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What it's like to go to Heaven

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  • Independent
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    Many believers and nonbelievers especially, find it hard to imagine what it must be like for us to transform from a human to an angle. Think about it, we have to die, then we are transformed into some other form of life? Kind of scary and hard to imagine this could happen, but when you look at Mother Nature, this happens everyday! For us to change from a human and into an angle is really no different than a tadpole turning into a frog or a caterpillar turning into something as beautiful as a butter fly, our coffin is our cocoon! Impossible and crazy sounding I know, but it is only the facts of life.
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    unitedmajority Wrote: Many believers and nonbelievers especially, find it hard to imagine what it must be like for us to transform from a human to an angle. Think about it, we have to die, then we are transformed into some other form of life? Kind of scary and hard to imagine this could happen, but when you look at Mother Nature, this happens everyday! For us to change form a human and into an angle is really no different than a tadpole turning into a frog or a caterpillar turning into something as beautiful as a butter fly, our coffin is our cocoon! Impossible and crazy sounding I know, but it is only the facts of life.
    I never heard of anyone transferring into an "angle" (a sharp bend), but regardless of that you got it all wrong!!

    Your comparison with the tadpole does not fly; they both consists of living matter (cells etc) Sorry to say dead humans or a dead caterpillars are and stay dead. Science has proven there is no element whatsoever in the living body which continues living after death. Also no one ever has seen or proven that something like a "soul" exists or floats out a dead body; this is only a "church" thus "human" created fantasy. First of all all energy is gone in a dead body, except the decomposing energy. the brains and its data storage is also destroyed. Then the question arises if true, where does this invisible "energy" go to? If It does not stay on earth according to the church, so then were is the so called "heaven"? If a location is known how does this weightless nothing "soul" knows where to go to? Since your body is your identity and stays behind on earth, what indentifies you up there (nothing from your brain transfers, it is dead! ) Then the big question comes if this is all true, what will you be doing up there without a body and brains; singing all day or repairing "god's Ferrari? Sorry again, I'm amazed that people fall for all this nonsense. Therefore I'm only a believer if I see the facts; not just "human" written fantasy.
  • Independent
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    Dutch, I understand your points, still, there are many things your words could describe here still, we as humans don't know the answers to many of our questions here on earth, the facts of God and heaven are just a couple facts we have not found undisputable proof for, but when it comes to God, it is for a very good reason we don't have undisputable proof nor never will. All the others, sure we will prove some things in the future that we have no proof for now, but again, no matter how long man last on earth we will never be given the proof we want for all to see when it come to God, yet don't forget, there is a chance God may give you personal proof of God, hope you are watching when and if God does for you.
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    " united" please read my piece again; while you are doing that, start thinking, why the churches came up with this nonsense. Of course the "fear factor" works on stupid humans who refuse to think for themselves and accept the real facts of life on this globe. I've never seen dead bodies fly (and I've seen a lot of them), let alone that anything leaves a body; if so please advise our medical industry, so can they capture such on infrared film or something like it. Also again where does the so "called" soul of a dead kid in the desert go to, if it never heard of a church or its preachings? Wake up "united" stop dreaming.
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    The wife and I saw the Mr. Banks movie last night and while watching the previews we both saw a new movie coming soon. It fits with this thread perfectly. It's about a child that dies and miraculously comes back to life astonishing the medical field. That's not all. The child saw people in "Heaven", which he describes. He saw people that have gone before and recently. The child knew their names and in one encounter saw his Grandfather that he never met. The child's Father showed him a picture of his grandfather , but the child did not recognize him. The child said this man was younger. So, the child's father found a young picture of his grand father and the child said, "That's him". Coooool.

    Apparently the preview indicated "True Story" and that this is a life account and a movie made about the incident. Of course we all know how movie directors and writers make exaggerations in order to sell tickets, but I have to admit................I Believe!

    Watch for the movie coming to you. I can't remember the Title, but I feel I've given adequate information for you all to locate it. Remember Heaven is real and someday we all will experience it........or not! Be ready!
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  • Democrat
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    I saw " 2001: a Space Odyssey",aka the NSA's version of a wet dream, and I am beginning to suspect now that some of this movie's plots are becoming real, I mean maybe AMC saw the same movie and took it way to seriously.
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    Independent
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    United, The one making a claim has the burden of proving it to be correct. Not the other way around. Good luck.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: The wife and I saw the Mr. Banks movie last night and while watching the previews we both saw a new movie coming soon. It fits with this thread perfectly. It's about a child that dies and miraculously comes back to life astonishing the medical field. That's not all. The child saw people in "Heaven", which he describes. He saw people that have gone before and recently. The child knew their names and in one encounter saw his Grandfather that he never met. The child's Father showed him a picture of his grandfather , but the child did not recognize him. The child said this man was younger. So, the child's father found a young picture of his grand father and the child said, "That's him". Coooool.

    Apparently the preview indicated "True Story" and that this is a life account and a movie made about the incident. Of course we all know how movie directors and writers make exaggerations in order to sell tickets, but I have to admit................I Believe!

    Watch for the movie coming to you. I can't remember the Title, but I feel I've given adequate information for you all to locate it. Remember Heaven is real and someday we all will experience it........or not! Be ready!
    AMC; do you actually live on this globe? I guess you are still not aware that all Bible and Koran stories, Ghrisham stories, any TV or movie stories all originate and are created on this very tiny non important globe; I guess you actually live in la la land. Did someone from Mars visit you also; yes it did visit me, however I chased him out of my yard; then he got runover by the garbage truck; there was nothing left of him so no one beliefs me; except may be you, because you had army training!! How old are you; still believing in fairy tales? Wow.
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    Dutch, some things just don't deserve a comment on stupidity. I'm sorry, that I have my right to my opinions and whatever you believe you want to say about them ...................go ahead............knock my socks off. I commented on a preview of an upcoming movie that the originator of this thread started about "Heaven". I thought that it was relevant and made perfect for the original posting. You didn't have to comment on it if you don't believe, but you feel so righteous in yourself that you can blister anybody you want. So, go ahead post your heart out! You must feel your the perfect person without any problem. All I can say is good...........I can't be a judge.

    ........and by the way, I was not in the Army, I am Navy, Black-Shoe, privileged to be decorated and I owe the military for my distinguished training and blessed to have a safe return from a Vietnam. So, if you want to badger me on my military, I must forewarn you that their are veterans that read this also. Being critical to one veteran and your critical to all veterans. You have a maladjusted life, I feel sorry for you. You need prayer and yes, I forgive you.

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    Independent
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    what type of angle, acute ??obtuse??
  • Liberal
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    pr Wrote: All I can say is...


    "Oh, my God" have you been vacationing in Colorado by any chance?
    Heaven is in Pennsylvania........ the Amish are the gardeners
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    @AmcmurryFreedom

    You are right to post about the film. It is appropriate for this forum thread. I myself am not a Christian. But, I do find it frustrating that any time anyone mentions or even alludes to something that science hasn't pinned down just yet, it's immediately made fun of. I think people that are too close-minded on both sides of this conversation (religious/non-religious or spiritual/non) are both displaying a certain amount of ignorance, with all due respect. Or, maybe hubris is more the word I'm looking for...

    Yes, it is both unfair and unwise (in my opinion) to claim you KNOW something that is not a proven fact; proven by some form of scientific means. But, the flip side of that coin is that you can't claim to KNOW that a "soul" does not indeed exist either. I mean metaphysics, quantum mechanics and a whole host of other brand new branches of science are certainly coming up with numerous and varied ideas and theories (backed up with scientific logic and reasoning) that are on the daily challenging our very fundamental understanding of consciousness, what it means to be alive, where reality is truly generated from, and so on and so forth. It's fascinating stuff, truly. And, while I don't believe that these ideas (or any future avenues) will ever prove the bible's story to be true, I do believe there is much more going on with this life than boring, 7th grade basic chemistry and biology.

    We once KNEW the world was flat. We once KNEW the atom was the smallest building block of matter. Both have since been scientifically proven wrong. We once knew many a thing that we now KNOW is wrong. What's next? Currently we KNOW we can't travel faster than the speed of light .. until someone somewhen figures out a way how. OR at least a way to bypass the need (Star Trek style).

    People have out of body experiences all the time. To claim we KNOW what's 100% going on with every case is not scientific, especially if the answer we tell these people is some version of, "your brain is just playing tricks on you". It's close-minded and frankly hurtful to science and to the people that are just simply reporting what they experienced. What about the fact that respected scientists are floating the very real possibility that there are indeed multiple dimensions happening simultaneously with life? And, that every decision you make is forcing you into one concurrent dimension over the other? What if an "other-worldly" experience is a supernatural way to travel through a kind of "hyperspace" where space and time aren't nearly what we think they are; the 4th+ dimension? Ever heard of string theory? If these concepts exist and our brain is capable of consuming and implementing all kinds of neuro-transmissions (that we are just as a species starting to wrap our heads around), couple that with the fact that a large portion of our brain's capacity is rarely, if ever fully used on a regular basis... isn't it at least conceivable that we could prematurely or momentarily experience an "out of body" heaven-like experience that is more or less like tuning into another channel with our brain as a receiver? And, some might inherently call it heaven (like a little kid that goes to a Christian church, on the regular) because that's our big cultural symbol for that particular "other" kind of experience. Basically, I'm saying let's not throw out the baby with all the silly bathwater.

    The word "science" basically means knowledge. And, I for one think that any and every concept should be considered, no matter if it challenges our current paradigm of a secular worldview, or whatever. If we do discover that there is indeed an energy of sorts that, let's say "charges" you upon birth and then leaves you upon death, that doesn't confirm Christianity. But, if and when that day comes, it would confirm that we were once again wrong about something.

    History shows that we are forever wrong and ignorant about everything, until we aren't. Sooo, you mean to tell me that science will NEVER ever prove that a "soul" or "energy" of some kind exists that is in some way a part of us that is indeed some version of eternal (meaning that the energy exists both before, during and after our body is born and dies, and goes somewhere when its not a part of us)? Isn't that basic chemistry: 'Matter cannot be created nor destroyed; it just changes form'? Sounds pretty scientific to me. Take out the Christian/religion dogma and consider it purely as a rational, scientific person would that's free of prejudice (ideally). Is it not possible? ..... I think it most certainly is. And, I personally believe it would explain a lot and open up doors for humanity that science would have never dreamed possible beforehand.

    Please excuse me, I now need to go listen to Pink Floyd's 'Wish You Were Here'. :)
  • Independent
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    sbfriedman and the others who commented,
    I am glad we don't take the fun of others too seriously on here. But Dutch and pgr, couldn't you guys add your input without making fun? I tried to limit God talk to the religious forum, because you guys didn't appreciate it when I brought God into other forums, so in the future if you could, if it is a religious forum you want to comment on please do, but I ask that you try not to be too mean when you do, to the ones of us who feel God is very real, like I do.

    No, I don't consider my self a Christian, and I understand why Dutch has zero respect for them, to the point Dutch won't even consider God being real, because he knows the Christians are not real(for money more than for good). Religion can give God a bad name, just ask Dutch about it, or even Europe. Thanks to the claims made by religion and the reality of World War II, around forty percent of Europe now are atheist, again, thanks to religion.

    sbfriedman is right, you can not say something as being the facts without proof, it goes both ways pgr and Dutch. I know I know Dutch and pgr, religions leaders make this claim of undisputable proof every time their lips move, again, in many cases they are giving God a bad name, and I can understand how atheist must feel about it, it has to piss them off, because it pisses me off too. Still, when a total Christian makes their views made, it really isn't that important to prove them wrong, is it, especially when that is an impossible task?

    As for the new series coming out about out of body experiences, I liked sbfriedman comment about it. The fact is, there are many stories like this out there, no, they are not undisputable proof of God for us, but I can bet, the story I heard of someone dying on the operating table then being revived, to tell of a pair of hospital shoes on top a large cabinet in her room that no one had seen for years, but the women in her out of body state saw them and told of them, you can bet, this women believes in God 100%. Again, there are many stories like this out there, they have to make even an atheist wonder a bit, right? I'm going to listen to some black coffee brew, hope this will cool the stew a bit.