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Where does our tax money go?

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Just on the Dutch news: The US is going to have huge auction of all the junk they transported to Afghanistan. It is estimated that the "value" is about 50 billion, for which they may be fetching about 10 percent. What they can not sell will be parked in the desert here; of course pls add transportation cost. Furthermore a lot of damaged and ruined junk stays behind (billions!!) Also do not forget all the stolen goods and "traded" goods by our military, (one big black hole) which is not accounted for. I guess we will never know what the total cost over 12 years has been of this war. (The Pentagon rather keeps that a secret)
    Guess what we could have done with all these funds? Highspeed railways, proper sewage plants in Florida, better infra structure; cleaning up slum area's in our cities, education, job creation etc.
    Is n't it time the US should refrain of waging war on countries who themselves never attacked us; only fight a group of fanatics which they should have gone after if so. We will never learn, because the war industry will continue to lobby our government, and they fall for it, because of the dollar signs floating in front of their eyes.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    Dutch:


    I found the link below a while back. It's interesting because it gives a second by second total of the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:

    http://costofwar.com/

    Since Dick Cheney was Vice President during the Iraq war, you may be interested to know that his old company (Haliburton) made a tidy profit from the war, and other private companies profited handsomely as well:

    http://jonathanturley.org/2013/04/08/report-halliburton-subsidiary-received-39-5-billion-for-iraqi-war-alone/

    The link below provides more detail on the other companies:

    http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25-most-vicious-iraq-war-profiteers/
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: Dutch:


    I found the link below a while back. It's interesting because it gives a second by second total of the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:

    http://costofwar.com/

    Since Dick Cheney was Vice President during the Iraq war, you may be interested to know that his old company (Haliburton) made a tidy profit from the war, and other private companies profited handsomely as well:

    http://jonathanturley.org/2013/04/08/report-halliburton-subsidiary-received-39-5-billion-for-iraqi-war-alone/

    The link below provides more detail on the other companies:

    http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25-most-vicious-iraq-war-profiteers/
    Guy, great thanks, I hope a lot of people look at this; they will be shocked. I hope people will open their eyes for a change, but do not believe that they will, because the military is holy here and they rather spent it on playing Rambo than improving life in the US itself.
  • Center Left
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    Dutch,
    I agree entirely. I don't care how big the military is as long as we can defend our own borders. I read every bit of the previous post. I was especially interested in the companies who profited, what they did to earn it, what a bad job they did. And we're paying for all of this half assed work. Our tax dollars at work. That's what seriously bothers me is the tax burden we will bear for these wars. Where's the follow up to inspect the work done ? If you paid somebody to paint your house, you'd at least look at it after they were done. In the one instance (in Iraq) there was crap dripping from the ceiling. And our tax dollars are paying those bills.

    One company towards the end of the list..... was hired to provide interrogators 34 in total 10 to Abu Grhraib prison. I think that embarrassment and lack of dignity shown towards prisoners is an issue that I'll be embarrassed for my country for a long time. We stooped pretty low there. I think the stupid activity at Abu Grhraib is much of the reason we are at least disliked in the area.

    After we get the total cost of the Iraq war, it will probably have been less expensive for the USA to have given all Iraqi citizens $100,000.00 usd/each to overthrow their president.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    ..."less expensive for the USA to have given all Iraqi citizens$100,000.00 usd/each"...

    Well...it might have been better, but not ..."less expensive".... Lets see now, my calculator doesn't have enough zeros but if my math is correct upwards of 30 million Iraqis times 100K would equal more than 3 trillion usd and even our government can't spend/waste THAT much money. OK maybe they can.

    The better question is why didn't we end the wars when President Obama was elected? Talk about wasting money!!!
  • Center Left
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    30 milion ? Seriously ? I had no idea that they had such a large population. OK, the payoff option is off of the table.
    in Retrospect
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: 30 milion ? Seriously ? I had no idea that they had such a large population. OK, the payoff option is off of the table.
    in Retrospect
    I guess to give 30 million people a 100K each, sounds silly; where are you going to spent it anyway; buy some more camels?
    No our leaders, who we elect do not deserve to be elected. There is where the mistake starts; as long as this country is only driven by money; things like this will keep on happening. It is time this country is run by brains instead of wallets. In the Netherlands the prime minister gets only a about 150K salary, no other benefits. When I lived there, he lived in a row house and went on his bicycle to work, while his wife beat out the rugs on their small balcony. People who run for election can spent only very limited money about 150K for adds, nothing more. Sure sometimes the government there is also a mess because there are at least 10 parties who all want a voice. However I doubt if the Dutchies will ever start WWIII, like we may do!!
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I think one of the largest obstacles this country faces when it comes to good governing is that for some its not a matter of service, but as a means to enrich ones self both monetary and politically, we as a nation should dispel the notion as governing as a career option and implement term limits, if not by amendment then at least by the ballot box, also lobbying should not be allowed, full discloser ,and I do mean full discloser, should be mandatory for government employee's, both elected and appointed, and that is just the
    start.
  • Other Party
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    Dutch I'm guessing that the prime minister of the Netherlands doesn't still ride his bike to work, or if he does, he's escorted by a security detail. Things were different then. I have read that the US president used to go out for a stroll on Sunday mornings from the White House. That was a while back and he couldn't do it now, obviously.

    And when you say ..."as long as this country is only driven by money"... You are right that this country is ruled by money, but other countries are, too. Money rules the whole world, in case you had not noticed.

    It may be worse here than some other places, but the USA is bigger and richer than some other places, too.
  • Other Party
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    johnny you are right there should be term limits, probably 12 years max for service in Congress, and lobbying should be eliminated.

    Sadly, neither is going to happen.

    Congress will take care of themselves first and foremost. Plain and simple.

    Outlaw lobbying and it will move into back rooms, and use under the table payoffs. It will not go away, it will just leave the public eye. Money always has, and always will be used to buy and influence politicians.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Dutch I'm guessing that the prime minister of the Netherlands doesn't still ride his bike to work, or if he does, he's escorted by a security detail. Things were different then. I have read that the US president used to go out for a stroll on Sunday mornings from the White House. That was a while back and he couldn't do it now, obviously.

    And when you say ..."as long as this country is only driven by money"... You are right that this country is ruled by money, but other countries are, too. Money rules the whole world, in case you had not noticed.

    It may be worse here than some other places, but the USA is bigger and richer than some other places, too.
    Sorry to say; things have not changed much; if you have followed the international news than you may have seen that the Dutch Queen has been followed up by her son. During all these festivities they just mingle in the crowds, of course there are some limited security watchers, but not like here, because no one hates their guts. I know all about it since I was at that time responsible for the Queen's plane maintenance. Do not forget even because they are in NATO, that they refuse to have a combat role at any time. No terrorists have only their eyes pointed at the US not the Netherlands.
  • Other Party
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    Dutch I guess we all have our different opinion of who is a target or a security risk. President Obama would be high on everyones list.

    I saw one study by the Univ of Maryland that said that the USA is not even the top 20 countries for terrorism targets. Their rankings: 1. Iraq 2. Pakistan 3. Afghanistan 4. India 5. Yemen 6. Somalia 7. Nigeria 8. Thailand 9. Russia 10. Philippines

    The USA wan't even in the top 20! Britain was 28 and the USA came in at number 41. Don't know where the Netherlands came in, I did not see the complete list but maybe they were ranked higher than the USA, who knows.

    I would say that in the USA New York City would be number one target followed by Washington DC.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Dutch I guess we all have our different opinion of who is a target or a security risk. President Obama would be high on everyones list.

    I saw one study by the Univ of Maryland that said that the USA is not even the top 20 countries for terrorism targets. Their rankings: 1. Iraq 2. Pakistan 3. Afghanistan 4. India 5. Yemen 6. Somalia 7. Nigeria 8. Thailand 9. Russia 10. Philippines

    The USA wan't even in the top 20! Britain was 28 and the USA came in at number 41. Don't know where the Netherlands came in, I did not see the complete list but maybe they were ranked higher than the USA, who knows.

    I would say that in the USA New York City would be number one target followed by Washington DC.
    Jamesn, I think your research is not quite right. looking at these rankings starting with Iraq, they all hate our guts. So I think you mean "terrorists" in their own country as a ranking. I guess most of these countries you mention would love to do us harm.
  • Other Party
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    Dutch it's not my research it's the University of Maryland that researched it and released the list.

    My point is that everyone has their own idea of who is a target and who hates who.

    If someone wants a different result, I'm sure there's a poll/study/university research team that can and will come to a different conclusion. Any result desired and there's someone out there who will get them for you, just let them know what you want the result to be.

    I still think ANY American President is going to be the number one target on the worldwide list.