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  • Democrat
    Port Richey, FL
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    This DAV, 'Nam, may lose home if Shutdown goes past the end of the month. And I'm just one of millions...
    Welcome to the 2nd "Great Depression". Thanks GOP!!!
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    I doubt a depression will result from this shutdown. But can you be a little more specific about your situation and how this affects you and other veterans?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    It takes to tango, granted the GOP forced the issue but the Dems are as much to blame as the GOP for this current situation because of their Liberal Agenda of healthcare for everyone and damn the costs. I think the veterans are getting screwed because their checks won't be forthcoming both retiree's and the disabled vets.
  • Independent
    east northport, NY
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    What is being left out of the conversation is this; The President is the president of the entire United States not just one part. The GOP in the house is responsible just to their district. How can the few dictate to the many?
  • Democrat
    Florida
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    I'm trying to figure out why nobody will call this debacle what it is - IT IS THE TEA PARTY SHUTDOWN! We need to start driving that home to people - THE TEA PARTY SHUTDOWN - so we can link these radical chowderheads to the mess they have created FOREVER!!!
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    johnnycee Wrote: It takes to tango, granted the GOP forced the issue but the Dems are as much to blame as the GOP for this current situation because of their Liberal Agenda of healthcare for everyone and damn the costs. I think the veterans are getting screwed because their checks won't be forthcoming both retiree's and the disabled vets.
    The Dems are not as much to blame. Currently, the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. It was voted into law, held up in courts, and survived nearly 50 repeal attempts. It's fine if you don't like a law. You can try and repeal it over and over again. But if the votes don't go your way time, you don't throw a hissy fit and hold the functionality of the government hostage. That is extremism. The thing about Government is, sometimes the votes don't go your way.

    Here are some reasonable courses of action the GOP can take:
    -Refuse to vote bipartisan on other legislation.
    -Vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act
    -Lobby and campaign against the legislation

    Shutting down the government and forcible sending 800,000 Americans home without pay until you get your way is childish, irresponsible, and not how a healthy democracy functions. And I assure you, if the roles were reversed and it was the Dems holding the government hostage, I would be saying the EXACT same thing.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    When the Senate Leader refuses to submit a Budget for over 4 years now, including this years budget and refuses to listen about any hardships that this Act may cause tells me that he also has a big hand in this mess, no one wants to set aside their ego's and do the right thing for all Americans, because they are worried about their re-election bids and loss of power.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    johnnycee Wrote: When the Senate Leader refuses to submit a Budget for over 4 years now, including this years budget and refuses to listen about any hardships that this Act may cause tells me that he also has a big hand in this mess, no one wants to set aside their ego's and do the right thing for all Americans, because they are worried about their re-election bids and loss of power.
    Submitting a budget is not the job of the Senate leader. It never has been. The President submits a budget. And he has done so. Also, what hardships this bill MAY cause? This bill will alleviate far more hardships than it will cause. Far, far more. There are some things that might be a pain in the ass about it but I would hardly call minor inconveniences "hardships."
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    The President does submit a budget but both houses must agree on it, the President 's budget's was not even endorsed by the majority and in fact was voted down with not one democrat voting for it, and as for the House Budget submission, Harry Reid won't even allow a vote on it, he would rather use the Continuing Resolution and then vote for any additional funds as they are needed. This way none of the Democrat Senators who may be on the bubble in their own districts won't have to contend with a backlash from any votes that their voters might not agree with. As for hardships think of all those people that are being cut back hours or even days and asked to pay for their own healthcare with the reduced wages, I think they may think that there is a hardship. Now according to the latest count ,4.5 million people have signed up in the last day or say, regardless of the glitch's, that's 4.5 million out of 40 million that are supposed to be eligible, It was projected that 25% of the eligible would not sign up but would rather pay the $95.00 fine instead at least for now, This Act is supposed to place on the shoulders of the younger workers the cost of the Act, but that is not going to happen, that is why this Act will fail. Sen. Reid won't even entertain that possibility because he wants a legacy for the President and of course for his Democratic Party with him as its Senate Leader.
  • Democrat
    Tulsa, OK
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    Our Prices Are Too Low
    Red State, Koch-and-tea party mantra:
    “If we were the richest country in the world we would have 17 trillion dollars in the bank, not 17 trillion dollars of debt. STOP spending!!! No more borrowing from CHINA! WE ARE BROKE! Live within our means, simple as that!”
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    Response: Yes, we ARE the richest nation in the world. And we DO have the money in the banks. But it is owned by the banks and corporations, not the nation.
    The banks made the money, and paid obscene bonuses to their CEOs, after they had crashed the economy and the struggling middle class bailed them out from bankruptcy. AND the rest of the riches are stashed away in offshore accounts by corporations that are earning the highest profits they have ever earned. And paying the lowest taxes.
    The national government is a "service" industry. It provides services to its citizens. We have a debt problem only because we do not charge enough for those services.
    If you ran a landscaping company and charged your richest customers only half what it costs to pay for supplies and workers, you would go deeper and deeper in debt until you faced bankruptcy. That, in effect, is what our government has done. But it does not need to be that way.
    It is not a matter of spending too much. It is a matter of charging too little for the services we perform.
    We made two big mistakes.
    First, we cut taxes way too low for the richest 10 percent. They earn nearly half of all the income in the nation.
    Second, we stopped regulating Wall Street banks and let them run wild until they crashed the whole economy. This threw people out of work at the same time we were fighting two wars on borrowed money.
    So, we have had to borrow more money to pay unemployment compensation and food stamps for those who lost their jobs because of our government's two big mistakes. Without that help, the unemployed would starve.
    At the end of World War II, we knew what was required in a big-debt crisis. Our debt from war expenses was equal to the total amount of income we produced in a year (known as Gross Domestic Product, or GDP). So, in 1944-45 we taxed our wealthiest people at 94 percent on the highest bracket of their income. And we used that money to put the ex-military to work building the interstate highway system, rebuilding Europe under the Marshall Plan, and sending GIs to college under the GI Bill. (The GI Bill, incidentally, not only prepared returning GIs for good jobs, it created new jobs for university faculty and staff.)

    And here's what happened. We still borrowed money, but we produced more income than we spent, and we collected taxes on that income. In terms of dollars, the debt continued to grow, but as a percent of the nation's wealth (GDP), it dropped from being equal to our total national income down to only one-third by 1980, the year President Reagan was elected. We had some ups and downs, but overall we prospered.

    Then Reagan changed course. He cut taxes and increased spending (for Star Wars missile defense, etc.). In doing so, he and Bush the First pushed the debt back up to two-thirds of GDP. When Bill Clinton was elected President, the debt ratio dropped again by ten percent and we had an annual surplus.

    But then we elected Bush the Second. His administration pushed the debt up to a new high of 86 percent of GDP. He did it by cutting taxes while spending more. And the Great Recession began.

    In 2008 we elected President Obama to try to fix that mess. But Republicans have opposed him every step of the way. As a result of Bush the Second's tax cuts, billionaires such as Warren Buffett pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries do. Take one example.

    In 2011 Wall Street's richest hedge fund billionaire, Raymond Dalio, earned $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS AN HOUR. His yearly income was $3 billion. But he paid only 15 percent in taxes, which is less than a median income American worker pays.

    Everyone benefits from government services of one kind or another. The reason we have such a high debt is that we practically give away those services to the very rich while the poor and middle class struggle to pay the bills.
    For more, see my blog at http://byersaware.blogspot.com/.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    johnycee --

    You are misinformed again.

    Zach is right. The President of the United States submits his budget proposal every year. As per Wikipedia:

    United States budget process


    "The President submits the budget request each year to Congress for the following fiscal year, as required by the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. Current law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a))[5] requires the President to submit a budget no earlier than the first Monday in January, and no later than the first Monday in February. Typically, Presidents submit budgets on the first Monday in February.

    "The President's budget request constitutes an extensive proposal of the administration's intended spending and revenue plans for the following fiscal year. The budget proposal includes volumes of supporting information intended to persuade Congress of the necessity and value of the budget provisions. In addition, each federal executive department and independent agency provides additional detail and supporting documentation to Congress on its own funding requests.

    "The United States House Committee on the Budget and the United States Senate Committee on the Budget then draft a budget resolution. Following the traditional calendar, both committees finalize their draft resolution by early April and submit it to their respective floors for consideration and adoption.

    "A budget resolution is a concurrent resolution that binds Congress, but is not a law, and so does not require the President's signature. The budget resolution serves as a blueprint for the actual appropriation process, and provides Congress with some control over the appropriations process. No new spending authority, however, is provided until appropriation bills are enacted.

    "Once both houses pass the resolution, selected Representatives and Senators negotiate a conference report to reconcile differences between the House and the Senate versions. The conference report, in order to become binding, must be approved by both the House and Senate."


    Regarding the $95 fee for not enrolling in the Affordable Care Act, it is only $95 for 2014 or 1 percent of income. However, for 2015 it increases to $325 or 2 percent of income and for 2016 it increases yet again to $695 or 2.5 percent of income.

    My guess is that by 2016 everyone will be on board.

    The estimate is that 30 million uninsured will eventually sign up. They have six months to do it. Many are being careful and considerate in their decisons. It's a big decision and you cannot possibly expect 30 million people to be signed up in the first week. The system cannot handle that volume. And in any case, the premiums do not go into effect until January 1st.

    I suggest you quit watching Fox News...you are ecohing their talking points again, and Fox News has been trying to sabotage the Affordable Care Act ever since President Obama was elected.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    And how am I misinformed, the budget that the President sends down to the congress must be approved by both houses, which Sen. Harry Reid has refused to do, for the past 4 years, and as far as the fines are concerned the young workers will take the risk and not pay until 2016 when the IRS will begin enforcing the rule, that's what, 2 1/2 years of not supporting/funding the AFA , the estimate was closer to 40 million and so far only 4.5 million have signed up, and as for the many glitch's the Administration has spent millions for this very reason to insure a smooth transition and failed, what did our money buy? and I wish you stop thinking that I am a shill for Fox, as I have an Independent mind and perhaps Fox is only reporting what many people like myself actually feel.
  • Democrat
    Salem, OR
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    I am retired Navy and I am ashamed of our government! I am a patriot to our country but I am ashamed! The foundation of our country is our constitution and it begins "We the People" not "We the GOP". Our country is suffering because of the ideology that to achieve a goal you must make people suffer, a time when the country needs to come together instead we falter to the methodology of using our financial future as a chess piece to stop medical care. Right or wrong these people who have very good medical care, seek to destroy medical care change instead making it work and supporting it. Right or wrong it is progress. I welcome comments to my opinion of the subject of the GOP holding America hostage
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    johnnycee Wrote: And how am I misinformed, the budget that the President sends down to the congress must be approved by both houses, which Sen. Harry Reid has refused to do, for the past 4 years, and as far as the fines are concerned the young workers will take the risk and not pay until 2016 when the IRS will begin enforcing the rule, that's what, 2 1/2 years of not supporting/funding the AFA , the estimate was closer to 40 million and so far only 4.5 million have signed up, and as for the many glitch's the Administration has spent millions for this very reason to insure a smooth transition and failed, what did our money buy? and I wish you stop thinking that I am a shill for Fox, as I have an Independent mind and perhaps Fox is only reporting what many people like myself actually feel.
    Johnnycee --

    You are indeed acting like a shrill for the Fox News agenda...or rather the Australian billionaire Rupert Murdoch misinformation machine. Let's face it. Rupert Murdoch makes big money by selling misinformation to an ignorant public. I have followed them for years and the Affordable Care Act is just a part of their "hate Obama" campaign.

    I have read all your negative comments about the Affordable Care Act all over this website. They are the Rupert Murdoch talking points repeated again and again and again. I have not read any comments by you extolling the fact that millions of uninsured people are now finally being allowed to purchase health insurance from private insurance companies on an exchange where they can compare policies and pick and choose in plain language. This is the free market at work, but Rupert Murdoch does not believe in the free market. He is a corporate socialist...or maybe a better term is fascist.

    The law is not going to change. The President worked too hard for it. It is the law of the land and if Republicans want to repeal it they should run for office on that agenda and then pass new laws repealing it. Oh that happened in the last election. Repeal, repeal, repeal was the charge of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan everywhere they went...again and again and again. The American people said no to that in a very big way.

    So it's time that you and the Republicans get on board with it. Nothing will change.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Schmidt you say ..."The law is not going to change." and "Nothing will change."...

    It has already changed. When the law was signed it did not give exemptions for big business, did it?

    So, you are wrong, change has already occurred. I agree with johnny that all the exemptions make it harder for many Americans to accept it.

    No exemptions and no exceptions and then let's see how well it is accepted by the American people.