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Republicans and Democrats Agree: The 4th Amendment Doesn't Matter

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Republicans and Democrats fight about everything from the tax code to what color the sky is, but they seem to be falling over themselves to agree on one thing: the NSA needs to spy on us, for our safety. Top Senators in both parties are lining up to say that this is nothing new and that the NSA has to do this to keep America safe. Their excuse is that it's been going on for far longer than any Americans were led to believe and no citizen has ever registered a complaint against it. That seems highly suspect, considering Americans weren't informed of this record collecting in the first place.

    Now, I am aware that the program supposedly only collected call times and the location of the call, but that is just one step closer to a blanket surveillance program that allows the government to listen in on any call they deem necessary for the sake of national security. I'm not a big believer that big brother is out there to get me, but I also am a firm believer in the 4th Amendment of the Bill of Rights. We Americans seem to be so focused on our 2nd Amendment rights and the government taking our guns away that we often forget we have other rights, as well.

    Story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/verizon-phone-records-nsa_n_3397058.html
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    While picking up a couple of pizzas I had a chance to see the speech and comments etc. A republican was saying. "president Obama has overstepped his authority."
    This is an NSA program started by Bush. The collection of records was not started by President Obama and was an ongoing, renewable program which he may not have to be involved in. Having said that, he could have stopped it. We have a more serious problem that is associated with this issue.
    Our intelligence community is more dyslexic than I am. I have considerable problems communicating. Our 16 intel groups don't get along or communicate well. Yes, there are 16 of them, and we still can't get things right. I see the intelligence community as an area ripe for a budget cut. It's expensive and if they provide useful information might be worth it. I'd combine them and then start making cuts unless improvement was shown.
    I also feel the CIA will continue to sell drugs and guns to finance their pet projects.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Shortly after the 9-11 horror and the media disclosing none of the police organizations, national security agencies and our government offices knew how to communicate with each other. If any information was known by any authority, it was kept secret from the rest of the countries security agencies and police authorities. For example, if the FBI knew something about 9-11, they would not share that information with the New York Police, the CIA, the Secret Service or the National Security Agency. As I understand much of this character of keeping information from other authorities has changed. The Government has been building for several years many "Fusion Centers". This is a compilation of mining data about criminal activity both local, state, national and terrorist occurrences in our country and across the world. You can search on Fusion center and find the existing locations. The disaster of 9-11 and our country realizing idiots were in charge of the information, but did not know how to use it was a problem, so Fusion Centers were developed.

    I'm sure all our cell phone activity and drone spying is catalogged in some data mine where all these Fusion Centers are networked having access to everything. Additionally, I will not be surprised that some things of knowledge sharing still is not available to some who really need-to-know. Those in charge and may suffer from intimidating characterization are those that say who should be in the "need-to-know". Those Management types often will keep private to themselves as trophys of "see what I have and you don't" mentality. They are the wrong type of cahracter for these jobs to allow knowledge to be shared across the board. Of course, there should be control on data leaks to the press or some terrorist group, but that should be auomatically controlled within the organization.

    This posting as well as all others we do may very well be data mined into the Fusion Center Network. I have nothing to hide and I am proud to be an American, Democrat, Vietnam Veteran, Protestant, Boy Scout, Married with children and grand children. I welcome the information into the Fusion Center with open arms and an open door, which I have coffee and cookies ready to serve. What I do object to is some Fusion Center Network contamination that leaks any information to groups that have a special agenda, like salesman, purchasing characters, life styles accounting and terrorist groups. So, we should all hope that the Fusion Center Network is protected from these criminal activities like the Chinese evesdropping on our computers and businesses.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    How many have the Republicans and Democrats agreed on things and then the Republicans would be against them when it came to a vote?
    The issue with Verizon was started by Bush and the Republicans are placing the blame 100% on President Obama. If you notice they are attempting to imply that that it is not only wrong; but that it was implemented by the Obama administration. What is the attention span of the US voters?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Portland, OR
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    I personally don't believe this is a democrat versus republican issue. This has definitely been going on for far longer than President Obama has been in office, but he also ran in 2008 as someone that is above the policies of the former administration. I understand that once someone is elected that everything changes, but the pesky thing about the 4th Amendment is that it supersedes any law that is passed in the name of national security before or after any one President is elected.

    I agree with the President on a range of issues, but I have to admit that I am worried about any governments ability to reign itself in after the American people have given it so much power to "protect" them. Can you imagine if Romney had won and how he would use the abstract language throughout the Patriot Act to justify what he wound up doing? I'm thankful that we don't have to worry about that now, but we are destined to have another Republican president again and I question if as many liberals would be willing to give a free pass to a Republican president.

    On the other hand, many Americans have no problem giving up ALL of their privacy when it comes to Facebook, Twitter, etc. It is somewhat ironic that the same people who are so upset about the government snooping on them could care less that Facebook knows each and every thing about them and never think twice that seemingly every advertisement they see online is based on their browsing and purchase history. It seems as if the battle on real privacy has been lost before most Americans realized it started.
  • Independent
    Cape Coral, FL
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    Sadly I believe many Americans are misinformed and not informed at all. I believe our National Security has been breached. I also know that Bush did start this surveillance in 2001. PRISM was alive and well under George Bush. Congress is denying blame, but they are the government branch that passes laws.