of the writer, or may have been written while surrounded by a certain culture, etc.
    However the "bible" book, because of its age, is actually a compilation of writers, which because of the nature of the people at that time; who never questioned the writers because their standing was above the "crowd" and considered "temple" leaders. So to find the real actual thruth about all these things and misinterpretations as well as language translation differences; it is virtually impossible to do so. The churches benefit from it, because in general the "believers" just accept everything they are being told.
  • Liberal
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    Now-Now Dutch.... when A MOTHER'S PRAYER is rejected from god about saving her childs life due to cancer,,,,, its followd by " It'S Gods Will". I think he was busy that day helping baseball players hit home runs.... God hates prayer, especially when prayers ask him to change his mind. Believers need psychiatric care...... DADDY ISSUES
  • Center Left
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    Dutch,
    I agree with you. What I found from the show is that the writings were in Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew, when translations came much was changed. In one language Mary was referred to as a virgin, in the earlier writing, the word meant young women. There were many many times when translations altered meanings. Cases where things were edited, censored, added, or canceled. Reasons were political many times. The show said those who are credited with writing many sections were not the actual authors. In many cases, they were mostly common thoughts or beliefs. Until the late 1500's it was illegal to translate the book into any other language but Latin. Punishable by death. King George had a dispute with the pope because the pope wouldn't annul his marriage. KG told the pope he was starting his own church. This worried the Vatican because they had big real estate holdings in the UK. It could cost the church much money. KG ultimately allowed an english translation with his image on the title page. This and printing advances allowed normal people to read the book where before it was only those who knew Latin. Mostly priests/clergy.
    Very interesting was when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found (mid 20th century), they contained almost all of the old testament. It dated to be very very old.
    OK, I am rambling..... what was interesting was how so much has changed in translations and editing, yet so many insist it's all literal like the book in it's original condition was found intact. That's so far from the truth. It was said (on the show) that it's said to be the writings of important individuals but there are human fingerprints (the changes) all over it. Even Thomas Jefferson edited his own version of his personal bible to make Jesus more of a philosopher.
  • Liberal
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    I fell asleep unfortunately and missed it but I'll download it and watch it.

    Has anyone read Zealot yet? Most likely covers a lot of the same history of the bible but from Jesus's time. I found it very interesting (and believable) If anyone wants to read it let me know and 'll "loan" it to you.
  • Strongly Liberal
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    TJ Wrote: What I found from the show is that the writings were in Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew, when translations came much was changed. In one language Mary was referred to as a virgin, in the earlier writing, the word meant young women. There were many many times when translations altered meanings. Cases where things were edited, censored, added, or canceled. Reasons were political many times. The show said those who are credited with writing many sections were not the actual authors. In many cases, they were mostly common thoughts or beliefs. Until the late 1500's it was illegal to translate the book into any other language but Latin. Punishable by death. King George had a dispute with the pope because the pope wouldn't annul his marriage. KG told the pope he was starting his own church. This worried the Vatican because they had big real estate holdings in the UK. It could cost the church much money. KG ultimately allowed an english translation with his image on the title page. This and printing advances allowed normal people to read the book where before it was only those who knew Latin. Mostly priests/clergy.
    Very interesting was when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found (mid 20th century), they contained almost all of the old testament. It dated to be very very old.
    OK, I am rambling..... what was interesting was how so much has changed in translations and editing, yet so many insist it's all literal like the book in it's original condition was found intact. That's so far from the truth. It was said (on the show) that it's said to be the writings of important individuals but there are human fingerprints (the changes) all over it. Even Thomas Jefferson edited his own version of his personal bible to make Jesus more of a philosopher.
    Tony,

    I appreciate your healthy, open mind, and I just wish more people found modern, progressive biblical scholarship interesting. If critics and cynics only realized that the research and scholarship supports both Deist and Atheist arguments against "Christian" Fundamentalism and Dominionism, they would welcome it with open arms.

    If you read my posts, you will find that many of them are about this subject. That's because I came here to promote a comprehensive message that includes an informed, educated critique of the "religious right," particularly of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. And the article on Christianity discusses all the things that are in the TV documentary you speak of.

    Since the "Enlightenment," during which people from Spinoza to Jefferson rejected "Christian" dogma and furthered the spiritual philosophy of Deism, there has been a steady growth of progressive scholarship about the origins of religion and the purpose of religion. And that was stoked by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Library (which contains 52 Gnostic Gospels and two hermetic Greek works about Jesus). ALL that research and scholarship has steadily shed light on the real facts, and ALL the facts expose and refute the "religious" bigots and hypocrites on the so-called "religious right" who essentially want to rule the world in the name of religion.

    And, the amazing thing is that Jesus of Nazareth predicted it. He said that at the end of the aeon (age or olam or yuga), a judgment would come and that all the hypocrites who claim to do "many wonderful works in the name of the Lord" would be exposed and refuted. And that prophecy has indeed happened.
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  • Independent
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    Guy; thanks However the "judgement" in the end of days is again "fantasy island". My guess is if it comes to that, there will be no one coming from up there to judge anyone, unless someone wants to talk to a heap of bones or burning flesh. It is my feeling if it ever comes to that, then it just means the human species in its present form may end, but this globe may still exist and return to the dinosaur times; nothing in the universe will blink; it will carry on as always.
    Humans are worth nothing at all in this huge universe, and may be themselves the cause of their demise, so what is there to judge?
    (judgement is again only a "human" term)