Dragon Wrote: I enlisted in '66 simply because I thought it was the right thing to do, for me. I didn't support the draft. I felt that it was a personal decision for each of us to make.
In later life I've reflected on the draft and have concluded that it served two important purposes. It got a lot of people involved in what our government was up to, verbally and at the ballot box. It also influenced the judgment of our elected representatives who had their own families in the mix when it came to putting Americans in harm's way.
I'm of the opinion now that we should be considering some form of compulsory national service. It could be a two-year draft or a four-year stint of non-military service. And a less-than-honorable discharge from either should carry the same stigma and civil penalties.
johnnycee Wrote: When I was in the service there was always a certain amount of distain for draftee's because they were made to join and did not enlist as most of us did, we felt that our patriotism was above reproach while theirs was suspect, they even had a distict service prefix before their number such as RA, stood for regular Army, NG was for national guardsman,and US meant that you were drafted, most of the enlisted personal were of my age 18 or 19, draftee's tended to be older and less able to be mallable by the DI's, thats not to say they were more afraid or braver then any of us, one thing that they had that we RA's didn't have and that was a political awareness of our government and more often than not they didn't follow blindly into unknown situations, to which I will always be thankful for.
Dragon Wrote: That's the effect of obedience to any law.
Dutch Wrote: Dragon Wrote: That's the effect of obedience to any law. Nuts; Thus if you live in NK you should be just a f.... robot? The same applies here; the military just carries out what our leaders tells you to do; you are trained to do that blindly otherwise you are court marchalled. Thus in other words you have become a plain robot who then kills innocent farmers etc. without blinking, because someone up there tells you to do that. Anyone who joins the forces should know in advance that they are no longer individuals but only "tools" for not always the right things.
jamesn Wrote: Dutch as usual you got some things wrong. Big surprise, huh? For an old guy from the Netherlands you do pretty well but it's time for me to correct you again.
Our military are not quite ..."trained to do that blindly"... They are trained to follow LAWFUL orders. Notice the word LAWFUL. If your CO gives you an order that you consider UNLAWFUL, then you can refuse it and it's you against him in court.
If your CO tells you to shoot the president of the USA are you going to do it. No, you will refuse and you will ultimately win. That is an extreme example and it is tough to refuse any order but sometimes it has to be done.
In the "fog of war" what is lawful and what is unlawful...that's a tough one.
But, no, our soldiers do not ..."blindly"... follow any and all orders. You may think so but you would be incorrect.