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  • Independent
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    Brian --

    I know many Jewish-Americans share your views (see Jewish Zionism) and many do not (anti-Zionism). Likewise many from the Christian Zionist community who believe that the "Land of Israel" needs to be preserved for the second coming of Christ. Others may just be conditioned by political rhetoric.

    I have researched this topic in the past, and have observed that sharing and arguing views on Zionism is a lot like arguing religious views. You won't change anyone's minds and all you do is make people mad. People have 100 percent certitude in their convictions.

    Since you brought the topic up, I am curious as to how you formulated those views. Have they always been a part of your worldview from your childhood days? Do you read any of the Israeli media like Haaretz or the Jerusalem Post?

    What American media sources influence your thinking? How about Al Jazeera or other Arab sourced media to round out your thinking?

    We have discussed the Israel Palestine conflict many times in this forum, but most of those discussions do not go anywhere because we cannot even agree on the facts or people are so entrenched in their worldviews that a meaningful dialogue cannot take place. It would be helpful to know your background and the basis of your thinking before we engage you on this topic.
  • Independent
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    --Brian

    I know many Jewish-Americans share your views (see Jewish Zionism) and many do not (anti-Zionism). Likewise many from the Christian Zionist community who believe that the "Land of Israel" needs to be preserved for the second coming of Christ. Others may just be conditioned by political rhetoric.

    I have researched this topic in the past, and have observed that sharing and arguing views on Zionism is a lot like arguing religious views. You won't change anyone's minds and all you do is make people mad. People have 100 percent certitude in their convictions.

    Since you brought the topic up, I am curious as to how you formulated those views. Have they always been a part of your worldview from your childhood days? Do you read any of the Israeli media like Haaretz or the Jerusalem Post?

    What American media sources influence your thinking? How about Al Jazeera or other Arab sourced media to round out your thinking?

    We have discussed the Israel Palestine conflict many times in this forum, but most of those discussions do not go anywhere because we cannot even agree on the facts or people are so entrenched in their worldviews that a meaningful dialogue cannot take place. It would be helpful to know your background and the basis of your thinking before we engage you on this topic. [/quote]Mr. Schmidt,


  • Liberal Democrat
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    Thank you Brian.

    When Pope Benedict visited the Palestinian Territories in 2009, he had this to say:

    "My pilgrimage to the lands of the Bible would not be complete without a visit to Bethlehem, the City of David and the birthplace of Jesus Christ. Nor could I come to the Holy Land without accepting the kind invitation of President Abbas to visit these Territories and to greet the Palestinian people. I know how much you have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of the turmoil that has afflicted this land for decades. My heart goes out to all the families who have been left homeless. This afternoon I will pay a visit to the Aida Refugee Camp, in order to express my solidarity with the people who have lost so much. To those among you who mourn the loss of family members and loved ones in the hostilities, particularly the recent conflict in Gaza, I offer an assurance of deep compassion and frequent remembrance in prayer. Indeed, I keep all of you in my daily prayers, and I earnestly beg the Almighty for peace, a just and lasting peace, in the Palestinian Territories and throughout the region.

    "Mr President, the Holy See supports the right of your people to a sovereign Palestinian homeland in the land of your forefathers, secure and at peace with its neighbors, within internationally recognized borders. Even if at present that goal seems far from being realized, I urge you and all your people to keep alive the flame of hope, hope that a way can be found of meeting the legitimate aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians for peace and stability. In the words of the late Pope John Paul II, there can be “no peace without justice, no justice without forgiveness”

    "Just and peaceful coexistence among the peoples of the Middle East can only be achieved through a spirit of cooperation and mutual respect, in which the rights and dignity of all are acknowledged and upheld. I ask all of you, I ask your leaders, to make a renewed commitment to work towards these goals. In particular I call on the international community to bring its influence to bear in favor of a solution. Believe and trust that through honest and persevering dialogue, with full respect for the demands of justice, lasting peace really can be attained in these lands."

    Pope Benedict speaking at the Square in front of the presidential palace - Bethlehem, Wednesday, 13 May 2009


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    Brian, I am not a Catholic and I didn't hold Pope Benedict in high esteem when he was Pope. However, on this point, I agree with Pope Benedict. As a practicing Catholic, I hope you do as well.

    You didn't say what your news sources are in your "careful watching and analysis of news events in the Middle East over the past five decades." I would hope that it includes some Israeli media sources because Palestinian issues that are openly discussed in their media are somehow "too hot to handle" in the USA media.