Forum Thread

With D.C. set to decriminalize marijuana, Schedule I looks even more silly, no?

Reply to ThreadDisplaying 1 - 15 of 50 1 2 3 4 Next
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Washington D.C., our nation's capitol, is set to decriminalize marijuana. They look primed to pass legislation with a supermajority of votes that decriminalizes marijuana early next year, making the fines for possessing the plant very minimal (somewhere around $25-$100, charged as a small fine).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-poised-for-giant-leap-toward...

    So, once this happens, how close do you think the nation will be to start following suite, and eventually legalizing marijuana altogether? I mean, how silly will it look if DC has small fines for people walking the streets with weed in their pockets, while the federal government (with it's main operations in the very same city) having marijuana still on the books as a schedule 1 drug and federally considered a felony to possess? How will Washington and The Hill explain this bi-polar view?

    Clearly my view is known here (go ahead and change the fed law; let's legalize weed already).... what's yours? Think this will be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?
  • Strongly Liberal
    Independent
    Seattle, WA
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Allow me to quote the beginning of an article titled The Plant of Renown:

    "Since before biblical times Marijuana has been a plant of renown, and its benefits have been recognized throughout history all over the world, until 1937 when the U.S. Government ignored the historic record and scientific research, and instead bowed to ignorant, self-righteous zealots who wanted to make it illegal.

    But, the federal government was wrong then, and it is still wrong about it, despite the fact that several states have made it legal. And, in fact, for the first time since 1937, more than half of Americans say that Marijuana usage should be made legal, according to a Gallup poll released in October 2013. Fifty-eight percent of Americans now support legalizing Marijuana, and that represents a 10-point increase from November 2012, just after Colorado and Washington voted for legalization.

    Almost 60 percent of Americans at least understand how foolish and counterproductive the prohibition on Marijuana is. But they and everyone else should know exactly why, so this article will show you.

    "I will raise up for them a Plant of Renown, and they shall no more be consumed with hunger [for truth] in the land, nor bear the shame of the heathen any more. Thus shall they know that I the Lord their God am with them, and that they are my people." (Ezekiel 34:29-30 KJV)

    What that "Plant" is has been widely misunderstood, and no wonder. The Greek Septuagint and the King James version of the Christian Bible lead people to believe the "Plant" was Jesus. However, the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) uses the term “a plantation of renown,” while the Greek Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible uses the term “a Plant of Peace.” Even the New International Version of the Christian Bible states it is “a land renowned for its crops,” and the New American Standard version states it is a "renowned planting place."

    Even so, many Christians prefer the Greek Septuagint and the King James versions because they believe that the "Plant" was Jesus. They believe the "Plant" is the same as the "sapling" or "root" in Isaiah 53:2, terms which were used as a metaphor for the son of man who now fulfills prophecy at the end of the age.

    However, Ezekiel's word "Plant" is not synonymous with the "branch" or "root" that refers to the son of man. And, if we take Ezekiel’s statement in context, we can see that even though he did speak about a "good shepherd" in many instances, the "plant" or plantation speaks of an actual plant or crop. It is called keneh bosm in Hebrew, calamus in Greek, and Cannabis Sativa (Marijuana), as even the modern Hebrew University in Israel has confirmed.

    Ezekiel was writing of a "good shepherd" or a good counselor or guide because all the other shepherds [leaders] had become self-serving and had not cared for their flocks [people] or fed the hungry or tended to them that were sick, etc.

    (Unquote)

    The article goes on the discuss the history of Marijuana, from biblical times to the present, and it reveals how and why the Plant of Renown is actually a holy sacrament when used appropriately and properly.
    .
  • Democrat
    Illinois
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Alcohol and tobacco kill more people in this country every day and we tried to make one illegal because of the street crimes.
    Today the war on all drugs is not working. Take the drugs off the street. Tax it, regulate it. Don't want it you work place, it already is. Now deal with it.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Happened today. The height of irony and contradiction; Capitol Hill continues to label marijuana a Schedule 1 drug nationwide, while simultaneously the District of Columbia that houses all of Washington has now decriminalized weed, marginalizing the punishment to essentially a slap on the wrist. Huh?!

    For those that aren't aware, here's what a Schedule 1 label means: (keep in mind, this is what they claim marijuana qualifies as..)

    Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:

    The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision

    That second line gets me the most. What a silly law. It would be funny, if it weren't responsible for getting people arrested by the hundreds or thousands yearly across the nation. As of now, its just sad. Needs to be changed. Hopefully, this hypocrisy doesn't last much longer. I mean, what's a DC DEA agent to do now? I suppose they can still arrest you by federal law, even though its locally decriminalized. Ridiculous.

    D.C. marijuana decriminalization law takes effect
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    sbf,
    In Ohio it was decriminalized many years ago. 30 or more years ago if I'm not mistaken. Decriminalized is not even in the same neighborhood as legalized. Yes fines are reduced. However.... if you have a small quantity divided into 3 different plastic bags (snack sized zip locks) the police will suggest it's split up for the purpose of selling/distributing it. You might say, No it's tonight's, tomorrows, and one for the weekend. It's all subjective.
    The best hope is that crime doe's not increase in Colorado and Washington state. Plus tax revenue increases to a point where near by states get jealous. Then maybe more minds will be open to the possibilities.
    I know a previous post or perhaps an article in the news portion of this site suggested that in the first few months of this year, crime in Colorado is in good shape. One of those rare win/win situations.
  • Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    The Raw Story, July 3, 2014: Six months after marijuana legalization: Colorado tax revenue skyrockets as crime falls

    We in Colorado are learning as we go...and modifying regulations based on common sense. That's because Democrats control all three branches of government. We could never do that if Republicans were obstructing.

    Anyway here is the latest news compliments of the Raw Story:

    "Six months on, Colorado’s marijuana shops are mushrooming, with support from local consumers, weed tourists and federal government taking a wait-and-see attitude. Tax dollars are pouring in, crime is down in Denver, and few of the early concerns about social breakdown have materialized – at least so far.

    "Denver, dubbed the “Mile High” city, now has about 340 recreational and medicinal pot shops. In the first four months, marijuana sales amounted to more than $202 million, about a third of them recreational. Taxes from recreational sales were almost $11 million.

    "Despite some critics’ fears of a pot-driven crime explosion, Denver police say burglaries and robberies were down by between 4 and 5 percent in the first four months of the year."
    -------------------------------------

    I guess that kind of sells it...
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    My point has always been that those who buy it are those that have been buying it for a very long time. But now, the previous illegal sale is a crime that has gone away and a buyer is now paying heavy taxes and a dealer is now out of business. In the past...those who didn't like it could ignore it. Not now. Is use increasing ? I don't think so. If you didn't like Tequila or Rum last year, you probably still don't like it today. A factor increasing sales and taxes is the people driving in from neighboring states to purchase. Benefits include a better quality product and testing to ensure there are not molds, bacteria or other bad things inside. I think buyers should go home to use it. Not forgetting to stop on the way home for something ('s) to eat. Stepping outside at midnight to observe the fabulous stars.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    3+ Months later....... I read that states (after Colorado and Washington have) considering legalization with a vote in 5 - 6 days include Oregon, and Alaska. Also Washington DC to go from decriminalized to legal. Florida is considering legalizing for Medical use. Other states thought to be next to put up for a vote include California, Hawaii, and Maine. It will be interesting to see how these votes go. I've seen several polls and it goes both ways. Below are a few links with related stories including one from FOX where they speak of it being a topical issue, not a political issue. I thought that was funny.

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/10/29/marijuana-backers-hope-legalization-efforts-grow-like-weed/ - - - -bad link

    http://wallstcheatsheet.com/politics/5-states-and-1-city-ready-to-legalize-marijuana.html/?a=viewall - - - - bad link

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/15/will-more-states-legalize-marijuana-in-november/ - - - - link works
  • Democrat
    Missouri
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    To many of us that served in the Vietnam War, those stories that movie makers love to show to audiences about service men smoking marijuana and doing drugs (Heroin & Opium), it was all too true. In fact the enemy that Americans were fighting were also hopped-up on many substances too make them impervious to fear. If shot, they didn't care they just kept coming. Both American and the North were both enjoying their smoking delights often. So, I'm not for legalization for the drug, but I am for stopping the injustice of people jailed/imprisoned for small amounts. The law and the use of the drug are two different issues. The law needs to change, but to allow free use of the drug is a very stupid move when alcohol already shows how it damns our control. I can see where people smoking marijuana as it becomes legal and heaven forbid go out and shoot guns. Just like alcohol, you don't drink and drive and similarly you don't smoke marijuana and go out shooting guns. Marijuana has the effect of inhibiting your emotions and what you would normally not do while not smoking, you will do while under the influence. Why people desire this ability to loose control while there is so much crap in our society is just appalling. I can't say everyone I knew smoked during Vietnam, but it was much more than 50%. Witnessing service members under the influence, you just leave them alone because they were in their own zone and not to be bothered.

    I'm afraid I'm with those that feel, why does society need marijuana. A medical reason, sure, but for everyone, no. If we can control alcohol influence than I can give marijuana a chance, but alcohol is a large problem in society. Remove the guns, like that is going to happen, America doesn't need another drug approval for people to get high and lost in reality.

    Imagine a service member that has a technical skill in nuclear or mass destruction weapon responsibilities. Do you think he/she can do drugs and have a potential to fire the weapon because at the time the drug allowed them to feel that way. Loss of control and common sense will undoubtedly contribute to misuse of technical abilities. If it comes up to my vote, I'll say "NO", however, I am very concerned with our jailed citizens over overzealous legal opinion on marijuana. For some reason, I ride the fence, which I cannot get off of it, but I still do not approve of mankind needing another drug. How can you decriminalize and inform people to use it under caution? Say it........cigarettes, alcohol, sugar, and all those foods that we're supposed to not use in excess . It's an impossible issue to solve.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    It was legalized in Colorado and aside from bringing in over 100 million in taxes, it has put dealers out of business and crime has gone down. Those are facts that are hard to deal with. Nobody has to use. Those who chose to use should only do so at home. Less violence and sloppy/erratic behavior than alcohol.
    Notice..... the trends are going in one direction. Many of todays voters are your former service mates.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Tony, Very possibly, but what I have experience is situations of where this marijuana drug should be used with caution. Legalizing it will surely show less social gains than people would desire. This is another course humanity takes to move in a direction for improvement. History may be revealed in the far future that our off spring look back on us and say we were pretty stupid for all the drugs we took. However, it's the evolutionary course of adventure into, "try it, you'll like it" mentality, we'll all handle the fallout later.

    As for Colorado and other States legalizing it...................please inform me it was not about the "MONEY". You just indicated the rewards was money. Is that your only cause to humanity.........Money?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Portland, OR
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Tony, Very possibly, but what I have experience is situations of where this marijuana drug should be used with caution. Legalizing it will surely show less social gains than people would desire. This is another course humanity takes to move in a direction for improvement. History may be revealed in the far future that our off spring look back on us and say we were pretty stupid for all the drugs we took. However, it's the evolutionary course of adventure into, "try it, you'll like it" mentality, we'll all handle the fallout later.

    As for Colorado and other States legalizing it...................please inform me it was not about the "MONEY". You just indicated the rewards was money. Is that your only cause to humanity.........Money?
    It wasn't just about the money. It was about decriminalizing something that millions of otherwise law abiding adults in this country do. It was about treating marijuana the same way we do alcohol, prescription drugs, tobacco, and other stimulants.

    We have a liquor store on damn near every corner in this country. How is that acceptable, but we should continue to lock people up for using marijuana? The government has no business determining what we should and shouldn't put in our individual bodies. You spoke of the unknown consequences with regards to crime if people are allowed to use marijuana, but every single study out there shows that marijuana does not make you more inclined to go shoot something or someone. In fact, study after study shows it has the exact opposite effect.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    No it wasn't primarily money, it was personal freedom. After a long stressful day.....many prefer not to drink alcohol but they would like to relax / unwind. I don't know what your experiences are but I've been around those who have drank and those who have smoked. The difference is that those who drank (too much) were typically meaner and more anxious to fight. Not to mention falling down and totally unfit to drive. This is nothing new...... History (look above at previous posts) will show you that it goes back to a very long time ago. Earlier last century the US became hell bent to stop it. The war on drugs never made much progress but the war cost billions as does the cost of long prison terms (mostly for people of color).
    Today, the various diseases that benefit from Medical Marijuana are very grateful as are those who want the equivalent of a couple of beers without actually drinking.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    As it appears to happen, without my vote, whatever and whenever any drug may be consumed without governmental control, thee will be the day when our off spring will say it was our fault for the calamity in delaying evolution. All the drugs you wish to consume, but not one of them is the essence of developing a being capable of improved life. It is today's mankind that needs or requires a drug to succeed. One day, that will change, just like fashion wear and our children will think how stupid we were in promoting drugs in a lifestyle.

    But we will not care, will we? No, we will all be dead and gone. I'll be heaven for sure, so there's hope without dope!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Portland, OR
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: As it appears to happen, without my vote, whatever and whenever any drug may be consumed without governmental control, thee will be the day when our off spring will say it was our fault for the calamity in delaying evolution. All the drugs you wish to consume, but not one of them is the essence of developing a being capable of improved life. It is today's mankind that needs or requires a drug to succeed. One day, that will change, just like fashion wear and our children will think how stupid we were in promoting drugs in a lifestyle.

    But we will not care, will we? No, we will all be dead and gone. I'll be heaven for sure, so there's hope without dope!
    I just don't understand why you care so much what someone does with their own body. People will do what they want to do to their bodies, legal or not. Why does it matter?

    Stimulants have been around for thousands of years. Why do you care if one more stimulate is added to the list? Marijuana is a plant. Anyone who claims they are religious thinks that plants come 'from God.' Why would God create a plant that he doesn't want his people to consume?