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Obama becoming another Bush?

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  • Independent
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    On the news (all over the world!!) Obama is preparing to go to war in Syria; I guess he is being brainwashed by the McCain gang. All preparation have started to do so. Sorry to say, if Obama indeed starts this, it will affect all of us.
    We are still deep in debt because of all the previous wars which have cost us trillions and thousands of our soldiers life's. Did we get a better country by doing so, I guess not. By continuing wars all over the place, then history should be a lesson; Napoleon tried it, Hitler tried it and now us.
    We have to stop this total nonsense; first of all we do not have the money for it, second no one in Syria attacked us, third it is none of our bussiness or property or changes anything for a better life in the US. Start cleaning up the mess at home first before meddling into other countries. The UN even stated that they are against US involvement. Are we nuts to get ourselves into that wasp nest? What do we get out of this? better bridges,social security, education, cleaning up slums, high speed rail, gun control, etc.
    No Obama has become a typical Washington culture indoctrinated non thinking (cares about dogs lately only) Bush copy. I think the "right" has worked on this day and night, because this may his downfall, wars are always having a backlash. First the stockmarket will tank, then the small economic improvement we had will evaporate; the US debt will escalate etc. Yes Obama will be the new Napoleon.

    We as Democrats should do everything possible to prevent this huge stupidity; if we continue onthis path the next thing will be troops in Egypt etc.
    The only thing will work if we stay out of there and let the UN decide, (or not decide) how to cope with Syria; none of our bussiness !!
    WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Dutch:


    My guess is that the news from the world didn't make it to Chicago. In this morning's Chicago Tribune, one of the members of the Tribune editorial board gave Obama high praise for his INACTION:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-obama-stays-out-of-syria-20130823,0,1207238.column
  • Independent
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: Dutch:


    My guess is that the news from the world didn't make it to Chicago. In this morning's Chicago Tribune, one of the members of the Tribune editorial board gave Obama high praise for his INACTION:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-obama-stays-out-of-syria-20130823,0,1207238.column
    I guess Chicago is too far from Washington!! It was all over the news on ABC ( today and yesterday), The Dutch Telegraaf, Le Monde etc.
    Chicago is still sleeping like the rest of the country.!!!
    I hope and wish their article is true ( it was a couple of month ago) but not now.
  • Other Party
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    Dutch you are right again. Reportedly Obama is meeting today on what to do about Syria, and military action seems to be very possible.

    The biggest problem for Obama is that he warned Syria not to cross the "RED LINE" of chemical weapons, or "serious consequences" which was a very stupid thing to say. Now that they have crossed the line twice (allegedly) he has painted himself into a corner. He now has to take action, or everyone will know he lied, for the SECOND time. Remember that several months ago Syria used the gas and what did Obama do? Nothing. Sure he made promises, but no action.

    If you make a threat, you have to back it up and he didn't last time, and we will see about this time. The world sees these things, both our friends and our enemies. Broken promises do not help our credibility.

    I think, and I hope that the president is smart enough to not send troops into Syria or Egypt. BUT...I thought, and I hoped that he would get us out of Afghanistan, but he did the unthinkable and decided to expand that war. What was accomplished? More enemies and less credibility for the USA, that's what.

    If we take military action it should be with the UN authorizing it, and other countries helping. A few cruise missiles to take out military airfields and maybe even weapons storage facilities would be the best smart thing to do, but the US has not done many smart things lately. Yes, innocent people will die, they always do, but if we are going to act militarily, at least he should keep ground troops out.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Dutch you are right again. Reportedly Obama is meeting today on what to do about Syria, and military action seems to be very possible.

    The biggest problem for Obama is that he warned Syria not to cross the "RED LINE" of chemical weapons, or "serious consequences" which was a very stupid thing to say. Now that they have crossed the line twice (allegedly) he has painted himself into a corner. He now has to take action, or everyone will know he lied, for the SECOND time. Remember that several months ago Syria used the gas and what did Obama do? Nothing. Sure he made promises, but no action.

    If you make a threat, you have to back it up and he didn't last time, and we will see about this time. The world sees these things, both our friends and our enemies. Broken promises do not help our credibility.

    I think, and I hope that the president is smart enough to not send troops into Syria or Egypt. BUT...I thought, and I hoped that he would get us out of Afghanistan, but he did the unthinkable and decided to expand that war. What was accomplished? More enemies and less credibility for the USA, that's what.

    If we take military action it should be with the UN authorizing it, and other countries helping. A few cruise missiles to take out military airfields and maybe even weapons storage facilities would be the best smart thing to do, but the US has not done many smart things lately. Yes, innocent people will die, they always do, but if we are going to act militarily, at least he should keep ground troops out.
    As always "jamesn" you see things right; this country has a huge debt; do we want to borrow even more to add more sequesters to pay for it?etc.

    I rather have that he does not keep promisees and loose face, than that this whole country looses much more than just "face"

    Any war effort, missiles or not, always costs a bundle, not only life's. In this case when the economy barely gets moving again, the timing of this is just about the worst you can do. Again WAKE UP AMERICA.
  • Independent
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    The latest this morning on ABC news: all warships are in position to fire missiles on Syria. The head of the Arab League said it should be none of the US bussiness but solely that of the UN. I hold my breath on what will be next. Maybe the trip Obama had together with Bush in Africa influenced this stupid attitude???
  • Independent
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    The lates on this dangerous development.
    The UN is in Syria at the moment to check and make a report on if indeed chemical weapons were used.
    However their report may not be easy to make since they are being shot on; so things are getting out of hand.
  • Other Party
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    ..."things are getting out of hand"... I'd say that things are ALREADY out of hand and have been for quite a while.

    The Syrian government says it's the rebels who fired on the inspectors and the rebels say it was the government. Same with the chemical weapons, both sides blame the other. How does anyone prove that either side is at fault? The government is probably guilty, but they will deny to the very end.

    Refugee situation is getting worse: there are now one million children among the refugees who have fled their homes. A MILLION CHILDREN! No matter what else happens or which side wins this has already damaged the population to an incredible degree.

    Yes, it looks as though the US has decided to take military action, the only question is when and how much.
  • Center Left
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    This would be a perfect time to invite Arab leadership to offer solutions, financing,
    soldiers, etc..
    Why have we never expected Arab leadership to take a proactive stance ?
    I seriously think that would be a good first step. We would need the international community
    to keep a measure of time and achievement.
  • Other Party
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    Tony I agree that it would be wonderful to have ..."Arab leadership to offer solutions, financing, soldiers, etc."... but there's not a real good track record of it in the past. Other than joining the US led coalition in the first Gulf War, what has the Arab leadership accomplished in these types of affairs? Mostly they just try to maintain their hold on power in their respective countries.

    They have shown some co-operation in trying to gang up on Israel at times, and have suffered humiliating defeats as a result. Maybe that is why they try to keep a low profile.

    I would say that "Arab leadership" would be welcomed but I don't hear anything about a willingness on their part to do anything about this problem. The US and some allies will probably be the ones who take the action, hopefully with UN authorization.

    I'm not saying that the US has a great track record in the middle east, either. Lots of involvement but not much success, but surely President Obama is smart enough to keep our soldiers off Syrian soil.
  • Independent
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    Yeah, the fun is already starting; the stockmarket is already tanking because of Kerry's speech and the war beating drums from Washington.
    It is the Bush circus all over; like with Saddam WMD's; same script. When are we going to learn not to touch a wasp nest, how many times we have get stung before we learn? Even a little kid does not stick its hands in a bees nest.
    Fix the things at home instead. Syria is an independant country the mess there is already there for years, so the mess gets only bigger if we stick our noses into it. Even now tax payer money is wasted with these preparations; but I guess the warmongers in Washington have given their Cayman bankaccounts already to the war industry so they can get rich over the dead bodies which will be a result of any attack.
  • Other Party
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    Dutch you are talking common sense and we all know that common sense will not be tolerated by our government.

    It is somewhat like ..."the Bush circus all over"... but I don't think Obama is dumb enough to get involved in a full scale invasion/ground war. I hope not anyway, it was bad enough that Obama WAS dumb enough to increase the war in Afghanistan, and I hope he's learned his lesson.

    Yes the stock market has tanked and the price of oil has gone up so we are already paying for the military action that has not yet begun.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Dutch you are talking common sense and we all know that common sense will not be tolerated by our government.

    It is somewhat like ..."the Bush circus all over"... but I don't think Obama is dumb enough to get involved in a full scale invasion/ground war. I hope not anyway, it was bad enough that Obama WAS dumb enough to increase the war in Afghanistan, and I hope he's learned his lesson.

    Yes the stock market has tanked and the price of oil has gone up so we are already paying for the military action that has not yet begun.
    Kind of strange that you are the only one who got common sense; no reactions of anyone else.
    Anyway Obama is pushing very hard just like Bush to get the Tomohawks in the air. Baghdad all over. The naive thing is that it will escalate, I doubt if Assad will just take a nap. Likely he will sent missiles into Israel. The total stupidity of it all is that this certainly does not help the victims of any chemical attack, but instead Assad may release the whole chemical pile he has. Very smart indeed Mr. Obama. Start helping the victims instead of killing more people and destroying more buildings etc. Sorry this is exactly the same scenario of Bush all over again. Start handing out the medals!!!
  • Other Party
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    Dutch I think you are right about Israel. It may not happen but they should prepare for rocket attacks from Syria, Hezbolla and maybe others. They have had plenty of time to reload since the last big rocket attacks on Israel and I'm sure that Israel is fully stocked, too, and that's good because it won't be long now. I just hope that they aren't crazy enough to hit Israel with chemicals, because Israel may not show any restraint nor any mercy.

    I heard on the radio that the UN Inspectors have reported that it was the Syrian regime who used the weapons which is what everyone thought. If that's true, maybe now even Rachel Maddow will believe it.

    Because of the march in Washington I can't catch up on the Syrian news on my TV.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Dutch I think you are right about Israel. It may not happen but they should prepare for rocket attacks from Syria, Hezbolla and maybe others. They have had plenty of time to reload since the last big rocket attacks on Israel and I'm sure that Israel is fully stocked, too, and that's good because it won't be long now. I just hope that they aren't crazy enough to hit Israel with chemicals, because Israel may not show any restraint nor any mercy.

    I heard on the radio that the UN Inspectors have reported that it was the Syrian regime who used the weapons which is what everyone thought. If that's true, maybe now even Rachel Maddow will believe it.

    Because of the march in Washington I can't catch up on the Syrian news on my TV.
    Do me a favor and thank Obama; I just tanked at a gas station the price went up with a dime a gallon; give him another medal!!