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My Take On Trayvon Martin/ George Zimmerman

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    In the original story the store clerk said Treyvon Martin had a soda in one had and a candy bar for his little brother in the other. No further mention has ever been made.
    I think Zimmerman is a killer plain and simple. He was told not to follow the kid.
    The kid had done nothing to warrant his interest, except to be out on the sidewalk.
    Zimmerman has already shown himself to be a liar. He was caught lying to the judge.
    I hope he gets the ultimate penalty. Unfortunately, most places don't have it, and those who do don't use it.
    Jail is a picnic. and society has let them get away with allowing it. In jail they get free food, free satellite TV, free internet, and unlimited phone use so they can do their drug deals, order hits, and scam the unwary. Where's the punishment? Talked to a man two weeks ago who was complaining that his girlfriend was hassling him about getting a job and helping with the kids and the bills. One kid is his, all three have different fathers. He admitted that he had told his girlfriend he was going job hunting, he was actually going to the other girlfriends, as usual. Said he was tired of the hassle and thinking of robbing a convenience and going back in where there were no hassles. I asked him if he wasn't concerned about getting shot or something. He said no, the police know he doesn't carry a weapon and the store's just had over the loot. No sweat.
    They should require inmates to work and reimburse their victims for their stolen items, damages, medical expenses. And that they should reimburse the police and fire departments, and the courts. Then maybe they would not be so eager for a free ride at taxpayers expense. Which is what Zimmerman will get if he goes to jail.
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    nickpecoraro Wrote: I had to take my wife to the eye doctor yesterday. It is always a couple of hours wait so I got to watch the Zimmmerman trial on TV.

    Here is my take on this.......



    If I was walking home from a convenience store at night and someone was following me, I would find that threatening.

    If I picked up the pace of walking and tried to lose the man following me, but he persisted in following....I would feel more threatened.

    If he finally caught up with me, I would go into fight mode because of the threat to my security. I would think my assailant was about to do bodily harm.



    This is what happened with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.



    For George Zimmerman to now plead self defense is ridiculous. He initiated the situation. He acted in a manner threatening to Trayvon Martin.

    When George killed Trayvon he committed a crime.
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    Nick, I agree with you. George Zimmerman has been described as "timid." He passed the background check and was allowed to obtain and carry a handgun. The problem with timid people and loaded guns is that the timid person sees a threat everywhere. A leaf falls; he wants to shoot at it. A pit bull gets out of his yard, he wants to shoot it. All so that he can assert the masculinity he clearly does not have. Where is it written that "Neighborhood Watch" is code for "carry a gun when you go out and shoot somebody if you don't like their looks?" A lot of people have made a huge issue over the fact that the kid was wearing a hoodie. On a damp, chilly night a hoodie makes perfect sense. I work for a company that handles Aeropostale, and Aeropostale makes and sells an awful lot of hoodies. Apparently hoodies are very popular. If we shot every kid wearing a hoodie, we would wipe out 1/3 of a complete generation. I'm from the era when if a woman got raped, the first thing everybody wanted to know was, "what was she wearing?" As if red nailpolish or a short skirt justified being assaulted! So now we can't say that any more; it's considered politically incorrect (and well it should be). But we CAN say, aghast, "but he was wearing a hoodie!" And that's supposed to justify murder. Would Zimmerman have shot a white guy in the same circumstances? We'll never know. But I think Trayvon's skin color is what swayed Zimmerman to shoot. And where I come from, you shoot somebody who is coming at you with a gun or a knife. You DON'T shoot somebody who is armed with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles.
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    JerseyGirl726 Wrote: Nick, I agree with you. George Zimmerman has been described as "timid." He passed the background check and was allowed to obtain and carry a handgun. The problem with timid people and loaded guns is that the timid person sees a threat everywhere. A leaf falls; he wants to shoot at it. A pit bull gets out of his yard, he wants to shoot it. All so that he can assert the masculinity he clearly does not have. Where is it written that "Neighborhood Watch" is code for "carry a gun when you go out and shoot somebody if you don't like their looks?" A lot of people have made a huge issue over the fact that the kid was wearing a hoodie. On a damp, chilly night a hoodie makes perfect sense. I work for a company that handles Aeropostale, and Aeropostale makes and sells an awful lot of hoodies. Apparently hoodies are very popular. If we shot every kid wearing a hoodie, we would wipe out 1/3 of a complete generation. I'm from the era when if a woman got raped, the first thing everybody wanted to know was, "what was she wearing?" As if red nailpolish or a short skirt justified being assaulted! So now we can't say that any more; it's considered politically incorrect (and well it should be). But we CAN say, aghast, "but he was wearing a hoodie!" And that's supposed to justify murder. Would Zimmerman have shot a white guy in the same circumstances? We'll never know. But I think Trayvon's skin color is what swayed Zimmerman to shoot. And where I come from, you shoot somebody who is coming at you with a gun or a knife. You DON'T shoot somebody who is armed with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles.
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    Would GZ have shot a white guy ? We may never know. I know this though, he would have been found guilty if the guy shot was white.

    With Liberty and Justice For All........ maybe one day.
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    nickpecoraro Wrote: I had to take my wife to the eye doctor yesterday. It is always a couple of hours wait so I got to watch the Zimmmerman trial on TV.

    Here is my take on this.......



    If I was walking home from a convenience store at night and someone was following me, I would find that threatening.

    If I picked up the pace of walking and tried to lose the man following me, but he persisted in following....I would feel more threatened.

    If he finally caught up with me, I would go into fight mode because of the threat to my security. I would think my assailant was about to do bodily harm.



    This is what happened with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.



    For George Zimmerman to now plead self defense is ridiculous. He initiated the situation. He acted in a manner threatening to Trayvon Martin.

    When George killed Trayvon he committed a crime.
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    I guess we are missing the point here. Check out: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/13/shapiro-zimmerman-jurys-verdict-shines-troubling-l/ "The Zimmerman case may go down as one of the most meritless and politically motivated prosecutions in history... Last, year, when charges were originally filed legal scholars criticized the State for reportedly withholding material evidence that supported Zimmerman."
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    First, I'm guessing you couldn't protect yourself from an angry chipmunk. Second, your precious Trayvon had a history of uhhh poor behavior. The tapes prove that Zimmerman contacted the police repeatedly. However, I would agree that this could have been avoided. This is a guy that spent his time and energy to help his community, but was poorly trained and supported. As the saying goes...........the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Then again, maybe that little punk got some street justice.
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    Bess;
    it seems that you are failing to see the forest because the trees are in the way. The police chief was fired because he saw that there was not evidence to support the claims being made by the race baiters to make an arrest, he got fired and was replaced by someone else who would listen to the Court of Public Opinion and also pressure from the Main stream media to arrest George Zimmerman without a Grand Jury indictment, which he did ,and then the first prosecutor saw the case the same way as the fired police chief did and refused to bring charges, well ,he was replaced with a State Atty. General who would prosecute the case as a Murder case, even though there was no malice, hardness of heart or depravity on the part of the defendant, which those elements must be present and proven for a verdict of guilty to be rendered, but still the political motivated trial pressed on, and with no fact witnesses ,and a lot of assumptions and speculations, convoluted and contradictory testimony, the case dragged on to its expected conclusion and that was a not guilty verdict. In this nation we hold most dear the theory of innocent until proven guilty, and that is the states heavy burden and that is how it should be and must be, they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not all doubt mind you, just reasonable doubt to make their case, if they don't make that standard then there is no other verdict but not guilty.
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    nickpecoraro Wrote: I had to take my wife to the eye doctor yesterday. It is always a couple of hours wait so I got to watch the Zimmmerman trial on TV.

    Here is my take on this.......



    If I was walking home from a convenience store at night and someone was following me, I would find that threatening.

    If I picked up the pace of walking and tried to lose the man following me, but he persisted in following....I would feel more threatened.

    If he finally caught up with me, I would go into fight mode because of the threat to my security. I would think my assailant was about to do bodily harm.



    This is what happened with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.



    For George Zimmerman to now plead self defense is ridiculous. He initiated the situation. He acted in a manner threatening to Trayvon Martin.

    When George killed Trayvon he committed a crime.
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    Justice was not served for Trayvon Martin!
    Whether Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, Baha’i’, agnostic, atheist, if you look deep within your heart and mind you do know the difference between right and wrong, the difference between justice for some, and justice for all.
    Granted, the state of Florida has a long-standing history of preventing African-Americans from their right to vote, like much of the south. I question a six member only jury. Where were the other six who customarily serve in any trial? I also question the racially inequitable make-up of the jury, and that of the city’s police force. Where was there any equal representation under the law?
    Perhaps you think this trial does not concern you, but it most certainly does. We all may think that we hold no prejudices in our hearts. Think again. When you see a person out in public wearing clothes that you find distasteful do you have mind-flashes or make statements regarding that person. I have, and so have we all. When you see a young man wearing baggy pants hanging down at the hip, untied sneakers, walking with a specific gate, what runs through your mind? When you walk through a parking lot and you see people of other ethnicities do you walk away from them, avoid them, or walk alongside them? Do you pull a Paula Dean when you see people of color? Do you hold a dislike for people who are extraordinarily skinny or obese? Well, the jury of six had serious personal problems when it came to deliberating between ‘coulda, shoulda,’ and did actually happen.
    The defendant was recorded in his initial phone call to the police as answering yes when asked if he was following Trayvon Martin. He was also recorded as having made a racially hateful slur which was totally in the context of racial profiling. He was clearly told not to follow Trayvon by the police, but he disregarded that warning. He was recorded as first stating that it was not he who screamed for help, and then he turned around and claimed that was so.
    Trayvon was speaking with a friend during the time he was being followed. She was the mere age of 19, with a tri-language background. Some conjectured that she had an attitude with the defense when being cross-examined. I would have really had an attitude if they had put me through the ringer as they did with her. With the exception of one statement that she originally left out when first being questioned by the authorities, she held her ground and maintained the same truth as to what was occurring while Trayvon was being followed by George Zimmerman. Again, the police recording demonstrates that Zimmerman was indeed following Trayvon because he so stated.
    This young witness originally thought that sharing what she knew about the murder of Trayvon was insignificant, which illustrates her level of naïveté’. She also demonstrated a shy demeanor, since she did not offer additional comments during her cross-examination.
    The jury members allowed themselves to be swayed by made-up animation, a cardboard figure, and a block of cement, none of which constituted factual evidence. I am outraged by their lack of judicial conscience and facing truth. The basic facts were, Trayvon Martin was followed by George Zimmerman because he looked like someone he thought was a threat simply because of his complexion and the clothes he wore. He made a personal judgment based on his own subjective feelings. The fact is that George Zimmerman was told to stop following Trayvon Martin, but he refused to do so. The fact is that George Zimmerman got out of his car armed with a gun, pursuing Trayvon without any just cause.
    My ancestors were abolitionists in the 1700s. Because my parents attended a racially integrated parish lead by a remarkable priest who marched alongside Martin Luther King Jr., and Cesar Chavez, protested KKK-like ranchers who hung Mexicans trying to cross the border between Nogales, Sonora and Tucson simply for a better life, I thus been actively engaged in all aspects of civil rights since age three. Consequently, this case tugs at my heart strings and sense of justice.
    The prosecution said the death of Trayvon Martin was not about race. Yes it was! Had he been white, walking down the street at a little past 7:00 P.M., George Zimmerman would not have made the assumption that he was up to no good. This case has everything to do with the personal judgments held by a majority of white jurists, who live in a predominantly Caucasian community wihin a southern state.
    I call upon my family, friends, and teaching colleagues to demonstrate outrage by this verdict of ‘not guilty,’ and become actively involved in speaking up to change this perpetuation of prejudice and racial profiling in America. This land was not at all white in the beginning. A minority of Western Europeans thought they had the God-given right to invade this land, steal it from the Native American tribes to whom it truly belonged. Those same white men brought over African slaves, believing that they were superior because of the hue of their skin. They called themselves Christian, yet the totally ignored the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus, who surrounded himself with people from all stations and backgrounds.
    This may be your time of vacation, where you cast off serious thought, and think only about simple self-made pleasures. Think about the type of children we have chosen to teach, the type of communities we have elected to serve, and our deep-rooted commitment to those children of poverty. Those children are our Trayvon Martins. Our students, our family members, our friends represent Trayvon and his family.
    We cannot and should not sit by and allow this miscarriage of justice to continue. Yes, you can make a difference and you must!
    Now get out there and do something for the Trayvon Martins of our society.
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    Kathi:
    Justice was served just not to your liking, I don't know where you find prejudice and racial profiling in this case if those concerns were not ever brought up by either side, other then the news media trying their best to make this case into something it wasn't and of course the race baiters who needed their time back in the limelight by dragging out the old stereotypical arguments and finding none began to rely heavy on the emotional value of the incident. What law would you want to change, the stand your ground law? The rules of self-defense? What?.
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    Let's remember the point: "The Zimmerman case may go down as one of the most meritless and politically motivated prosecutions in history... Last year, when charges were originally filed, legal scholars criticized the State for reportedly withholding material evidence that supported Zimmerman’s self-defense claims. *http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/13/shipiro-zimmerman-jurys-verdict-shines-troubling-l/
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    nickpecoraro Wrote: I had to take my wife to the eye doctor yesterday. It is always a couple of hours wait so I got to watch the Zimmmerman trial on TV.

    Here is my take on this.......



    If I was walking home from a convenience store at night and someone was following me, I would find that threatening.

    If I picked up the pace of walking and tried to lose the man following me, but he persisted in following....I would feel more threatened.

    If he finally caught up with me, I would go into fight mode because of the threat to my security. I would think my assailant was about to do bodily harm.



    This is what happened with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.



    For George Zimmerman to now plead self defense is ridiculous. He initiated the situation. He acted in a manner threatening to Trayvon Martin.

    When George killed Trayvon he committed a crime.