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Does Pope Francis' New Announcement Turn Pascal's Wager on its Head?

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    Zach F Wrote: I wouldn't think that the Cardinals would assassinate the Pope... but stranger things have happened.
    They voted him because the direction the church had been going was not good. This is the one who the church felt would make for a more nice church while the last one threatened to excommunicate nuns that didn't rant against gays. Only the anti gay would be against this Pope.
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    I wish I could remember his name, but several years ago, a Pope was elected who was quite "liberal" in his ideas, & would have brought about some much needed reforms in the Church. We would probably not now have the pedophiles, the closing churches, the lawsuits, & the horrible things that have happened -- if that Pope was allowed to live out his term. But "mysteriously" the new Pope with all those liberal ideas, just happened to DIE very suddenly, -- nobody seemed to know (or advertise) the reason. But he was soon replaced with another "old school" type Pope. Years later, there was a very gentle "hint" that the more moderate Pope had been assassinated by inner Vatican forces. (shadows in the night). Does anyone know his name?
    ---- By the way, PGR -- I think I'll take a shot glass of wine, along with you guys. Or maybe two :)
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    That would be Pope John Paul I (1978) his tenure was only 33 days long, no CSI back then, so we are left with all types of conspiricy theories.
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    The conservatives in the church who miss Bennie are in a pickle. If they bump off this pope and replace him with one like the prior the backlash will come from more than just the faithful. And if this nicer pope is successful then the conservative element may suffer the same credibility problem our conservatives face.
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    Oh what a tangle of web deceit,when we first spin the web of deceit,some old guy said that way back when
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    Yep, I don't know which "old guy" that was : ) but he said, "What a wicked web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." Or something fairly close to that. I wish the new Pope would be able to do his reforms, since that would be miraculous in some ways. It would create such an outreach for the Catholic Church, which they sorely need, to keep money flowing into their coffers, to pay for their charities world wide. So much good can be done by the church, if they were not having to spend so much money on pedophile lawsuits. The NEW POPE could lead to a renewal of faith in the church, & get so many new converts. Especially if they did not damn to Hell, any non-Catholic who wanted to marry a Catholic.

    Thank you, Johnnycee ---- for finding out it was Pope John Paul I (1978) who was "cut adrift" for being too liberal.
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    Zach F Wrote: Blaise Pascal put forth Pascal's Wager which argues that all humans wager with their lives that either God exists or God doesn't exist. And with that wager comes either infinite rewards or infinite loss. It is therefore better to wager on the side of the existence of God to avoid the infinite loss scenario as best as possible. Of course, the argument completely falls apart when you consider all the possible gods that there are to worship. It's not a simple 50/50 scenario at all. Plus you would have to consider all the gods that have no even been considered.

    But Pope Francis has added something new to the wager: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

    Which now means that, according to the Catholic Church, that even atheists will be welcome into heaven as long as they are good people. This sort of gets rid of the "infinite loss" scenario all together. I'm not sure if what the Pope said applies retroactively to all atheists who have ever live or only to the ones living now. Guess it would be a little awkward to see the guy you stoned to death for denying the existence of God back in the 15th century suddenly sharing the basketball with you up beyond the pearly gates.

    I wonder how Blaise Pascal would alter his argument knowing that even atheists get into heaven now. As for me, the validation of an organization that hates gays and shelters pedophiles doesn't really make a difference to me.
    John 3:18

    King James Version (KJV)

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    God and his son are slime.

    The pope is a liar like all the Popes. Catholicism in based on the Bible and that little snot Jesus said it's either kiss his smelly ass or go to hell.
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    FatBastard Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: Blaise Pascal put forth Pascal's Wager which argues that all humans wager with their lives that either God exists or God doesn't exist. And with that wager comes either infinite rewards or infinite loss. It is therefore better to wager on the side of the existence of God to avoid the infinite loss scenario as best as possible. Of course, the argument completely falls apart when you consider all the possible gods that there are to worship. It's not a simple 50/50 scenario at all. Plus you would have to consider all the gods that have no even been considered.

    But Pope Francis has added something new to the wager: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

    Which now means that, according to the Catholic Church, that even atheists will be welcome into heaven as long as they are good people. This sort of gets rid of the "infinite loss" scenario all together. I'm not sure if what the Pope said applies retroactively to all atheists who have ever live or only to the ones living now. Guess it would be a little awkward to see the guy you stoned to death for denying the existence of God back in the 15th century suddenly sharing the basketball with you up beyond the pearly gates.

    I wonder how Blaise Pascal would alter his argument knowing that even atheists get into heaven now. As for me, the validation of an organization that hates gays and shelters pedophiles doesn't really make a difference to me.
    John 3:18

    King James Version (KJV)

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    God and his son are slime.

    The pope is a liar like all the Popes. Catholicism in based on the Bible and that little snot Jesus said it's either kiss his smelly ass or go to hell.
    Sorry to this language is inappropiate; I'm an atheist, but believe that any and every human has a right to be what they want to be. Live and let live is my motto. Popes and humans are exactly made of the same flesh and blood and both die and turn to dirt.