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Mildly Machiavellian?

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  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Niccolo Machiavelli, author of "The Prince," describes a form of government where those in power use any means necessary to stay in power. They often claim that the ends justify the means. It seems that US has a very mild version of a Machiavellian government. It often employs terrible tactics and then later claim that the ends justify the means. The torture at Gitmo under the Bush Administration and the NSA spying programs employed by Bush and continued under Obama.

    A significant difference would be that instead of one ruler trying to stay in power, the US seems to have a group of people that spend ridiculous amounts of resources to sustain that power. Powerful corporations seem to have more political influence than the general populous and do whatever they can to maintain it.

    Another major difference is that policy changes and laws are enacted to maintain power in the US instead of violence. A true Machiavellian government would readily turn to violence, like Stalin.

    Because of these two major differences, I use the phrase "mild Machiavellian." But does seem like this to anyone else or am I just being jade and cynical?
  • Strongly Liberal
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    Seattle, WA
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    You've made a very astute observation. And I don't think you're being jaded or cynical.

    Another Machiavelian tactic is identifying an enemy and scapegoating and labeling it as a dangerous threat, for self-serving political advantage. Another is resorting to the tactics of a demagogue who appeals to his nation's emotions, pride, prejudices. And all these tactics are cunningly used by politicians on both the far right and the far left, but particularly by the far right.

    If only more people could realize that, and see through those who will shamelessly do and say anything to rise to power. But alas, the lynch mob mentality can be sparked and the fires of anger ignited very easily -- and it is contagious and spreads fast.

    To me, one of the worst forms of it is exhibited by deceivers who masquerade as religious (and may even believe they are).

    As it says in an article on The Art of Deception, "Adolph Hitler was a prime example because he rose to power in the 1930s claiming in his book and in his speeches that he was a Christian 'doing God’s will.' He didn’t just claim that his nation and race were superior and should rule the world. He claimed that his religion (Christianity) was superior to all other religions in the world and should rightfully rule the world in the name of the Lord, even if it meant conquering all other nations by force of arms. Hitler even claimed that he was ushering in a thousand year reign of the Lord, as mentioned in the book of Revelation in the Christian Bible. And Hitler’s claims of religious, racial and national superiority enable Hitler to make scapegoats of certain groups of people who he judged and condemned, simply on the bases of their religion, race, nationality, culture, sexual orientation, or disability."

    "The folk-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator ... I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
  • Independent
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    Guy Dwyer Wrote: You've made a very astute observation. And I don't think you're being jaded or cynical.

    Another Machiavelian tactic is identifying an enemy and scapegoating and labeling it as a dangerous threat, for self-serving political advantage. Another is resorting to the tactics of a demagogue who appeals to his nation's emotions, pride, prejudices. And all these tactics are cunningly used by politicians on both the far right and the far left, but particularly by the far right.

    If only more people could realize that, and see through those who will shamelessly do and say anything to rise to power. But alas, the lynch mob mentality can be sparked and the fires of anger ignited very easily -- and it is contagious and spreads fast.

    To me, one of the worst forms of it is exhibited by deceivers who masquerade as religious (and may even believe they are).

    As it says in an article on The Art of Deception, Adolph Hitler was a prime example because he rose to power in the 1930s claiming in his book and in his speeches that he was a Christian “doing God’s will.” He didn’t just claim that his nation and race were superior and should rule the world. He claimed that his religion (Christianity) was superior to all other religions in the world and should rightfully rule the world in the name of the Lord, even if it meant conquering all other nations by force of arms. Hitler even claimed that he was ushering in a thousand year reign of the Lord, as mentioned in the book of Revelation in the Christian Bible. And Hitler’s claims of religious, racial and national superiority enable Hitler to make scapegoats of certain groups of people who he judged and condemned, simply on the bases of their religion, race, nationality, culture, sexual orientation, or disability.

    "The folk-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator ... I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
    Hey, someone woke up and admits Hitler was a hypocritical Christian!! That is also the reason the Catholic church closed its eyes over the extermination of over 6 million Jews; his wedding to Eva Braun was done by the clergy of the Catholic church as well. The other thing is the Catholic church enriched itself (the Vatican was in the Axis thus under of Hitlers/Musolini rule) even the golden teeth of the victems were pulled and melted. That is one of the reasons this church is so rich. Indeed our politicians like a lot of " The art of deception" and love to use some of Hitlers doctrine. Very dangerous indeed.