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Heard anything good about the NSA ?

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  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Well the NSA made news this week for flexing their muscle and gather data on zillions of calls. More Big Brother if you ask me.
    I believe the Patriot act is just a blank check to unlimited voyeurism by the govt. and I doubt 1 % of it is helping in the fight against terrorism.

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  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Did these high level officials really believe that this type of snooping on its own citizens would go on undetected? I thought these guys were supposed to be smart.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    tony is this whistleblower a traitor or a hero? They have already claimed to have prevented one terror attack on American soil, as if that justifies it.

    johnny why is anyone surprised? Did anyone really think that they WEREN'T being spied upon? What's your opinion of the whistle blower? Hero or traitor? Will he end up like Manning?

    Coincidence that the whistleblower reveals his secrets and then hides out in Hong Kong at the same time that Obama meets with the Chinese president?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    If the actions that were taken by the NSA ,although proclaimed to be in the interest of national security, was nothing more than a fishing expedition that yielded some surprised results, then they were wrong to engage in such actions, if however ,they had some type of probable cause to look further into someone's background then there is nothing wrong with it, it seems that the old argument of the ends justifying the means is coming into play here, if the Agency can cite only one particular incident that this type of snooping prevented and not say how many citizens rights to their privacy was invaded then the reason given becomes disingenuous , now are they then justified to continue this practice in the hopes of preventing an incident, after all, this snooping did not disclose the Christmas Day plot to blow up an airplane over the City of Detroit, nor the Times Square bomber, and most recently the Boston Marathon tragedy, so is he a hero or traitor is known only to the story teller.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    I don't think it matters what we think, our government is going to spy on everyone all the time. Legality does not matter, constitutionality does not matter, nothing matters except that they are going to do what they want and they will not be stopped. Why do they do it? Because they can.

    I assume that every cell phone call, text message, facebook post, twitter...everything by everyone is being watched or listened to every time. It may not be, but I have to assume that it may be.

    I have no problem with "big brother" monitoring people who are legitimately suspected of crimes or terrorism, but to just snoop on everyone all the time, to cast a net over everyone in the entire country seems wrong, not that there's anything that we can do about it.

    This is another example of big government unrestrained and out of control.
  • Center Left
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    jamesn Wrote: I don't think it matters what we think, our government is going to spy on everyone all the time. Legality does not matter, constitutionality does not matter, nothing matters except that they are going to do what they want and they will not be stopped. Why do they do it? Because they can.

    I assume that every cell phone call, text message, facebook post, twitter...everything by everyone is being watched or listened to every time. It may not be, but I have to assume that it may be.

    I have no problem with "big brother" monitoring people who are legitimately suspected of crimes or terrorism, but to just snoop on everyone all the time, to cast a net over everyone in the entire country seems wrong, not that there's anything that we can do about it.

    This is another example of big government unrestrained and out of control.
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    I agree, people who need to be watched should be watched. However, I don't trust the govt. to make that decision. I saw an old clip on TV recently that showed Obama from the 2008 campaign trail. He quoted the line "Someone needs to watch the watchers". I think that says it all. Interestingly, the govt. spoke to a group of hackers today because they want to hire them.

    This guy who was the whistle blower didn't work for the govt. He worked for a private contractor who worked for the govt. They just said on MSNBC that 1 million private sector individuals have security clearance with the govt. That seems like way too many.

    Is the guy a hero ? I don't know that he is. Was the message good ? Yes.
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    New - about the NSA and tech / cyber attacks

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/10/on_a_slippery_slope_to_a

    "They're not trying to hide this from terrorists, they're trying to hide this from the American public"
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I've noticed that certain officials are downplaying the role this leaker had, they are musing over the his limited education, his intelligence factors, etc. etc. My question is if this so-called private sector analyst was so low level, how was it he was able to access high level intelligence and then divulge the contents of that Intelligence to the Media without the safety protocols kicking in? Just how secure is this electronic media -mining endeavor, if this type of individual can access it?
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    He's missing now........ Is this a spy chase ? I wonder if the NSA, CIA, FBI are after him and he's on the run. Interesting. I read somewhere today that he's been fired but Russia may want to hire him.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Oh, yeah, they are certainly looking for him, they may want to grab him before he blurts out more confidential material and causes even further embarrassment for the Agencies.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    I believe he is in Hong Kong at the present time and the article made reference to a possible trip to Iceland in the future. The level of education has little to do with being able to get around on a computer. I guess we had a high percentage of old people here. Just look at the number of teens that started something on the internet and sold it for millions. I'd like to see one of these young people do a computer simulation of a society that wasn't based on capitalism.
  • Center Left
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    jperry,
    Yes he's in Hong Kong but you can bet he's not in the same hotel room he originally booked. The "Agencies" are urgently looking for this man. A horrible traitor in their eyes. You can bet he can't swipe a credit card. without alarms going off. I doubt he'll make it to Iceland without being nabbed. For his sake, he better have a lot of cash on him as his cards are being watched. The phone numbers he might dial are being monitored.
    I would be surprised if he's not caught by next week. Unless he seeks asylum in China or somewhere else. A trip to an embassy might be in order. Of course the "Agencies" have already thought of that.