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How come police Officers who kill un armed subjects never admit to a "mistake"

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  • Liberal
    Other Party
    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Within the last few years in California, a definite increase in officer involved shootings with un armed men resulting in their deaths. How come the police always claim that a gun was pointed at them, or what they perceived as a gun?
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Denton, TX
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    A variety of reasons. The most notable being that it could absolutely be true. You will rarely ever hear a cop admit to a mistake because of legal system. Something as simple as an apology can be considered an admission of guilt and then the city or state becomes liable for damages. So they are advised by attorneys not to admit wrong doing. Everyone, even cops are protected by the 5th amendment.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    My self and other officers I know have had the experience to have a suspect reach into his pocket (jacket/pants) and pull out a either a black cell phone or some other device without notifying the officer of his intent, and although I would say that the vast majority of times that nothing came of the event other than a more heightened sense of awareness, it only takes one time though to turn nothing into a tragedy, now the Media would claim that the victim was unarmed and he well might of been, but to play devils advocate here, what if it was a weapon, how much time do you think the officer has to make that distinction between weapon or cell phone, and its dark and the suspect is not complying with the officer's commands, and he makes an overt act of reaching into a pocket or his waistband, so yes the suspect might of been unarmed but how much effort on his part can be construed as a contributing factor in the events that transpired? So although the media sees things in a black and white scenario ,it either is or it isn't, the reality is always much different. So if California is experiencing a marked increase in officer involved shooting, you have to take in all of the circumstances related to the shootings on a individual basis before coming up with particular statistic slanted to reflect a particular finding.
  • Independent
    Independence, MO
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    Being the mother of a police officer, I always tend to lean toward the officers safety. Today children are raised in front of tv watching violence and people being shot. So that is a fear factor for a police officer. Do they take the time to see what the person is pulling out of their coat or do they protect themselves. I would not want my son to wait until he was sure it was not a gun only to be dead because it was. OH, I have seen a video of my son in a police chase, with a gun point at his head by a person that planned to pull the trigger. It is not pretty. These officers protect your safety. The person be hind the gun don't care about your safety.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Also, why is the suspect shot so many times? There was a recent event in which a man with history of mental illness was wielding an aluminum crutch in the middle of the street....He was shot over 20 times....An aluminum crutch can't kill anyone ,,,, why not shoot him in the foot?

    When Dornan (ex-LAPD) was shooting cops just recently over his termination from the department....In two separate incidents police opened fired on the two old ladies driving down the street......shooting them (not life threatening),because the vehicles were similar. The city of Los Angeles didn't even want to replace their vehicle. Their truck was hit well over 20 times.

    On the second incident, police open fire on another truck. They shot at the truck as it was passing through an intersection.....The driver who was on his way to work had no idea what was happening.....Lucky to be alive.......what will happen to these cops???

    As you may know,,,,the LAPD is hated by the black, and Mexican communities of Los Angeles. There wont be any fixing that either.
    Rodney King and the Rampart scandal created a permanent divide.

    I don't mind the cops at all, I know I would never want to do that job at all....Many high school buddies became cops........LAPD is the only job that I have ever known that simply requires a high school diploma, be 20 years old at the time you apply, and have no criminal history,,,,,,to make 60,000 to start annually.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    The problem that had occurred with LAPD was that some of them were beginning to to act as gang members themselves. Los Angeles until recently, was saturated with gangs that have been rooted here since the 1940's. Los Angeles is not in any way similar to the east coast. Most of the city is divided among racial lines. Example; There are no blacks in East Los Angeles.

    The police here in many ways were like a paramilitary group with their own set of rules. Rampart Crash wore the skeleton on their uniforms and worked alone. These guys did not respond to radio calls. They were out there every night going to battle with the gangs. As Long as they were bringing multiple cases in nightly, their superiors never asked or questioned their tactics or violations of policy. Each Division had their own specialized units .,,,,, It was strange,,,, they didn't like each other'.

    An on-duty detective shot an off- duty cop at 8:00 am .....That event started the snowball which ultimately uncovered the corruption. The police department today has a new face. With help from the feds, Los Angeles today has never been so safe and as beautiful. They have cleaned this city up. I never thought it would happen.

    Last week 159 gang members were indicted on Rico charges....They have effectively wiped out entire neighborhoods. The feds are now handling the gangs.

    In 1993 a friend of mine mouthed off to Officer Raphael Perez. Perez handcuffed him, sat him on the curb, placed a half ounce of cocaine in his jacket,,,,,took out his baton and removed every tooth from my friends mouth....He was sentenced to nine years for the drugs...but did only 3 years before they overturned his sentence


    Myself,,,having spent many years in prison, having lived a criminal lifestyle for half my life... have absolutely no resentment or hatred toward any cop. Most cops get up everyday and try to do their jobs and provide for their families...... just like every one else.....

    My only criticism stems from the fact that 2 years prior to the corruption being exposed, citizens were calling Rampart and reporting crimes in which they witnessed officers engage in.......Nobody listened