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Sit Back And Marvel at Another Round of Republican Russian Roulette


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    I understand the Affordable Care Act is a Law, bad choice of words on my part, however the net results so far on the benefits of this law is minor compared to the chaos it has created so far, and its not even fully implimeted, those who have supported the Bill during the process of it becoming law have asked for and in cases received exemptions from it because of the cost factor and other considerations, and its not a single party opposition ,the opposition includes Union leaders, Big. Corp. employees, along with government workers themselves. The then Senate Majority Leader, Nancy Pelosi, said that we had to pass it before we read it, well, the Congressmen and women read it and after reading it now they want no part of it, the ripple effect was not well thought out, it was good idea ,one that was needed to rein in the rising cost medical care but the logistics are turning into a nightmare.
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    Republicans are afraid if the law goes into effect, the American people will love it once they get it started and then the republicans
    won't be able to take it away. Remember they want to get rid of snap, trying to mess with social security and medicare. They do not want
    to help the middle class, the poor in any way, if you don't like slave wages, Tough!! Every man for themselves and they
    have the gall to say their Christians.
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    The GOP did everything they could to NOT pass "MEDICARE" back in the past. It is just part of their agenda to OPPOSE any kind of programs that benefit the poor or middle class. But, as we should always keep in mind, MOST of our best "allies" have FREE HEALTH CARE, & they are not going broke or losing their human rights. (France, England, Canada, to name a few).

    This whole ANTI - OBAMACARE is just a part of Republican Plan to "dismantle" our Govt, -- they have our Congress so tied in knots due to the bribery of Norquist in the House of Reps, -- and they have the Supreme Court bought & paid for by the Koch Bros. They have the public so brain-washed that they can't spell CAT, -- and so many of our past elections have been "rigged," like 2 for Geo "W" Bush. The GOP agenda has for a very long time been subversive, trying to destroy the American concept of Govt (democracy) & by deceit, brain-washing, treachery, subversion, & any other means to dismantle & destroy the US Govt. If we can't undo Grover Norquist's stranglehold on idiots in the House of Reps, then we can't get anything meaningful done in Congress. This cripples & paralyzes the biggest Super Power in the world. THINK ABOUT IT, -- I have tried to explain how this was done, starting in 1958, the JBS (now the Tea Party) is a Trojan Horse, & its sole purpose is to disrupt & destroy our Govt. IF WE CANNOT SEE that for WHAT IT IS, and DO SOMETHING, then we as a nation are doomed. Right now their primary emphasis is on dismantling and destroying our ECONOMY. That is why they are "pretending" that Obamacare is why they are shutting down the govt. BUT IN REALITY THEY DO WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVT, because they are under-cover UNAMERICAN. I have never known the exact word to use to describe the JBS and the TEA PARTY, but they sure are more Fascist & Oligarchy than they are Pure American. Other Fascist groups include Nazi's and some forms of Communists. They want to CONTROL the people, NOT to serve them. They want us to be slaves or submissive workers, NOT voting citizens. Just look at what they are trying to do to our VOTING rights, & our Rights to make our own personal decisions for our own bodies. They are trying to cut money for education, because the dumber we are, the easier we are to "control" & brain-wash. They don't care if our elderly people starve, as they can always get cheap foreign labor. The Tea Party gang & Birchers are totally brain-washed so they are like Robots. You notice that reason has no effect on them. Facts have no effect on them. History or even Logic has no effect on them. (That is why they can never get it thru their head that Obama is an American citizen & born in Hawaii). They probably don't even know Hawaii is 50th state of USA, & 50th star in our flag.

    But the important fact is, we are coming up on October 1st. The GOP is threatening to "shut down our govt" --- & if a Russian or Chinese came over here and threatened to shut down our govt, ---- Would we just be sitting here, doing nothing? Under "W" Bush, our troops (overseas) could not listen to anything but Fox News & people like Rush Limbaugh. Why? Because it is beneficial to the GOP to have "OUR OWN US TROOPS brainwashed to obey only orders given by right wing leaders. They have our OWN MILITARY brain-washed AGAINST US. They would blindly follow orders & KILL GEORGE WASHINGTON, if Rush Limbaugh told them to. But now, they are being "conditioned" by brainwashing techniques, to Hate Obama & to Hate democracy, and to SHUT DOWN OUR OWN GOVT, if told to by the nutball branch of the GOP. However, I am beginning to see that they are not all CRAZY, despite how they talk. Instead of being Psycho's, they are doing some subtle kinds of Psy-Ops, which says not to worry about that crazy funny bunch of clowns, as they are harmless idiots, (but actually they are subverting our govt in horrible ways, right in front of our eyes, and NOBODY can SEE IT, --- so nobody is doing anything to STOP this TRAINWRECK. I keep hoping that someone HIGH UP will begin to use some counter-force BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. You know, we take our freedom for granted. But there is NOTHING more IMPORTANT.
    Our Founding Fathers said, "We pledge our lives, our fortunes, & our sacred honor" to build this nation, "with liberty & justice for all." Are we just going to let it slip away? Will mankind go back to chains & drudgery? One small step for man, A GIANT LEAP BACKWARD for Mankind.
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    To Eternal Flame; Hate the Tea Party? Want to get rid of them? Here's how to do it. Pay off the 16-17 trillion dollar National Debt we owe and save ourselves 400 billion dollars in interest each year and they would probably go home happy campers.
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    thjefferson wouldn't it be nice to pay off the debt? It will never happen but while we are dreaming, wouldn't it be nice?

    No, the national debt is the biggest threat to America, bigger than terrorism, bigger than anything. You can argue that terrorism might go away, or be avoided, or countered, but not the debt, it's not going anywhere. It will only get bigger until our once proud nation is completely ruined. The debt is a sure thing.

    One of our Congreessmen was on the radio this morning debating and he actually said the debt is getting smaller! He is obviously confused, it is the DEFECIT that is getting a little smaller, but the national debt continues to grow. This idiot does not even know the difference between the debt and the defecit! And he is serving in Congress!

    Most of our politicians probably know the difference, they just do not care. They just want to line their own pockets, and all else is secondary.

    No, the debt is one major reason why the TEA PARTY is not going anywhere.
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    jamesn; you're right! It won't happen; but just a little fiscal responsibility from our Congress would be a breath of fresh air. But, that requires discipline and tightening the budget leaves less money to buy votes with.
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    Just what side is extorting whom, the Democrats say they need the whole CR or the government shuts down ,the Republicans say every thing but the ACA will be funded, or the government shuts down, both sides say they are done talking, what the hell, is this kind of school yard turf battle, or a neighborhood boundary squabble, what ever happens, I hope the American people remember this come voting day, and assess the blame accordingly, this is not a single party issue, both parties are so afraid of losing their seats that they will side with whatever side looks like it will be victorious in the mid-term elections, This is the government we elected, so demand truthful answers and stop with the name calling and tell the truth why so many corporations want and got exemptions, ditto with the congress and now the major unions want the same considerations that both the corporation and congress got, the only ones not getting any consideration is the individual citizens. Why?? BTW, these folks were big supporters of the original Affordable Care Act.

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    thjefferson we agree that fiscal responsibility by Congress would be a breath of fresh air. Actually it would be more like a pipe dream or a fantasy.

    It's not going to happen and you and I both know it.

    We should establish term limits for Congress and tie their pay to the federal budget. Every percentage point that we have as a federal defecit, then the same percentage comes off their pay, or something like that.

    Maybe the threat to their paycheck would get their attention. Just maybe. Some of them probably make so much more in kickbacks, bribes, payoffs, back room deals that their federal paycheck pales in significance.
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    Slavery was once the law of the land and upheld by the Supreme court, but that did not make it right. The polls are showing that 60% or more of Americans do not support the Affordable Care Act. We all wanted Health Care Reform. The plan has a lot of good in it but when Congress exempts themselves, the President exempts his big business buddies and even the Labor group is crying out about it's unforeseen effects, I think we need to ask if we might want to delay implementation until some of the adverse effects are cleared out of it. The problem here is that more than 85% of the country already had access to health care and were told that their coverage would not change. Then the companies, as they always do, found ways to limit their cost in the process and began cutting workers hours to avoid having to offer them insurance. I think the bill could work with some modifications but for now I guess I am one of those right wing nut jobs who oppose it. And why do those who strongly support the Democrat party always resort to name calling when the other party disagrees with them? I will never understand why issues in this country can not be discussed based on the facts, it always boils down to name calling by both sides. I SAY WE OUTLAW POLITICAL PARTIES AND GET THIS COUNTRY WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE.
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    I really can't answer this question: How COULD we operate this govt, without any political parties? The original assumption was, that if we do have any kind of representative govt, we have to give ALL the people a voice in what happens. With only ONE political party, you have a Monarchy (one ruling body) like a KING, & we fought the entire Revolution to GET RID OF A KING. Our 2 party system isn't perfect, but for 237 years it seemed to work fairly well. We had a prosperous country, that kept our currency viable, our land & air free of pollution, we built necessary roads, & then kept on improving them into freeways & interchanges. We went from the Wright Bros to the supersonic jet, & eventually to the Moon. We went from a nation of farmers to high tech engineers & computer geeks. We developed a safe banking system, & water purification, & the modern telephone system. And along the way, our medical services expanded to curing Polio, & organ replacement surgery. Up to Prez Eisenhower, we had a 2 party system that worked quite well. THEN CAME the JBS (John Birch Society) in 1958, & since then, the subversion of our govt has gradually gotten so severe that we have propaganda radio & TV content being broadcast 24/7 (for 55 years) with always the same message, that Liberals are the bad guy and the Angelic GOP are here to dictate to us what we need. They don't believe in democracy (vote of the people, so that the govt responds to the voice of the people). NO -- they follow ideas of Lenin, Marx, & Hitler, which suppressed the people, & even exterminated multitudes of them. It is NOT so very long ago (only 68 yrs ago) that Hitler roamed the earth, trying to subjugate humanity, & enslave them in a Nazi paradise of conformity & Fascist power. You had NO VOICE in a Nazi nation. You were to salute & say "Sig Heil, mein Feuhrer" -- while briskly goose-stepping along.

    There are (right now, in America) several right-wing Nazi groups living amongst us. Some of them even salute the photo or insignia of Adolph Hitler. They have a variety of names, like Aryan Nation, White Supremacy? Storm Front ?? Some of them have even gotten elected to Congress, in our modern 2 party system. UNFINISHED: I am OUT FINDING MORE INFO TO PUT IN THIS SPACE. -- Sorry, E.F.
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    There are many subversive groups in the United States both Left and Right and so many more in between, I see the problem is when the majority party, either democrats or republicans, seek after power rather than governing, which we see now occurring, constant violations of their own oaths of office goes unchecked, while skirting the power of and the authority of the Constitution, I will cite just two examples although there are more , the requirement to have a Budget in place, which the Democrat controlled Senate has not done in over 4 years and not some bullshit thing called a Continuing Resolution which is nothing more than kicking a can down the road, and allowing another world body, in this case by signing a Treaty with the United Nations, to dictate to American citizens how to defend themselves and with what, this is a clear infringement of sovereign rights, as I said there are a few more but I think I made my point, and that is to not allow these career politicians and the new Permanent Political class to hold onto their fiefdoms by having term limits imposed by use of the ballot box while we seek a more permanent solution such as an Amendment to the Constitution requiring term limits, however that is a long a problematic journey so the ballot Box is our only alternative for now.
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    eternal flame Wrote: I really can't answer this question: How COULD we operate this govt, without any political parties? The original assumption was, that if we do have any kind of representative govt, we have to give ALL the people a voice in what happens. With only ONE political party, you have a Monarchy (one ruling body) like a KING, & we fought the entire Revolution to GET RID OF A KING. Our 2 party system isn't perfect, but for 237 years it seemed to work fairly well. We had a prosperous country, that kept our currency viable, our land & air free of pollution, we built necessary roads, & then kept on improving them into freeways & interchanges. We went from the Wright Bros to the supersonic jet, & eventually to the Moon. We went from a nation of farmers to high tech engineers & computer geeks. We developed a safe banking system, & water purification, & the modern telephone system. And along the way, our medical services expanded to curing Polio, & organ replacement surgery. Up to Prez Eisenhower, we had a 2 party system that worked quite well. THEN CAME the JBS (John Birch Society) in 1958, & since then, the subversion of our govt has gradually gotten so severe that we have propaganda radio & TV content being broadcast 24/7 (for 55 years) with always the same message, that Liberals are the bad guy and the Angelic GOP are here to dictate to us what we need. They don't believe in democracy (vote of the people, so that the govt responds to the voice of the people). NO -- they follow ideas of Lenin, Marx, & Hitler, which suppressed the people, & even exterminated multitudes of them. It is NOT so very long ago (only 68 yrs ago) that Hitler roamed the earth, trying to subjugate humanity, & enslave them in a Nazi paradise of conformity & Fascist power. You had NO VOICE in a Nazi nation. You were to salute & say "Sig Heil, mein Feuhrer" -- while briskly goose-stepping along.

    There are (right now, in America) several right-wing Nazi groups living amongst us. Some of them even salute the photo or insignia of Adolph Hitler. They have a variety of names, like Aryan Nation, White Supremacy? Storm Front ?? Some of them have even gotten elected to Congress, in our modern 2 party system. UNFINISHED: I am OUT FINDING MORE INFO TO PUT IN THIS SPACE. -- Sorry, E.F.
    No, as I said before this country is so diverse that a two party system absolutely does not represent the background or feelings of the present American people. In the Netherlands there are at least 10 parties who represent all levels of the population. To tell you the thruth, with the two party system it is impossible to find all your wishes in one party. That is the reason I'm listed as an independant. I absolutely do not agree with the whole Obama care mess; some elements socially speaking may be better but the corruption and doctors and pill lobby stays in place. So neither party works for me.

    Sorry to say, you may not call this country a dictatorship, but I'm asking myself who actually runs this country? My guess is "money"," billionairs", "the military" (Pentagon) By the way again on the Dutch news; the fantastic F35 program ( that's why we hit debt ceilings) has more than 450 items which have to be fixed; the thing cost now already more than 200 million a piece, so spent some more on a project which you only can use if we have WWIII.

    Cutting this project and the Navy "ship" project will lower the debt ceiling for sure; we've got enough other nice expensive toys to protect us, so should be no problem. Talking about dictatorship; who got its way? This sounds like a real dictatorship; did the people vote on this?
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    Every Canadian I have met here in Florida supports Their National Health Care.
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    I have heard the Republicans that are holding America hostage described as terrorists. I don't think that this is appropriate. Actually they are even worse, they are mercenaries being paid by the health insurance companies. They are willing to forsake the country because of their greed for money and power. It doesn't matter who might benefit from the health care plan or who may get hurt by the government shutdown. As long as they get what they want, the damage to the rest of the country is just collateral damage to them. They don't care at all about America or the American people.
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    Freedomfighter you are right about ..."As long as they get what they want, the damage to the rest of the country is just collateral damage to them. They don't care at all about America or the American people."...

    That is true of most of our politicians on about just about any subject, it's not limited to the healthcare debate.

    Once elected, they forget about us, the ordinary people. The only thing they care about as far as we are concerned is our money and our votes and they will say anything to us to ensure they maintain their elected office.