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Judge: Sheriff Arpaio's agency engaged in racial profiling

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  • Democrat
    Mojave Desert, NV
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    "A federal judge’s ruling that the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office engaged in racial profiling against Latinos could bring significant changes to the agency’s controversial approach to immigration enforcement.


    "U.S. District Judge Murray Snow issued a lengthy ruling that prohibits sheriff’s deputies from using race as a factor in law-enforcement decisions, from detaining people solely for suspected immigration violations and from contacting federal immigration authorities to arrest suspected illegal immigrants who are not accused of committing state crimes."


    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20121109sheriff-arpaio-racial-profiling-...


    Looks like we're cracking down on law enforcement efforts that profile the public. No more targeting of people who look or act foreign-born when enforcing immigration law and no more targeting tax critics who might be misrepresenting their tax status to evade taxes.


    It appears that the hands of law enforcement efforts are being tied by the anti-law & order crowd.
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    Profiling is wrong. You have the right not to be harassed simply due to the color of your skin. NYC is having trouble for the same idiotic policy.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Help me out me here, if your looking for illegals who are Latino and your on the Mexican -US. border, what is the criteria that should be used?
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    You check to make sure businesses are not hiring them. No need to harass the legal ones in hopes of finding an illegal one. Only conservatives view a trodden on civilian as collateral damage.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Although I wasn't involved in Border duties or even immigration issues, but if I had apprended an Illegal, I simply called Immigration, however while on patrol and a radio call goes out that there is Black male a certain height,at a certain weight, wearing whatever, is jiggling closed business doors and also parked auto's, this is a white neighborhood, I check the area out and I find the allegged suspect, matchs all of the description given ,do I stop him for investigation and do a pat down because there is a bulge on his waist band and although I didn't see him doing anything, was this a legal stop based on a profile given by radio, now to further confuse the situation, he admitts to jiggling the door of his car because he sees his car keys dangling from the ignition and out of frustration ,he jiggled the door in the hopes that he left the door unlocked, when he realized he didn't ,he went to a nearby store that appeared to be open and jiggled the door in hopes that it was open so he could buy something to break the side window of his car to gain entrance, now if I believe his story and allow him to proceed on his way and later that evening he is caught breaking into cars. Now if I didn't stop and investigate because of a profiling issue and its found out that I had the suspect earlier but didn't investigate ,I am called a idiot, who shouldn't be allowed to carry a weapon and quite possibilty be disciplined by my dept. for not doing my sworn duty,on the other hand if I stop him and his story is true, then I am called a racist because I stopped him because he was black and I should be taken off the streets and retrained in racial sensitivity classes, and also because of my insensitivity I can kiss any promotion goodbye or a coveted transfer will be tossed out. BTW, this actually happened, and I didn't believe his story and he was indeed checking cars out and he had a record of breaking and entering both cars and business's, I also wasn't disciplined or had profiling charges brought against me, I guess I patroled in a socially unenlightened time.
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    Bad example. Very bad. But par for the course.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    How is that a bad example when in fact it happened? Profiling is the study of charactoristics based on known data and applied to circumstances where all of the facts are not fully known. Sort of like circumstancial evidence as opposed to direct evidence.
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    Almost 30% of the population of AZ is Hispanic - stopping "Hispanic looking" people in AZ is sorta like stopping Italians or Germans in Philly and asking where you can buy a cheesesteak sub & a beer!

    Not to mention sherrif Joe wasn't stoping them while investigating a possible crime, he was stopping them "Jus' 'cuz they was Hispanic"
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    johnnycee Wrote: How is that a bad example when in fact it happened? Profiling is the study of charactoristics based on known data and applied to circumstances where all of the facts are not fully known. Sort of like circumstancial evidence as opposed to direct evidence.
    Oh please. You were given a description and what the questionable behavior was. That isn't profiling.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    When your state has the second largest number of illegals in the country,something must be done, as I understand it ,the deputies were told to ask for id when they stopped anyone for traffic violations or just an ordinary vehicle stop, sometimes there were 8 people in a car,sometimes the vehicles were just coming out of the desert and onto county roads, not a crime but in this area it causes concerns and warrants a second look, this to me is good police work, to a certain segmet of the population it borders on facism,and if I lived in AZ, where BTW, a entire 5 square mile area of Pinal County, Az, in the USA is signed as a warning to the legal residents that there are drug traffickers in the area and to take the neccessary precautions, I would welcome an increased police /border patrol presence.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Gems; just what is your defination of profiling?
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    johnnycee Wrote: Gems; just what is your defination of profiling?
    Mine is the official one. Yours? No clue, but it isn't the real one.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Not an answer Gems, I gave you my official defination as it was read to me from a directive although it was simplified for me and less wordy.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Not an answer Gems, I gave you my official defination as it was read to me from a directive although it was simplified for me and less wordy.
    Last post to you EVER!!!!!
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    Dover, TN
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    johnnycee Wrote: Although I wasn't involved in Border duties or even immigration issues, but if I had apprended an Illegal, I simply called Immigration, however while on patrol and a radio call goes out that there is Black male a certain height,at a certain weight, wearing whatever, is jiggling closed business doors and also parked auto's, this is a white neighborhood, I check the area out and I find the allegged suspect, matchs all of the description given ,do I stop him for investigation and do a pat down because there is a bulge on his waist band and although I didn't see him doing anything, was this a legal stop based on a profile given by radio, now to further confuse the situation, he admitts to jiggling the door of his car because he sees his car keys dangling from the ignition and out of frustration ,he jiggled the door in the hopes that he left the door unlocked, when he realized he didn't ,he went to a nearby store that appeared to be open and jiggled the door in hopes that it was open so he could buy something to break the side window of his car to gain entrance, now if I believe his story and allow him to proceed on his way and later that evening he is caught breaking into cars. Now if I didn't stop and investigate because of a profiling issue and its found out that I had the suspect earlier but didn't investigate ,I am called a idiot, who shouldn't be allowed to carry a weapon and quite possibilty be disciplined by my dept. for not doing my sworn duty,on the other hand if I stop him and his story is true, then I am called a racist because I stopped him because he was black and I should be taken off the streets and retrained in racial sensitivity classes, and also because of my insensitivity I can kiss any promotion goodbye or a coveted transfer will be tossed out. BTW, this actually happened, and I didn't believe his story and he was indeed checking cars out and he had a record of breaking and entering both cars and business's, I also wasn't disciplined or had profiling charges brought against me, I guess I patroled in a socially unenlightened time.
    "radio call goes out that there is Black male a certain height,at a certain weight, wearing whatever" The dispatch just issued a description, not a profile. The legal difference between the two are great.

    "I find the allegged suspect, matchs all of the description given" "do I stop him for investigation and do a pat down because there is a bulge on his waist band" Reasonable suspicion now exist to preform a Terry Stop and Frisk

    "was this a legal stop based on a profile(description) given by radio" Yes decided by the SCOTUS Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)

    "now if I believe his story and allow him to proceed" This is saying that a trained officer has investigated and the tier of suspicion never rose to the level of Probable Cause to make an arrest. Without witnessing a Misdemeanor or forming probable cause that a felony is or is about to be committed, there is no cause for arrest and the person should be set free. Any further detention could be a violation of the 4th Amendment.

    "I had the suspect earlier but didn't investigate, I am called a idiot " Idiot is not the proper word, but the general public's average educational level and improper word usage, should not cause you an Officer of the Law any harm. If you failed to investigate, you should be disciplined by your department if not terminated. You took an oath tp preform these duties.

    "I stop him and his story is true, then I am called a racist" You were provided a description, the references in the description were made by someone else. You were following procedure whether the description was a Red man, Brown Man or White Man.

    Bases of the story, without forming Probable Cause to make an arrest, you legally can not detain the suspect any longer. Once your suspicions have been quelled, any further detention puts you at risk, due to violations of the 4th Amendment. Which can very well result in a Civil Suit, and Qualified Immunity will be of no defense, since as an Officer of the Law you should be familiar with a persons right to be free, and the 4th Amendment.