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loonytoonville's government shutdown

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  • Democrat
    Julian, CA
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    The world is watching a once great government deteriorate into loonytoon antics that threaten a fragile world economy. America is still in a deep recession with 40 million unemployed and its criminally irresponsible, corrupt (owned and operated by the Robber Barons and their Stooges) government is incapable of resolving the serious problems facing this nation.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    We can only hope that we have a decent, qualified, experienced candidate to vote for in the next presidential election, which has not been the case in recent elections.

    And vote out as many incumbent members of Congress as possible. They all need to go.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Related to the shutdown, here is another piece of how our government spends our money; they absolutely are a bunch of useless lunatics.

    Just received the following piece; the Pentagon received a golden deal onthe evening of the shutdown as follows:



    Pentagon Spent $5 Billion on Weapons on the Eve of the Shutdown
    Posted By John Reed Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - 2:00 PM Share

    The Pentagon pumped billions of dollars into contractors' bank accounts on the eve of the U.S. government's shutdown that saw 400,000 Defense Department employees furloughed.

    All told, the Pentagon awarded 94 contracts yesterday evening on its annual end-of-the-fiscal-year spending spree, spending more than five billion dollars on everything from robot submarines to Finnish hand grenades and a radar base mounted on an offshore oil platform. To put things in perspective, the Pentagon gave out only 14 contracts on September 3, the first workday of the month.

    Here are some of the more interesting purchases from Monday's dollar-dump.

    First up: the Defense Logistics Agency, the Pentagon branch that provides the armed services with things like fuel and spare parts. DLA has the honor of dropping the most cash in one contract last night with the $2.5 billion award it gave to aircraft engine-maker Pratt & Whitney for "various weapons system spare parts" used by the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. Other highlights of DLA's last-minute spree included: $65 million for military helmets from BAE Systems, $24 million for "traveling wave tubes" to amplify radio signals from Thales, $17 million for liquid nitrogen, $15 million for helium and $19 million on cots. Yes, cots.

    Then came the Navy. The sea service spent hundreds of millions of dollars on 31 contracts buying everything from high-tech Finnish hand grenades to janitorial services.

    The service's biggest contracts were aimed at protecting ships from underwater attack. It gave Lockheed Martin a total of $139 million for sonar that allows Arleigh Burke-class destroyers to detect submarines and underwater mines. The Navy is also buying $40 million worth of hand grenades made in Vihtavuori, Finland that allow "users to choose the level of blast needed for the situation." Another $18 million is going to Phoenix International Holdings to operate a robot submarine called the Submarine Rescue Diving and Recompression System that can save people from disabled subs sitting up to 2,000 feet underwater.

    Not everything the Navy spent its end of year cash on was high tech, however. The service also gave $64 million contract to build a new fuel pier in Point Loma, Calif. It also added $9 million onto an existing $138 million contract for janitors at Navy medical centers in San Diego.

    The Air Force, traditionally DOD's biggest spender, was relatively restrained; it dished out only 17 contracts. One of the big themes of the Air Force's spend was spying. The service spent cash on everything from spy satellites to drones to planes that can be used to hunt drug dealers.

    The air service gave General Atomics $49 million to help France buy 16 MQ-9 Reaper drones. It also dished out $64 million to Lockheed for help operating spy satellites that are equipped with infrared cameras. Another $9 million went to URS Corp. for maintenance work on the Air National Guard's fleet of RC-26B spyplanes that help domestic law enforcement agencies catch drug dealers. Johns Hopkins University got $7 million from the Air Force Research Lab to develop software that can monitor raw communications signals and images collected around the world to detect significant "events" in real time. $8 million is going to a company called McCrone Associates to analyze particles in order to ensure someone is complying international ban on nuclear weapons tests. It doesn't say who that someone is or what type of particles are being analyzed.

    The service also spent $9 million on a new gym at the Air Force Academy that includes areas for CrossFit training, space for the academy's Triathlon Club and a "television studio."

    The Army only had a couple of relatively large contracts last night. The first was a $600 million award spread out between nine companies to develop alternative energy projects for the Army Corps of Engineers. The ground service also spent $200 million on for Interceptor-brand body armor made by Federal Prisons Industries for sales to other countries. In addition to these deals, the service gave out plenty of relatively small contracts -- and relatively is an important word here -- for everything from renovations on a reserve center in New Jersey to the purchase of 60 Mercedes Benz trucks for African countries.

    The Missile Defense Agency (MDA) gave Raytheon $230 million to support operation of the massive, sea-going X-band radar station that MDA uses to detect ballistic missile launches in Asia. MDA also gave Trex Enterprises $6 million for telescope mirrors that are impervious to changes in temperature.

    The Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the Pentagon's arm responsible for defeating threats posed by weapons of mass destruction, gave Johns Hopkins University $9 million for research into detecting "chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosive material."

    Finally, U.S. Special Operations Command got in on the spending last night, giving out one $49 million contract to Boeing for development work on an upgraded version of the Army's MH-6 Little Bird chopper.

    This goes to show that even when the federal government is shutdown and the military has temporarily lost half its civilian workforce, the Pentagon can spend money like almost no one else.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    The first rule of governing, do not under any circumstance piss off the military, they have the guns and some are pretty damn big.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: The first rule of governing, do not under any circumstance piss off the military, they have the guns and some are pretty damn big.
    By stating that you imply that the military runs this country; so why have elections?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I am not implying anything other than don't piss off those who you want as your guardians, that's just common sense, the Military does not run the country although they spend a hell of a lot of the country's ( Taxpayer)money, their job is to insure the safety of the country and how safe do you think we would be if we didn't pay for it, there are very few soldiers in the world who will risk their lives for nothing. Patriotism does not pay the bills. The Constitution itself lays out the rules for maintaining a Militia, Army and Navy with the subsequent appropriations for the Armed forces.
  • Republican
    Madera, CA
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    I,for one am fed up with the "Looney Tune" antics of our so called government. I am leaving the Republican party. I hope each and every one of those scum suckers get replaced in the next election.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: I am not implying anything other than don't piss off those who you want as your guardians, that's just common sense, the Military does not run the country although they spend a hell of a lot of the country's ( Taxpayer)money, their job is to insure the safety of the country and how safe do you think we would be if we didn't pay for it, there are very few soldiers in the world who will risk their lives for nothing. Patriotism does not pay the bills. The Constitution itself lays out the rules for maintaining a Militia, Army and Navy with the subsequent appropriations for the Armed forces.
    Johnny, I guess you got the wrong picture; the Pentagon is purely spending like crazy; do we really need 200 million dollar plus a piece planes? do not let me laugh. The expenditure is pure waste, unless you expect WWIII tomorrow. No we are at the mercy of these total idiots; that is why we are broke!!

    Guess how much useless junk is stored in Afghanistan; and in the desert here; what did you get for your tax money?" Protection" and this keeps us safe is total BS. If the US finally learns they are not the only country in the world and dictates others what they can do or bribe them, then you would not need all this totally overdone protection. It is like killing mosquito's with a Sherman tank. The waste is absolutely unbelievable; when is this country going to be for the people itself instead of the military? Everything you do or see it has the word military on it; pathetic.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I am totally against their wild spending and the need for bigger toys, my comment was only to say that denying the men and women who protect us and keep the dark away and you won't pay them is rather foolish.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: I am totally against their wild spending and the need for bigger toys, my comment was only to say that denying the men and women who protect us and keep the dark away and you won't pay them is rather foolish.
    Sure I agree with you that these people should be paid. However that we have to pay way too many of them is a self inflicted wound, because of our war mongering. Just about every family here has or had a memmber in the forces; because of our lovely wars since 1945.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    You lost me, what is considered too many, what happens when there isn't enough, I resent the expensive toys that the military demands and damn gets every time, I resent the fact the lowest bidder gets the contract, then jacks up the price and blames cost overruns. just remember the USSR collapsed mostly because of its defense spending, they flat ran out of money.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Dutch and johnny I think most if not all of us agree that the pentagon is too bloated, too big, too expensive...but that doesn't mean those troops and working people should go without their pay, because this is not their fault.

    Reduce the size of the DOD, I think that is a terrific idea, a lot of the federal government should be reduced in size, but that is a subject for a different thread. This is about the shutdown.

    And continuing the discussion on the shutdown, reports this morning are that Congress is still planning to go home this weekend, and weekend for Congress usually means they leave town on Thursday night, so it's business as usual for those idiots. They should all be locked up in a room until they can agree to get the government going again.

    Also President Obama is still scheduled to leave this weekend on official business/shopping trip/vacation. He and all of them should cancel everything until they get this resolved.

    We should vote them all out.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    It's not even that the military is asking for the stuff. For example, back in April, military explicitly told Congress that it does not need any more tanks. So what does Congress do? They buy more tanks. This charge was led by the "fiscally aware" Rob Portman and Jim Jordan. They say they want to cut government spending but instead just spend it else where. They care little for what this country actually needs and more for wants of whoever gives them the most donation money.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Zach you are exactly right it was not the Army asking for the tanks, and it was not even the Congress making the decision. It was the big money lobbyists who made the decision and pushed their decision through our government.

    The same government that is supposed to be "For the people" but is anything but. The truth is they are "For the money" and we all know it and let's vote them out.