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Don't attack Syria!

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  • Independent
    Olympia, WA
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    The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

    Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


    Please Vote NO for Bombing Syria

    Protect Children Myth
    1. Over 100k killed (including children) prior to Chemical attack, no action
    2. Seven other stage 7 Genocide countries Democratic Republic of Congo - Sudan - Somalia - Pakistan - North Korea - Myanmar (Burma) - Ethiopia No action to protect those children.
    3. We can't even protect children in our inner cities here at home. Look at Chicago!

    Chemical Weapons Might be used against us
    1. No plan what so ever to control chemical weapons after attack
    2. Chemical Weapons may already be in the hands of others
    3. Still no substantial proof the attacks were order and carried out by Assad regime.
    4. We have porous borders where any weapons can and will be brought in to destroy us and we do little but worry about amnesty for illegals already in the country.
    5. We are not planning on removing the very Dictator we claim is using the weapons, absurd

    Remove Dictator
    1. Same 7 countries we are ignoring for Children we have ignored genocidal dictators in them as well.
    2. No clear evidence as to who will take over in Syria. could be worse.
    3. The plan we have is to not take Assad out of power. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS?

    Message to Iran
    1. They started the nuke program as we were decimating Iraq and Afghanistan. Message clear then.
    2. We killed Bin Laden, Gaddafi, and others in Al Qaeda and bombed multiple countries in the process, Nukes are still in progress. Message clear then.
    3. Leaving the guy in power who is using the weapons is a very clear message to the world of our complete and total stupidity.
    4. The message we need to send to Iran is in the form of an unannounced attack on their nukes, everything else is just noise.

    Make us look Weak
    1. That has long ago been accomplished by this president, no further proof needed.
    2. The over the bow plan is like a skinny nerd shaking his fist at a bully.
    3. The time to act was 2 years ago and we did absolutely nothing. other nations called us weak then and see us as even weaker now.
    4. Telegraphing our plan to the enemy. absurd!
    5. Standing up to this inept President by making him accountable for his actions and electing a President in three years with strength and integrity is the real message we need to be sending.

    Nobility
    1. We supply many countries being threatened with aid and arms and none are willing to help.
    2. We finance 25% of the United Nations created specifically for this kind of issue and they refuse to help
    3. We have no foreign support for the attack or offers of assistance in implementation. The world now depends on us and then condemns us..
    4. Sacrificing our own loved ones to protect countries not willing to protect themselves is not the message we need to be sending, they must be told that not getting involved has consequences. that is leadership and nobility combined.
    5. Nobility isn't achieved in picking and choosing which children to save, or establishing a criteria of weapons that kills them.

    Indecisive President
    1. Obama has changed his plan at least three times in the past few days.
    2. Obama has had no clear plan for his red line threat
    3. Obama didn't back Kerry after Kerry's speech
    4. Obama is indecisive, a proven liar, and a proven failure in Foreign Affairs and as a leader.
    5. Obama has no end game, no coalition and no clear support for any group fighting in Syria.
    6. Obama denies responsibility for his own rhetoric.
    7. Obama has already made a bad situation become worse and placed our reputation at risk. standing up to him will do volumes in restoring that credibility and standing with the world.

    What we should be doing.
    1. Destroy the nukes in Iran without warning!
    2. Demanding the border countries join the fight
    3. End any aid to those who don't
    4. Defund the UN and remove then from our shores
    5. Securing our borders against these weapons
    6. Take out Assad, secure the weapons, hand pick his successor.

    Sincerely,
    Joe
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Joe_Schmo_Rocks Wrote: The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

    Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)


    Please Vote NO for Bombing Syria

    Protect Children Myth
    1. Over 100k killed (including children) prior to Chemical attack, no action
    2. Seven other stage 7 Genocide countries Democratic Republic of Congo - Sudan - Somalia - Pakistan - North Korea - Myanmar (Burma) - Ethiopia No action to protect those children.
    3. We can't even protect children in our inner cities here at home. Look at Chicago!

    Chemical Weapons Might be used against us
    1. No plan what so ever to control chemical weapons after attack
    2. Chemical Weapons may already be in the hands of others
    3. Still no substantial proof the attacks were order and carried out by Assad regime.
    4. We have porous borders where any weapons can and will be brought in to destroy us and we do little but worry about amnesty for illegals already in the country.
    5. We are not planning on removing the very Dictator we claim is using the weapons, absurd

    Remove Dictator
    1. Same 7 countries we are ignoring for Children we have ignored genocidal dictators in them as well.
    2. No clear evidence as to who will take over in Syria. could be worse.
    3. The plan we have is to not take Assad out of power. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS?

    Message to Iran
    1. They started the nuke program as we were decimating Iraq and Afghanistan. Message clear then.
    2. We killed Bin Laden, Gaddafi, and others in Al Qaeda and bombed multiple countries in the process, Nukes are still in progress. Message clear then.
    3. Leaving the guy in power who is using the weapons is a very clear message to the world of our complete and total stupidity.
    4. The message we need to send to Iran is in the form of an unannounced attack on their nukes, everything else is just noise.

    Make us look Weak
    1. That has long ago been accomplished by this president, no further proof needed.
    2. The over the bow plan is like a skinny nerd shaking his fist at a bully.
    3. The time to act was 2 years ago and we did absolutely nothing. other nations called us weak then and see us as even weaker now.
    4. Telegraphing our plan to the enemy. absurd!
    5. Standing up to this inept President by making him accountable for his actions and electing a President in three years with strength and integrity is the real message we need to be sending.

    Nobility
    1. We supply many countries being threatened with aid and arms and none are willing to help.
    2. We finance 25% of the United Nations created specifically for this kind of issue and they refuse to help
    3. We have no foreign support for the attack or offers of assistance in implementation. The world now depends on us and then condemns us..
    4. Sacrificing our own loved ones to protect countries not willing to protect themselves is not the message we need to be sending, they must be told that not getting involved has consequences. that is leadership and nobility combined.
    5. Nobility isn't achieved in picking and choosing which children to save, or establishing a criteria of weapons that kills them.

    Indecisive President
    1. Obama has changed his plan at least three times in the past few days.
    2. Obama has had no clear plan for his red line threat
    3. Obama didn't back Kerry after Kerry's speech
    4. Obama is indecisive, a proven liar, and a proven failure in Foreign Affairs and as a leader.
    5. Obama has no end game, no coalition and no clear support for any group fighting in Syria.
    6. Obama denies responsibility for his own rhetoric.
    7. Obama has already made a bad situation become worse and placed our reputation at risk. standing up to him will do volumes in restoring that credibility and standing with the world.

    What we should be doing.
    1. Destroy the nukes in Iran without warning!
    2. Demanding the border countries join the fight
    3. End any aid to those who don't
    4. Defund the UN and remove then from our shores
    5. Securing our borders against these weapons
    6. Take out Assad, secure the weapons, hand pick his successor.

    Sincerely,
    Joe
    What you state on "What we should be doing" means that you are a typical American Rambo. In other words solve everything with big guns and a big mouth. Sorry it does not work that way. Slowly but surely a lot of Americans are so militarized that they can not think rational anymore, like yesterday on TV; at a certain school they demanded that the guards carry large assault weapons; looks very overpowering indeed; Nuts.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Looks like Joe has a plan, which is more than what our elected so-called leaders have at the moment, the last part of the plan is necessary because it would render the rest of the plan meaningless if not done.