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Does a military recruitment program belong in schools?

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  • Green Party
    California
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    http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-School-board-votes-to-dum...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IIB6wqHmas

    Hi I am from San Francisco. My city's school board has voted to eliminate JROTC back in 2006. What is your opinion of the JROTC program? Does it have a place in public education? Should the United Nations ban programs like this? I believe militarization of youth is unethical. It is unethical to teach kids that the military and war is cool! These militarized youth have better things to do! Rather than marching and throwing rifles these children could be studying for college or taking part in community activism. I say show JROTC to the door!
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Throw da bums out! We have way to many "military folks" as it is!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    The main focus of these Military programs is not a how to fight wars program but how to lead and make decisions, how to be self-motivated and how to motivate others, how to take orders as well as give them, most of all it teaches the value of team work and to work well with others to achieve the stated goals. These are good qualities that are held in high esteem in any business/corporation and makes many of those graduates prime candidates for future considerations with those companies.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    It's more like teaching them to be followers, toe the line, do as you're told, don't question authority! Show me a real thinker and leader and they'll be a protester, not someone who never question and always obeys their "orders" from higher up! The military teaches nothing and exposes humanity's worst traits then tries to glorify them - disgusting!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Fortunatly, that is your opinion, although there are many case history's that would prove you wrong, and even if I posted them, you still wouldn't believe
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    I have faith that you'll try and enlighten me though;)
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    One thing I am not and that is a recruiter, your a grown man with many different life experiences to base your opinions on, as am I, you look for things that will reinforce your ideas and thoughts, as I do also, so these forums are designed to have an exchange of ideas and to give a different perspective to our own ideas and agenda's, this is why when things get to heated ,I am guilty of this also , but I try to extricate myself from that discussion without doing any real harm to my fellow poster. This why I am not a recruiter.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I don't like the military being in schools. I agree with pgr. Sadly though, the military is going to employee a lot of people. It's a place to go for those who don't have what it takes to go to college. Yes I would very much prefer that 100% of 17 - 18 year olds go to college, but it's not for everyone. The military is one step above fast food except for the fact that you might die.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I don't know the percentages of how many graduates of a High School ROTC program go onto a successful military career, but when I was in service {1962 thru1965} ,there were very few ROTC guys, I can't remember any, and I am sure not all graduates became officers in the Armed Services, maybe because I was a grunt, and that particular branch of the service didn't make the recruitment presentation, but I do know of some successful businessmen who were High School ROTC graduates and did not join their Collage ROTC and they still remember the discipline that was instilled in them along with a steadfastness towards a particular goal and how to achieve it.
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    As someone who went through the British equivalent of JROTC (Royal Air Force Air Cadets), and who turned into a productive and responsible member of society, I find that your argument has limited merit. While you might be correct with respect to having these programs embedded in public education, I have to disagree with you on the ethics (or lack thereof, as you seem to argue) and goals of youth military programs.

    The aim of these programs is not "to teach kids that the military and war is cool", as you put it, but to provide an environment where teens are able to experience some aspects of military life. In doing so, they gain skills that can benefit them later on throughout life, regardless of what life or career path they choose, be it within the Armed Forces or not. During my entire time in cadets, I never once thought that "war was cool". By the time I was old enough to join cadets, I had already been present for enough Remembrance Day (Veteran's Day in the US) ceremonies to know that war is a horrible thing, and not once in the 6 years of cadets was I given the impression otherwise.

    You claim that these "militarized youth" have better things to do. If anything, my being in cadets made me more motivated to get involved with the community and maintain high grades. My opportunities in uniform were greatly impacted by the effort I put into my normal life. Through cadets, I was afforded the opportunity of obtain my Private Pilot's License, and that was only because I showed the motivation and dedication both at home and during training.

    While it is unethical (and illegal) to give children weapons and tell them to go kill people, I find absolutely no issues with providing the same children the opportunity to learn how to safely handle a weapon within a controlled environment, supervised by highly trained personnel. That way, if they were to come across an unsecure weapon during their daily life, they would know the potential danger and how to alleviate that risk.

    Now, obviously my experience is limited to the British equivalent of JROTC, but I imagine that the US (and other nation's) programs are similar, at least in their general aim Overall however, I don't agree that youth military programs should be banned. Perhaps separated from the public education system, but not eliminated entirely.

    http://www.raf.mod.uk/aircadets/
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    No, this country is totally on the wrong track!! The military mindset here is kind of sick. First of all we should stop having troops all over the world at enormous cost to us. Also the media is not helping by promoting a Rambo culture; see the mall shootings lately.
    This recruiting should stop; instead we should be reducing the militarization of our country and drastically reduce its lobby power and size; unless our leaders want to start WWIII. Our schools should take care of to provide the training needed to become an active well oriented person in this society.
    For instance, most of our police is ex-military, which is clearly noticed once there is something going on; they are only trained in "shoot to kill" not to just shoot on legs or arms. Also you are bullied even if you are stopped in traffic etc.

    It is not the physcical training, but the mentality which is wrong; the demand to be superior and always a winner is already wrong; like in our sports a second place does not count. So anything which smells like "military" is wrong; having a chest full with boxtop ribbons gives you the right to bully in Washington and elsewhere. Let's have a civil society with tolerance and decent education to be able to function in a productive society who takes care of all kinds of people who are not always number one with a chest full of barcodes.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Dutch,
    I very much agree with all that you just posted. Well said.
    I also want to extend my thanks to those that have served. Our military should be much smaller, cost 70% less and primarily protect our borders and the citizens within our borders.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Most all of you have shallow thinking on the merits of military science in our schools. Yes, there is an opportunity in training on weapons, however, I would rather have the military teach this than the crazed gangs in our society. I would rather have the ROTC's teach skills in handling weapon than the groups such as M13, KKK, drug gangs, Blues, Reds, or any other disorganized gangs who's only purpose is terror, theft and distribution of illegal drugs. Military science teaches discipline in body and mind, respect for others, and skills that nurture success in life. Anyone who believes that schools that have ROTC's have shallow thinking and not seeing the big picture.

    If you don't desire ROTC's than you had better feel similar to sports programs, cheer leading, debate teams, chess clubs, and church programs (Mormans, Jehovah Witness, Baptists, most all religious orders). All these coaches, advisors and teachers of various clubs and teams are lunatics in their right to maintain team ship and order for their groups to accomplish success. They are careless in teaching our youth to beat the opposition in anyway possible, even commit to illegal actions that would be criminal.

    ROTC can have similar effects on the youth because they desire commitment from the individual. In saying the ROTC is unethical is baseless unless you compare it to all these other activities. Please consider the good merits of these organizations, ROTC included, because they have excellent qualities that parents do not teach to the youth. After reading some of the comments in this posting, I felt their was an envy that you all exposed because you did not participate and become champions and success in life. You must feel poorly that maybe if you did have some of this training in the past, life might have become a little better. You cannot second-guess your past, but pick up where you are and move on, but please don't blame your inadequacy on these organizations because of your handicapped life. Life is amazing when you take all that is offered.

    ROTC is a great opportunity for youth and it does not mean you join some military and terminate the world. ROTC teaches discipline, respect and order while chaos and greed continues to breed in business and politics. Attacking military science and youth programs such as ROTC only shows you all must approve of the likes of the Republicans, Tea Party, Krogh brothers, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, because these people are not about respect and order in America.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    WOW Amc. How do you really feel ? We can agree to disagree. We all want kids to learn leadership, problem solving, and helping others..... Just not with a gun in their hands. You put much more faith in our military than I do.