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Richie Incognito's Alleged Harassment of Jonathan Martin

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  • Center Left
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    NFL guard for the Miami Dolphins, Richie Incognito, has been suspended indefinitely from the league for allegedly harassing fellow teammate Jonathan Martin. Incognito has been accused by Martin of bullying/harassing him and other teammates on a constant basis over the past two seasons. There have been reports of racially charged text and voice mail messages that Incognito sent to Martin, threatening both Martin and his family. Reports have also come out of Incognito basically forcing Martin to contribute $15,000 for a team trip to Las Vegas. Martin said he did it against his will because he was afraid of the consequences if he did not.

    As more reports come out and the league investigates this further, Incognito's history has surfaced, exposing his 10 years in both college and pro football for having a reputation of being very difficult to share a locker room with, if not impossible. The words 'bully', 'difficult', and 'undraftable' (due to his personality) have been used to describe Incognito throughout his career.

    But, that isn't always the case. When his current teammates (the rest of Miami Dolphin's locker room) were asked outright about what they think about the allegations, most seemed shocked that Martin is making these claims. Some feel that Incognito's actions are more or less just hazing and what happens in a locker room should stay in the locker room. Others say that Incognito is a good guy and doesn't deserve all this controversy...

    Seems the team is sticking close and trying to keep this as quiet and uncontroversial as possible. Maybe some of them saw what was going on. Maybe some of them really didn't, or didn't think much of it. Regardless, the evidence all points to Incognito taking this whole hazing routine way too far, at the very least. And at most, Incognito is a racist bully that is, simply put, a dangerous dude to be around. I feel the truth is somewhere in between, leaning toward the latter. And, the locker room guys are smart to keep quiet, as people will have to answer for turning the other cheek, if they did in fact know what was going on.

    Martin also holds to the fact that he was not the only one in the locker room being harassed. I guess this story isn't over yet. What are your thoughts on Incognito and Martin? Do you think that Incognito is a racist bully? Or like some, do you think that Martin needs to "toughen up"?
  • Democrat
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    Having been exposed to locker room mentality since High School { Army, and Police locker rooms}, it was taken as what is now known as the Las Vegas theory, what happens here ,stays here. Now for hazing, it is a form of bullying, no if's ,and's, or buts about it, fraternity's do it, as do sororities, special secret clubs and the Armed Forces also, it supposed to be able to assist in the forming of a Bond between you and the organization you seeking to join. I don't know what the guidelines are or the boundary lines are to decide what is hazing or outright bullying, but there should be some sort of supervision that could determine when and if the hazing goes too far.
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    sb I know that he's been suspended by his team, but I have not heard that he's been suspended by the league. It seems hard to imagine that he'd ever play again for the Dolphins, but if eligible, it would not shock me if he plays again for some other team. Even if he is suspended by the league, it could be lifted. What about the NFL players union which defends players for any and all transgressions? Will they choose sides? Will they defend BOTH players?

    As bad as his record is, and it's real bad, he's very talented and talent is sometimes the most important factor. If somebody thinks he can help them win, he may get another chance, if he's eligible.

    I don't know if we have heard the last of this story, and lately it seems that of his teammates, more of them are supporting him than Martin. That doesn't seem right, but maybe there's more details to come out. Johnny is right, locker rooms are rude, crude, and socially unacceptable but maybe he went too far even for a pro football locker room. Lots of young males, lots of agression, lots of testoserone, and his job is basically to run over people, and that's a unique work environment.

    Reports are that he may not even be a racist, and was even voted an "honorary black man" by his teammates, whatever that means. Does that give him the right to use the "N" word? Maybe he thinks so. Maybe he's an "equal opportunity" abuser.

    As bad as he is, there may be worse examples who were allowed to continue playing. A few years ago there was an NFL player who killed someone, served time in jail, and came back to play. Don't remember the details, but he hit a pedestrian while driving drunk, I think, and maybe on a suspended license, but he made a comeback so Richie Incognito may as well.

    Talented pro athletes who have been spoiled since they were very young, get away with things that would put most of us in jail.
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    jamesn Wrote: sb I know that he's been suspended by his team, but I have not heard that he's been suspended by the league. It seems hard to imagine that he'd ever play again for the Dolphins, but if eligible, it would not shock me if he plays again for some other team. Even if he is suspended by the league, it could be lifted. What about the NFL players union which defends players for any and all transgressions? Will they choose sides? Will they defend BOTH players?
    You are exactly right. Sorry about that. He is currently suspended indefinitely only by the Dolphins, not by the league. I also agree. I don't think we have seen the last of Incognito in the NFL. Maybe for the Dolphins. But, that's to be seen after the investigations all get settled.
  • Democrat
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    Which side will the NFL defend, what usually happens is that a conflict atty. is appointed, but not knowing the details of the Players CBA , it's all guess work
  • Other Party
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    The Patriots and the Raiders are known for giving second chances to "troubled" players. There are 31 other teams and some team may give him a shot.

    The Players Union always defends their players, but I don't remember where a player is on each side of the dispute. I assume that both players are/were dues paying members, so they will have to try to support both of them? What if there's a lawsuit filed by one player against the other?
  • Democrat
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    jamesn Wrote: The Patriots and the Raiders are known for giving second chances to "troubled" players. There are 31 other teams and some team may give him a shot.

    The Players Union always defends their players, but I don't remember where a player is on each side of the dispute. I assume that both players are/were dues paying members, so they will have to try to support both of them? What if there's a lawsuit filed by one player against the other?
    Andy Reid of the Chiefs ,when he was with the Eagles gave Michael Vick a second chance after he served his prison time, and there are many other talented players in the NFL as well as other sports team who were given a second chance after inappropriate or even criminal behavior.
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    Yes and Michael Vick is STILL one of the most hated players in the NFL.

    Some people will forgive a person murderer quicker than a dog murderer. Amazing!
  • Democrat
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    jamesn Wrote: Yes and Michael Vick is STILL one of the most hated players in the NFL.

    Some people will forgive a person murderer quicker than a dog murderer. Amazing!


    Agreed, I, as an Eagles fan my whole life ,have yet to buy a single Eagle Logo item since Vick has been hired, my wife loves it because I have so much Eagle junk, as my wife calls the items , that I really don't need anymore dust collectors, something else she calls them.
  • Liberal
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    Again....indoctrination. We now are policing and judging grown men who can easily crush you and I. Professional Football players being punished for bullying. AMAZING
  • Liberal
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    Michael Vick's conviction is un related to how he earns a living. All the self righteous doo-gooders aren't happy about that. So lets take away his ability to earn a living. We've got people jumping on these band-wagon causes attempting to now continue the punishment of others. Don't these people have jobs???? Hobbies???......Something to fill their days????
  • Liberal
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    Michael Vick is Black. Imagine if Ron Jaworski had been convicted of the same crime. He would have not only been forgiven, they would have started dog-fighting night the weekend after.
  • Democrat
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Michael Vick is Black. Imagine if Ron Jaworski had been convicted of the same crime. He would have not only been forgiven, they would have started dog-fighting night the weekend after.


    Since that is not what happened regarding the Eagles quarterbacks, what is your point. Everyone can play the what if game, but other than for amusement only, what is the point. It's been said that if the Queen had balls she be a King!!
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Michael Vick is Black. Imagine if Ron Jaworski had been convicted of the same crime. He would have not only been forgiven, they would have started dog-fighting night the weekend after.
    Since that is not what happened regarding the Eagles quarterbacks, what is your point. Everyone can play the what if game, but other than for amusement only, what is the point. It's been said that if the Queen had balls she be a King!!
    Michael Vick is still an issue.....that's my point. We focus on what we want to see.
  • Republican
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    I agree with the feelings of Charles Barkley on the use of the N-word, in this You Tube video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y5teRxMqaPQ

    I post it because I could not have said what he said better myself.

    It is important to know that when I was 19-years-old, someone told me to "Shut up you crippled, n-word f-word." I am a Black man who has never been able to walk and I am a homosexual.

    I suspect my comment will be deleted because I claim that crude remark became my best friend for more than 30 years. You see, I disrespected the person who said that to me first and his crude remark taught me to respect others.

    My point is that for years I tried to teach people in the media that because of political correctness, no one will repeat what was said to me. This is a problem because I can't teach people to respect others by not being able to share the hard lesson I learned.

    It is my opinion that Richie Incognito did not bully Johnathan Martin, he disrespected that man.

    I use the word n-word and nigga around my Black friends and not one of them will ever say that I have disrespected them by using those terms. I do not own the word n-word and I am not going to act like I do. Offended Blacks act like they own the word, which sounds silly and Whites who want to use the word are silly when they even desire to use it.

    Furthermore, I prefer to use the term crippled to describe my handicap of 56 years and I once accused a straight White friend of having a gay conniption when I felt he was acting too hysterical on a matter.

    I said ALL that to say, we ALL need to resist the temptation of having a gay conniption whenever someone says something offensive. In other words, if Richie Incognito said what he said to Martin; to me, I can assure you I do not need America coming to my defense. If I deserved the crude remark or he was just out of line.

    And if I had the opportunity to Richie Incognito to respect others, political correctness has made my job of teaching others more difficult because you are ashamed of offensive language.

    Oh and by the way, I have not cursed anyone out in over thirty years because I have no use for those words.