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Two Mile Wide Tornado Devastates Oklahoma City Suburb

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    A two mile wide tornado nearly leveled a town south of Oklahoma City today, causing a widespread damage. Moore, Oklahoma was in the cross hairs of this massive storm and incurred the worst of the storms wrath. The storm has the potential to wreak havoc on upwards of 500,000 square miles of land and forecasters fear that the worst of the storm is yet to come.

    My worry is that the scientists that have been warning about this for years are beginning to be proved correct. We have spent years denying and debating the issue of climate change, but scientists have sounded the alarm for quite some time that these weather anomalies are going to become the norm and not the exception. I also fear that it will be too late once our society finally realizes we have a major problem on our hands.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    It seems this tornado made a direct hit on an elementry school in the town of Moore with over 24 children killed so far and with the recovery teams still searching for more victims, I am not going to comment on the pros or cons of climate change, I'll leave that for another day,in the mean time ,all I can do right now is offer prayers for the rescue of all the victims that can be rescued and my heart goes out to all of the parents who have lost their children to this storm and to all of the other families whose loved ones are also gone, my God bless them and keep them. I will not apoligize for the religious overtones of this post.
  • Republican
    West Hollywood, CA
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    I thought that "the planet has a fever!" Now liberals don't use the term "global warming" anymore, but talk about "climate change." Tornadoes, and huge ones at that, have been around for thousands of years. The only reason why some people (liberals) believe that there are more of them and that they are bigger than they have ever been is because you don't understand that with modern technology (satellites, i-phones, etc.) and a more populated earth we are seeing more of them because 50 years ago someone's grandfather could talk about a two-mile wide tornado but no one saw it except him because there were only 15 people living in the area and the other 14 people who saw it too are now dead. I have yet to hear one liberal who believes in global warming, oh I'm sorry climate change, actually be able to give me one fact to prove it. That is an amazing fact. Not one liberal can actually give me one single fact that supports "climate change," and I'm not talking about "the earth is getting warmer." Can you tell me the average temperature of the earth last year, and the year before? Do you know that "scientists" are changing the places where they used to collect weather data to places that are more conducive to the results that they want to achieve? Only someone who is truly arrogant would actually believe that people have the power to alter the climate of the earth.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It's not a liberal versus a conservative thing...it's science. The Climate Change deniers have never been able to put forth contrary arguments that haven't been debunked.

    The Guardian: Climate research nearly unanimous on human causes, survey finds

    "A survey of thousands of peer-reviewed papers in scientific journals has found 97.1% agreed that climate change is caused by human activity."
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I would have to disagree with you whole heartily, Kurt. It seems that you are the one that is blindly accepting the right wing's talking points as fact. Here are the real facts.

    1) The earths CO2 concentration is now at 400 ppm. The last time it was that high was over 3 million years ago, during the Pliocene period. The seas were also upwards of 82 feet higher back then. That would wash out the eastern and western seaboards. That's a scientific fact.

    2) 97 percent of scientists attribute climate change (or whatever you choose to call it) to humans. That number is astronomical and it is just ignorant to disavow it. Just because you, as a layman, don't believe in it, does not mean that it is not real.

    3) There is ZERO, and I repeat ZERO, scientific body of national or international standing that disagrees with the scientific facts of climate change. The last "scientific" group that tried to discredit climate change was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007 and their study was widely rejected by every scientific body out there.

    Just because you believe you are right doesn't mean that you are right. The earth is getting warmer and there is no doubt about it. We can disagree on how to fix it, but there is zero doubt that it is real. It is just wrong for you to suggest otherwise. If you have actual FACTS to back up your theories, then I would like to see them.
  • Democrat
    Tulsa, OK
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    I don't know what it is going to take to convince people like Kurt S who insist that heat melting ice is only a theory that something is wrong but this should give any reasonable individual pause:

    http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/article/2012/summer-2012-brought-record-breaking-melt-to-Greenland

    Yogi Berra once said you can observe an awful lot simply by watching. Here in Oklahoma, where annual or monthly historic climatic phenomenon is becoming the norm, we have recently had two winters (2010-2011) where we had record cold temperatures and record snowfall amounts followed by two summers (2011-2012) where we set records for high temperatures (number of days and consecutive days). This winter, 2013, has been mild by most local standards however, we have NEVER EVER had low temperatures in the mid-30's in the month of May when we set new multiple record lows in the state. I had my heating unit operating on May 4th which is unheard of!

    To be a supporter of Sen. Jim Inhofe means you must chant his mantra "Global warming is a hoax." Please duly note all the contributions he has taken from Big Oil whose livelihood depends on convincing enough people that the vast majority of climate scientists do NOT have their best interest in mind.

    Today we had yet another record setting tornado topping our last record setting tornado (May 3rd, 1999) which hit the same town (Moore). We have a long hot summer ahead. It is becoming not a matter of IF any high temperature records will fall but how many.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Kurt S Wrote: I thought that "the planet has a fever!" Now liberals don't use the term "global warming" anymore, but talk about "climate change." Tornadoes, and huge ones at that, have been around for thousands of years. The only reason why some people (liberals) believe that there are more of them and that they are bigger than they have ever been is because you don't understand that with modern technology (satellites, i-phones, etc.) and a more populated earth we are seeing more of them because 50 years ago someone's grandfather could talk about a two-mile wide tornado but no one saw it except him because there were only 15 people living in the area and the other 14 people who saw it too are now dead. I have yet to hear one liberal who believes in global warming, oh I'm sorry climate change, actually be able to give me one fact to prove it. That is an amazing fact. Not one liberal can actually give me one single fact that supports "climate change," and I'm not talking about "the earth is getting warmer." Can you tell me the average temperature of the earth last year, and the year before? Do you know that "scientists" are changing the places where they used to collect weather data to places that are more conducive to the results that they want to achieve? Only someone who is truly arrogant would actually believe that people have the power to alter the climate of the earth.
    There is some credibility to the claim that natural disasters are not getting worse, there is just a higher concentration of people living in areas where disasters occur. So the death tolls and the property damage is higher.


    However, this is just part of the problems with natural disasters that come along with severe weather. Global warming, climate change, whatever you want to call it is a reality. And with that reality comes more severe weather. More of the Sun's energy is being stored in the Earth's atmosphere, surface and oceans and that is the same energy that cause winds, and pressure systems. It powers hurricanes and blizzards. It melts icecaps and glaciers.

    Climate change is not a "liberal position." That would be like calling gravity a "political stance." Climate change is a problem that needs to be addressed. There are many workable solutions ranging from reducing carbon emissions, to massive ocean kelp forests that would be able to reduce the carbon levels naturally. My personal favorite is a system of thousands mirrors launched into orbit so humanity can control the amount of energy hitting the Earth (I'm aware that this solution is extremely cost prohibitive and doesn't actually solve the problem of massive amounts of carbon in the atmosphere, it just sounds pretty cool).

    The entire scientific community is pretty much at a consensus on this issue. You can do simply Google search for all the facts and numbers if you like. The only people who are fighting the reality of climate change are the politicians, the businessmen who would not benefit, and the people they have convinced to follow them. When it comes to scientific matters, I find it's best to listen to actually scientists and not to some lawyer who won a bunch of votes.
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    File under "Only in America". Most homes in Michigan have basements and a tornado is a rare event. Oklahoma is a tornado breeding ground and almost none have basements because that clay is hard to dig through.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    GemsWoven Wrote: File under "Only in America". Most homes in Michigan have basements and a tornado is a rare event. Oklahoma is a tornado breeding ground and almost none have basements because that clay is hard to dig through.
    I guess we discussed before the issue of that states here are in fact individual countries. For instance in FL where I live all houses are built with concrete blocks or solid concrete, just as a precaution for hurricanes. When I was in SC they just built it from 2x4's on a slab, so it depends if the building code is adjusted to events of nature. Hurricanes like Sandy can hit anywhere, but all our coastal states have different codes as is proven with Sandy, Charly, Wilma etc. I'm amazed that the building codes in tornado alley have not been changed to FL standard.
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    It is not that all storms are getting. But that the chances of bigger storms is getting better. Weather will always be a roll of the dice. But increasing levels of greenhouse gases weights the dice.
  • Liberal
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    Poor Kurt, the hay wagon overturned as it was passing under the bridge and he was thrown off, only to be captured by a roaming gang of Trolls who obviously worked their "magic" on him and relieved him of any common sense he may have been born with ;(
  • Center Left
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    GemsWoven Wrote: File under "Only in America". Most homes in Michigan have basements and a tornado is a rare event. Oklahoma is a tornado breeding ground and almost none have basements because that clay is hard to dig through.
    Basements are really cost prohibitive in South. The water table is most areas is pretty shallow and causes flooding, mold and other water damages. It Special measures must be taken during building to combat this. There are a many houses that have basements but they are mostly found on small hills or hillsides.
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    Michigan is where you dig a hole and stand back and watch it fill with water. There is a trick, be quick. The family lived OKcity for one year. Me mum said "this is suicide" and we left.
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    GemsWoven Wrote: Michigan is where you dig a hole and stand back and watch it fill with water. There is a trick, be quick. The family lived OKcity for one year. Me mum said "this is suicide" and we left.
    Yor mum ain't dum!
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    The funniest thing to happen while there and what prompted the move was this. We had a 232lb Saint at the time. Heard Brandy making a deep growl and looking off in the distance. Mom went to see what it was then said "In the house idiot". A week later we were boxed up and gone.