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Is Another Revolution Brewing in Egypt?

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    I don't disagree with you that our foreign policy with regards to Egypt seems to be nonexistent, but the problem is that there are many countries that give far more than the roughly 2 billion a year that we give them. The vast majority of which is in military aid and not in rebuilding the Egyptian economy. They have little to no reason to worry about the US threatening to pull its aid back because other gulf and oil rich nations will assuredly step in, so we are basically left as spectators. All you have to do is take a look at the way the military rebuked Senators McCain and Graham during their recent trip there. They know that we need them far more than they need us and are taking advantage of that.

    Egypt was stable for a long time, but I believe it was artificially stable. There was a reason that the people took to the streets in 2011 and overthrew Hosni Mubarak. If things were so good there, I just don't think that they would have been able to force him from power. The Muslim Brotherhood was able to take advantage of the power vacuum that followed his ouster to consolidate power in their image instead of building a coalition government of, by, and for all Egyptians. I'm not saying that the military was justified in overthrowing a democratically elected President, but I do question if the Brotherhood is second guessing the divisiveness of their policies that led to their eventual ouster.
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    jared I am by no means saying that things were wonderful under Mubarek, I just saying compare the Mubarek years to what exists today. I think that many Egyptians, probably MOST Egyptians would gladly go back to those days if given the chance.

    We have Egypt as an ally largely because we BUY their friendship. It has worked for decades, and I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's just the way it is. Other countries do it as well, and if country A does not buy their friendship, country B or C will.

    The old saying is: "All's fair in love, war, and politics."

    You say that you think Egypt was ..."artificially stable"... You may be right and the same could be said for Libya under Daffy, Iraq under Saddam, and Syria under Assad. Relative calm for long periods under brutal dictators, and sometimes brutal dictators are what it takes to maintain the relative peace. Relative peace under brutal dictators is sometimes preferable to all out civil war as seen in Libya and Syria and like Egypt seems to be on the verge of.

    That's just an inconvenient truth as Al Gore might say.
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    I've heard the death toll is over 500. Muslims killing Muslims.
    I heard there are mass amounts of weapons currently being shipped
    there. From Libya, and Syria. Putin is interested in supplying weapons
    to Egypt also. It could affect the balance of power in the region.
    Obviously the US wants to sell some arms. Hell, we want to sell them and
    pay for them as well, which is completely legal because we don't call it a coup.
    Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......
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    ..."Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."... Yes everyone knows what it is: a coup, and everyone calls it what it is: a coup, except for our government.

    And the ..."Muslims killing Muslims"... is not a new concept, it's been going on for longer than any of us have been alive. And it will not stop anytime soon. The 500 dead are just the result of the clearing out of the "occupy" type protest camps. Imagine what could happen if real war breaks out.

    Now let's look at Syria for example: UN estimates that more than 100.000 have been killed in their civil war, and it may be much higher than that. And that's not counting all the refugees that have fled the country to get out of the fighting.

    If Egypt erupts into civil war, it has about 4 times the population of Syria, and we have given Egypt so many modern arms over the decades that the potential for death and destruction and refugee problems is almost unimaginable.
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    jamesn Wrote: ..."Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."... Yes everyone knows what it is: a coup, and everyone calls it what it is: a coup, except for our government.

    And the ..."Muslims killing Muslims"... is not a new concept, it's been going on for longer than any of us have been alive. And it will not stop anytime soon. The 500 dead are just the result of the clearing out of the "occupy" type protest camps. Imagine what could happen if real war breaks out.

    Now let's look at Syria for example: UN estimates that more than 100.000 have been killed in their civil war, and it may be much higher than that. And that's not counting all the refugees that have fled the country to get out of the fighting.

    If Egypt erupts into civil war, it has about 4 times the population of Syria, and we have given Egypt so many modern arms over the decades that the potential for death and destruction and refugee problems is almost unimaginable.
    "jamesn" yes you are right; the thing I wonder about is that the US actually has no clue on what in the end will solve this mess. My feeling is like you said, it probably may go in the direction of Syria. The weird thing is lately you do not hear much on the news of what is going on there. But that is how the news works. All of a sudden Obama got concerned about the killing of Egyptian Christians; kind of silly; it speaks for itself that they will be a target in any Muslim middle east country. So what is he going to do about it? No the US has a bad reputation in that part of the world, especially by being buddies with Israel.
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    Dutch ..."What is he (Obama) going to do about it?"... I don't think there's anything he CAN do about it.

    Probably President Obama will issue a strongly worded letter expressing his disappointment, and condemning the slaughter of civilians. That's about all he's got. He can't do anything else and they know it.

    I hope that Egypt does not fall into a Syrian-type civil war, but would not bet against it. As bad as the loss of life is in Syria, Egypt could be so much worse.

    The reason that ..."all of a sudden Obama got concerned about the killing of Egyptian Christians"... is that Syria is our enemy and Egypt is (or was) our friend. Mubarek was a brutal dictator but he was OUR brutal dictator. We bought him just like big corporations and lobbyists have bought so many of our politicians.
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    It was announced to/day that certain factions are targeting Coptic Catholic and other Christian church's and schools, burning 27 to the ground, beating the clergymen and believers and also some reported rapes of the Christian nuns, I mentioned this because there are just too many factions in this region and they all have a different Agendas , although their goals remain the same, they all want to be in charge of all of the other factions, how to resolve this ,I don't have a clue, and neither does the rest of the sane World, sometimes I just want us to leave the region, we don't need their oil, and let those countries hammer it out between themselves, and the rest of the World's nations should refrain from supplying them with Arms or any needs for that fact, and then it's over and what's left, we as a world body should then talk to the new regime and see how we then can repair the area.
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    johnnycee Wrote: It was announced to/day that certain factions are targeting Coptic Catholic and other Christian church's and schools, burning 27 to the ground, beating the clergymen and believers and also some reported rapes of the Christian nuns, I mentioned this because there are just too many factions in this region and they all have a different Agendas , although their goals remain the same, they all want to be in charge of all of the other factions, how to resolve this ,I don't have a clue, and neither does the rest of the sane World, sometimes I just want us to leave the region, we don't need their oil, and let those countries hammer it out between themselves, and the rest of the World's nations should refrain from supplying them with Arms or any needs for that fact, and then it's over and what's left, we as a world body should then talk to the new regime and see how we then can repair the area.
    Sorry you got it wrong; Egypt has no oil. It is the Suez canal what is the issue for us; if the transport is handicapped ( Iranian, Persian Gulf oil. Saudia Arabia) cannot be transported than we will feel it in our gas prices. Furthermore the US meddling in the middle east which already started in 1948 and before has always backfired, why/ because we always bet on the wrong horse. Either religion or money plays a role; not common sense.
    Our love for the state of Israel, is going to be our undoing in that area. Just alone in that small spot of the globe most of the fanatic religions are on top of each other, so no wonder it has come to this. Religion is the curse of humanity and we have to pay dearly for it throughout the centuries.
    I also count under religion "the money church" well known here. Wars are fought either for money or religion and power over the people to get yourself some more money.
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    Morning Dutch:
    I was referring to the region as a whole in regards to our needing their oil ,not specifically Egypt.
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    Guess what ??????????
    They said on NPR today that Mubarak is still being held on one charge but the statute of limitations has run it's course so he could be released from jail as early as today. Be careful for what you wish for because ya might just get it.
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    ..."be careful what you wish for"... Right about that. We wanted a democratically elected president and we got it and we didn't like it.

    MUBAREK FOR PRESIDENT!

    I've got the campaign slogan: He can't possibly be as bad as Morsi! or Back to the Good Ole Days!

    No, I doubt that he ascend to the presidency again, but the slogan is true. I doubt if he would be as bad as Morsi. Then again, the middle east is famous for brutal dictators, so the next guy could be worse than both of them put together. Politics is difficult to predict anywhere, especially in that region of the world, so who knows?

    The real questions are who WILL the next president (or dictator) be? And what will the relationship with the west and the USA be?
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    It's sad to say but if it weren't for the pyramids and other tourist bucks earned... Egypt would be another Syria or Libya, and not too many people would care about the instability and of the govt. process being a mess. Isn't this where the Arab League is supposed to be a guiding group ? Maybe they don't do that any longer.