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War with Iran looming?

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  • Center Left
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    Israel's Netanyahu, Obama and others are in agreement, they must stop Iran and their nuclear weapon development. Obama has said several times that the U.S. will go as far as military involvement to make sure that Iran doesn't proceed down this road. World leaders, including Obama and Netenyahu will met up in Geneva on October 15th to discuss further action against Iran. What do you think will eventually happen with our involvement in Iran? Does this all spell out to eventual and inevitable war with Iran?

    And secondly, doesn't it always seem convenient and too coincidental that we almost always have some huge headline in the U.S (government shutdown this time) that helps to derail focus away from our foreign affairs? Do you think that this is just a coincidence? Or, as it seems to almost always be the case, perhaps its tactical timing on the White House admin's part?
  • Other Party
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    Hopefully there won't be a long-term shootin war with Iran. If it happens, and it is very possible, then Israel will probably be the ones taking care of their business as they usually do, with or without US assistance.

    Why is Iran suddenly perceived as being so friendly to us? Because of a new president? He's just a figurehead. The regime which rules the country has NOT changed, and neither have their nuke goals. If they want to make nice with us then that is a great thing, but to trust them just because they suddenly change their tone? We should be skeptical, very skeptical. Just like Syria and their chemicals we should trust but verify, and verify, and verify, and that goes for everything they say or do.

    A nuke capable Iran threatens Israel more than us or anyone else, but the threat to us is very real also. Israel may no longer be deterred from taking out Iran's nuke facilities by the US because President Obama is perceived as being so weak.

    The Syrian "Red Line" incident proves that the US foreign policy is a pretty much nonexistent, and we have no credibility in the eyes of world leaders. We may have held Israel back in the recent past, but if they really think that Iran is on the verge of completing a nuke, then why wouldn't the act proactively to defend themselves?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Israel will defend itself from all of her enemies, with or without the USA permission or help. we ,the United States can no longer be trusted to defend our allies, which is very sad as we used to be the sole holder of the Banner for Justice and Freedom for all asked for it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Israel will defend itself from all of her enemies, with or without the USA permission or help. we ,the United States can no longer be trusted to defend our allies, which is very sad as we used to be the sole holder of the Banner for Justice and Freedom for all asked for it.
    I think the Palestinians would have a far different view of this. The Israeli's are using the weapons that we provide their government against them on a daily basis.
  • Other Party
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    johnny Israel will do what they think they have to do, but in the past they have been at least partly restrained by the US. I think they have now lost much respect for the US, and also that time to prevent Iran from getting the nuke is growing very short. Would anyone be surprised if they take action, and soon? With or without help from the US?

    jared are you referring to the Palestinians which use the weapons that are provided to them that they use against Israel on a daily basis? You mean THOSE Palestinians?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jamesn Wrote: jared are you referring to the Palestinians which use the weapons that are provided to them that they use against Israel on a daily basis? You mean THOSE Palestinians?
    Unfortunately, far more innocent Palestinian civilians are killed from Israeli strikes than "terrorists." So many Palestinian's have completely given up hope that the occupation of their land will ever end, so do you blame them for resorting to armed conflict? They have been occupied since the 1967 war. That is over forty-five years now. Can you honestly say that they are the ones at fault here?

    With regards to Iran--the Israelis can say they did it alone all they want, but Iran would respond to an attack by placing blame on both Israel and the US. One has to remember that we provide Israel with a big chunk of their weaponry. Iran looks at the two countries as one in the same and I would be hard pressed to believe that we wouldn't be sucked into yet another Middle-Eastern war because our Israeli partners decided to attack Iran. Israel would have to attack with overwhelming force because Iran's nuclear program is spread all throughout their entire country and I doubt that they have the capability to pull off such a huge mission without our tacit help.
  • Democrat
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    No one truly knows a terrorist before they want it known that they are in fact a terrorist, so maybe some of those innocent civilians were in fact terrorists after all.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: No one truly knows a terrorist before they want it known that they are in fact a terrorist, so maybe some of those innocent civilians were in fact terrorists after all.
    If you use that logic, then couldn't the Iranian's and other's that disagree with Israel and the United States say the exact same thing about Israeli's occupying and killing Palestinian's in their territories?
  • Democrat
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    Number one , just because the Palestinians say that Israel is an occupier does not make it so, Number 2 the killings in the Gaza strip by Israel is usually a type of reprisal raids after a suicide bombing that kills numerous civilians in the region. As for your logic of the nature of occupying is nothing more than an intellectual mind game, should the United States give back to the Native Americans the land they occupied, should Mexico give back the land to those natives that Spain occupied, and so on and so on. I stand by my statement that you cannot know a terrorist before he wants to be known, now my logic can be applied to any other criminal act , your not a thief until you steal, same as a drug user, you have to show some kind of intent and a reasonable step in that direction.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Number one , just because the Palestinians say that Israel is an occupier does not make it so,
    Please inform me what you would call thousands of Israeli solider's on lands that are not recognized by the international community other than an occupation? The Israeli's went to war and took land that was not theirs after the 1967 war. They did not give these Palestinians any rights and they withhold money that belongs to the Palestinians. If it is not an occupation, I'm interested to know what you would call it.

    With regards to everything else, we will just have to agree to disagree.
  • Democrat
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    Before you make further comment check out the British Mandate of 1948, they were part of an International body at the time. The 1967 war was started by the Arab counties that surround the Nation of Israel in an attempt to wipe them out, the Golan Heights were being used as a base camp for firing rockets into Israel, they were taken by the Israeli's and some time later given back to Jordan as a peace making gesture, most of the land seized by Israel was to insure it's own safety and provide security for it's citizens. BTW, Every nation has been at one time or another a occupier and some still are, this the price one pays for war. You think Mexico wants Texas back, perhaps Spain may need California back, nyahh, not California, their broker than Spain is. But trust me when I say regarding the Palestine Issue, if it wasn't about the land being what they call occupied, it would be something else with the same ramifications. It's all about getting rid of the Nation of Israel period.
  • Independent
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    Sorry to say, what is happening over there is peanuts of what will happen here; the Israel/palestinian saga continues as it has done since WWII, so talking about it, does not change the situation. As was said with Syria, the whole region is in turmoil and will stay that until something drastic may happen. ( Do not hope so!!)
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Before you make further comment check out the British Mandate of 1948, they were part of an International body at the time.
    We can disagree without your questioning of my intellect of world history. Your view of the conflict in the greater middle east is far different than mine.

    If we could get back on to the main topic of Iran, I stand by my assessment that there is zero chance we would not get sucked in to yet another war if Israel strikes. Israel would be using the weapons we provided them. Does anyone actually believe that Iran would not place just as much blame on us and retaliate against the countless American targets in the region?
  • Democrat
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    Of course they would, even if we didn't have anything to do with it, but hell, even I would not believe our non-involvement in any event of that size politically or otherwise.
  • Other Party
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    jamesn Wrote: jared are you referring to the Palestinians which use the weapons that are provided to them that they use against Israel on a daily basis? You mean THOSE Palestinians?
    Unfortunately, far more innocent Palestinian civilians are killed from Israeli strikes than "terrorists." So many Palestinian's have completely given up hope that the occupation of their land will ever end, so do you blame them for resorting to armed conflict? They have been occupied since the 1967 war. That is over forty-five years now. Can you honestly say that they are the ones at fault here?

    With regards to Iran--the Israelis can say they did it alone all they want, but Iran would respond to an attack by placing blame on both Israel and the US. One has to remember that we provide Israel with a big chunk of their weaponry. Iran looks at the two countries as one in the same and I would be hard pressed to believe that we wouldn't be sucked into yet another Middle-Eastern war because our Israeli partners decided to attack Iran. Israel would have to attack with overwhelming force because Iran's nuclear program is spread all throughout their entire country and I doubt that they have the capability to pull off such a huge mission without our tacit help.
    jared if you doubt Israel's capability to ..."pull off such a huge mission"..., I would just say that many people have doubted Israel's abilities in the past and have been surprised by how well her military can perform. Just ask her Arab neighbors who have suffered big losses in various conflicts.

    Yes the US would probably support Israel, maybe not directly, but possibly with satellite imagery, intel, even aerial refueling, but maybe Israel could do it all themselves. They seem to be willing to go it alone if need be.

    Betting against Israel's military is usually a losing proposition.