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Militarization of youth

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  • Libertarian
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    http://www.youngmarines.com/

    http://www.seacadets.org/public/

    http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/

    What is your opinion on military themed youth groups like CAP or Sea Cadets? Do you think it is creepy that we are militarizing youth or is it just plain fun? Would you ever let your kids join Sea Cadets or CAP? Give me your honest opinion. I was an AFJROTC cadet in high school and loved every minute of it. AFJROTC made my high school experience more adventurous! I had the time of my life in AFJROTC Summer Leadership School.

    http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-School-board-votes-to-dum...p
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    CAPcadet Wrote: http://www.youngmarines.com/

    http://www.seacadets.org/public/

    http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/

    What is your opinion on military themed youth groups like CAP or Sea Cadets? Do you think it is creepy that we are militarizing youth or is it just plain fun? Would you ever let your kids join Sea Cadets or CAP? Give me your honest opinion. I was an AFJROTC cadet in high school and loved every minute of it. AFJROTC made my high school experience more adventurous! I had the time of my life in AFJROTC Summer Leadership School.

    http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-School-board-votes-to-dum...p
    Very sick indeed!!! Young kids should be educated in respect for others; how the world works; how other countries work and think; learn about nature; love for animals; study and get educated to get a good job; learn to think ahead; be creative; be neat; forget drugs; accept diversity and study other cultures and learn from it etc. etc.
    All of these camps if they preach for the military and indoctrinate in how to kill; guns; cruelty; learning to being a robot etc. are dispicable.
    It is time this country gets away from their military glorification; wars and killing people who never attacked this country and praising this is absolutely nuts. Therefore education for kids should not contain any militaristic indoctrination.
    Food on the table and a decent job which does not have killing as a product, sounds to me a much better option than being indoctrinated into a killing robot in the future. Rambo's look fantastic on TV; but in reality 1 in 5 in the military comes back nuts, or is missing arms or legs or something else etc. Think about that. No this does not keep America safe; neither in the future!!!
  • Democrat
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    You know whenever I arrested someone they never understood the concept that I was protecting the citizens from them, they were only worried about their rights and will this current arrest affect their current probation status, and when ever I was in country and no matter how many times we held hands and sang "Kumbya", they still shot at us, go figure.
  • Other Party
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    CAPcadet ROTC programs are very good for many young people. Not all, but many, many young people will benefit from the discipline and training that those programs provide.

    It is neither exclusively creepy nor just plain fun but what it is...is good training for the real world. Yes, it can be fun at times, but also learning serious responsibilities and skills that they will have for the rest of their lives.

    No Dutch not all of them are trained as killers, none of them are at this level. And not even close to 1 in 5 in the military ..."comes back nuts, or is missing arms or legs or something"... I know you hate many things about America, especially the military or anything associated with the military but your numbers are way off. Not 20%, not even in wartime.

    Would I let my kids join? Yes but only if they WANT to do it, I would never force them. Show them that it isn't always going to be easy, and give them a true picture of what to expect and if they want to do it then definitely yes.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: You know whenever I arrested someone they never understood the concept that I was protecting the citizens from them, they were only worried about their rights and will this current arrest affect their current probation status, and when ever I was in country and no matter how many times we held hands and sang "Kumbya", they still shot at us, go figure.
    I wonder about whom or what you are talking about; I do not see the connection of miliyary based boot camps.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: CAPcadet ROTC programs are very good for many young people. Not all, but many, many young people will benefit from the discipline and training that those programs provide.

    It is neither exclusively creepy nor just plain fun but what it is...is good training for the real world. Yes, it can be fun at times, but also learning serious responsibilities and skills that they will have for the rest of their lives.

    No Dutch not all of them are trained as killers, none of them are at this level. And not even close to 1 in 5 in the military ..."comes back nuts, or is missing arms or legs or something"... I know you hate many things about America, especially the military or anything associated with the military but your numbers are way off. Not 20%, not even in wartime.

    Would I let my kids join? Yes but only if they WANT to do it, I would never force them. Show them that it isn't always going to be easy, and give them a true picture of what to expect and if they want to do it then definitely yes.
    It is quite simple; what is the purpose of these camps? Why does it have a military title? If there are camps which are pure educational or healthy living, sports etc. then they do not need a military title. If they are sponsered with our tax money to indoctrinate our kids into believing the military has the health of the kid in mind then it is only a tool in gathering/prepping souls for cannon fodder, nothing else.
    Sorry our news media stated many times that indeed 1 in 5 come back with mental problems etc. I did not invent that!!!
  • Democrat
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    Dutch:
    Most of these camps teach motivation, discipline, self respect and team work, which are all part of a military mind set, most kids ,believe it or not, want a particular code of conduct to govern them and they also enjoy the espirt de corps that is fostered in these camps, this type of early exposure to a particular type of self-discipline will do almost all of the kids a great service as they venture into the real world.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: Dutch:
    Most of these camps teach motivation, discipline, self respect and team work, which are all part of a military mind set, most kids ,believe it or not, want a particular code of conduct to govern them and they also enjoy the espirt de corps that is fostered in these camps, this type of early exposure to a particular type of self-discipline will do almost all of the kids a great service as they venture into the real world.
    May be you are brought up that way "which are all part of a military mind set" says it all !! This is exactly what is wrong with this country; it is so embedded here that people can not think differently. In Europe they scold on the military ; only if you are a looser you join. Budgets are also not like here. I went quite a few times to youth camps there; it was pure fun; only sports, campfires search games and cooking etc. No shooting or camuflage war games; it was sponsered by a private institution for second WWII victims. Again I repeat camps with a military name or sponsorship are there only for a purpose other than pure education; "conduct" (military style; Yes Sir; robot style) or sports etc.
  • Other Party
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    ..."1 in 5 come back with mental problems, etc"... I'd be interested in where you get those numbers Dutch, because they are way off. Please tell us where you got that, so maybe I'm wrong. Please give a reputable source.

    And you are wrong about ..."only if you are a loser you join"... it is just the opposite. These organizations turn losers into winners, and for the few REAL losers who are unable or unwilling to change then they can not cut it and are not allowed to stay in the organization. But the vast majority of kids benefit from these programs.

    Maybe what you say is true in your country Dutch but you have it all wrong about our country. You just need to get educated, that's all, then you will see the truth.

    Lots and lots of kids who go through ROTC never go into the real military, and many do. It prepares kids for life whether they choose to go into the military or not.

    No problem with your misconceptions Dutch, you just have the mindset of a person not born in the USA. Completely understandable with your European upbringing during/after WW II with the whole Nazi thing and all that.

    Welcome to America.
  • Democrat
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    No, I was not brought up in that mind set, I was a very much the wild child, I was the one your parents told you to stay away from, I was told by my 8th. grade nun, that I would probably be dead before I was old enough to vote, I was sent away by the Juv. courts system after several encounters with the system for incorrigibility , I was released and was advised to enter the Military where I would learn some self- discipline and self-respect, and also how to get along with others, it worked for me, although I would be considered an extreme case, the lessons learned there as well in a camp setting will serve a child well, as he/she goes forward in their life, its not all about shooting and killing and exploding things, it's more on the lines of knowing who you are and what you can be.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: ..."1 in 5 come back with mental problems, etc"... I'd be interested in where you get those numbers Dutch, because they are way off. Please tell us where you got that, so maybe I'm wrong. Please give a reputable source.

    And you are wrong about ..."only if you are a loser you join"... it is just the opposite. These organizations turn losers into winners, and for the few REAL losers who are unable or unwilling to change then they can not cut it and are not allowed to stay in the organization. But the vast majority of kids benefit from these programs.

    Maybe what you say is true in your country Dutch but you have it all wrong about our country. You just need to get educated, that's all, then you will see the truth.

    Lots and lots of kids who go through ROTC never go into the real military, and many do. It prepares kids for life whether they choose to go into the military or not.

    No problem with your misconceptions Dutch, you just have the mindset of a person not born in the USA. Completely understandable with your European upbringing during/after WW II with the whole Nazi thing and all that.

    Welcome to America.
    "jamesn" as always thanks for your open mind and kindness. The only thing I like to add is why is the US so terribly militaristic.? If I see all the adds, stickers and promotion, this is certainly not done in other countries may be some exceptions, like NK etc. Also which country started the most wars after WWII? Why? As I said before no one wants to invade this country; this country exists only of immigrants and some left over Indians who are the real Americans. So why all the hype and fear and the fondness of uniforms plastered with stripes and medals? What are Americans affraid of? Plenty of terrorists around and the weird thing is that America thinks they all will attack us; while they may be only interested to topple their own government etc. Then of course we have to meddle and get involved; in turn they hate us and create 9/11's. I do not think in Dutchy land that they do such things. So actually this militaristic "hype"creation is something which creates itself by catering to the war industry and keeping up the hype.
  • Other Party
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    Dutch you definitely make good points about the USA. Why is ..."the US so terribly militaristic"... and ..."have to meddle and get involved"...? And all I can say is the US thinks they are the self appointed "Worlds Policeman". Whether that is right or not is debatable, but that's just the way the US is and has been since WWII and none of us can change that.

    Here is the reason: After we helped win WWI the US withdrew and what happened? About 21 years later we had WWII.

    After we helped win WWII we decided to stay all over the globe and what happened? No WWIII, not yet, anyway, 68 years and counting.

    So maybe it has worked to some extent. Yes there have been regional wars, there always have been and always will be, but no world war, thankfully.


    ..."America thinks they all will attack us"... well, sometimes we do get attacked like Pearl Harbor and 9-11. So it DOES happen sometimes.
  • Democrat
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    Who are the true Americans ? good question, the natives were called Indians because the first explorers who were funded by the government of Spain, thought they were in India, so what did the natives call themselves? there were so many tribes and native nations you would hard pressed to say who was here first, some of these tribes trace their ancestors back to the Inca and Aztec Nations, the northern tribes trace their linage all the way back the tribes of Canada and the vast Alaskan expanse. The first settlers were here because of some type of persecution in their native countries , be it religious or political, they wanted nothing to do with politics, new or old, instead they really wanted to be left to their own devices while getting a fresh start, they did not call themselves Americans, they called themselves colonists but were still subjected to the crown of England, and was it after or just prior to the War of Independence that the non-followers of the King of England called themselves Americans, as I said interesting question.