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The "War Effort" got us out of the Great Depression

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  • Independent
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    A short, but important book that should be of interest to anyone who has an interest in getting
    our economy back. Creating jobs might help. But we're not about to see massive off-offshoring
    are we? And robotics are a-coming more and more. So what's the country to do?

    the title: The "war effort" got us out of the Great Depression
    . . . .now we need a government funded peace effort

    The premise: the fed. financed the private-sector conversion for war-manufacture mobilization
    million suddenly were back at work. Well we surely do want to accomplish re-employment,
    certainly not for military matters. But the "war effort" paradigm (govt. directed/funded)
    may be the only way to get a PEACE EFFORT up and going, not only creating new jobs for
    the populace, but creating a new ecological and economic system for our future.
    Just a couple of the many ideas I put discuss in THE "WAR EFFORT" GOT US OUT OF . . .
    Transparent roofing material thus providing illumination by nuclear fusion (the sun)
    A nationwide installation of "gray water" systems in homes and elsewhere so that we
    stop using purer water than most of the world has to drink . . in which to shit
    Adapting electric material-handling motor and battery systems (forklift/pallet jack)
    for "commuta-cars", at least, if not for longer distance vehicles. Charge getting
    low, pull into a "battery-station" and they slide the one out, the charged one in,
    you pay and you're on your way. This system would enable regional generation
    (wind and/or other) for the station's recharging facilities


    In the book I present many more such ideas regarding vehicles, lighting, traffic, traffic lighting,
    nuclear waste as heat-source . . . . .

    The "war effort" got us out of the Great Depression
    . . . . now we need a government funded peace effort . . .

    by Appleton Schneider
    available for Kindle download paperback edition from www.LULU.com
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Check out Keep From All Thoughtful Men: How U.S. Economists Won World War II.

    Hint: they didn't hold up the surrender flag because they were worried about government deficits.
  • Independent
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    Carlitos Wrote: Check out Keep From All Thoughtful Men: How U.S. Economists Won World War II.

    Hint: they didn't hold up the surrender flag because they were worried about government deficits.
    Sorry to say that type of economics is absolutely deplorable; sure the war industry created plenty of jobs and made a few people very rich. However how do you value the loss of lifes in wars compared to the economic gains. After the "wars" of course the employment picks up to rebuilt what has been destroyed. Is that the way of the future? I hope not. To produce things just to destroy is not at all economical related; it sure does not give a return on investment nor makes this world a better place; especially if you drop something nuclear.
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    That 'type' of economy was acceptable to beat Hitler. And if we can have full employment in war-time, we can have it in peace-time.
  • Independent
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    The Government is loosing popularity with our present military actions in South West Asia, even the War on Drugs. They are scrambling to create new wars. Now why would you want to halt their efforts, they have been at this for many years? Are these synthetic panics harder to promote in the age of the internet, where one can question the information brought to us by the general media sources?
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    Carlitos Wrote: That 'type' of economy was acceptable to beat Hitler. And if we can have full employment in war-time, we can have it in peace-time.
    In 1943 Ford advertized their brass shell casings. A National Geo collection does have its benefits. The war economy first made war goods then after the war washers, ovens, cars, homes, etc for the millions returning. Then civil rights inspired us to export our manufacturing jobs. A service economy is a fantasy that has a nasty downside. Your model indicates the majority should have a government job, ala Greece. We need an economy that makes things.
    "MADE IN AMERICA"
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    Carlitos Wrote: That 'type' of economy was acceptable to beat Hitler. And if we can have full employment in war-time, we can have it in peace-time.
    Not exactly. The only time we ever have "full" employment is during a wide scale war. Capitalism requires a partially unemployed labor force in order keep wages down. Competition between capitalists for workers drives wages up.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    MMT supports a 'rules based' Job Guarantee in the public sector for anybody able and willing to work. Thereby, the market of unemployed job seekers would determine the amount of government spending needed to support full employment.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    What is a Job Guarantee? by Bill Mitchell, MMT co-founder.
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    Carlitos Wrote: MMT supports a 'rules based' Job Guarantee in the public sector for anybody able and willing to work. Thereby, the market of unemployed job seekers would determine the amount of government spending needed to support full employment.
    But we've never seen that outside of war time have we? Could it be that the system ( the capitalists ) won't allow it ?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Yes and no. It's not just the capitalists. As you can see, we got old-school Democrats (social democrats) here who can't believe it or accept it either. But you're spot on about "capitalists" opposing full employment. Existence of a large unemployed pool of workers creates a market advantage for capitalist business owners. And it's caused by the government! They love centrally planned unemployment!
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    The big difference economically from the days past getting out the great depression with creating the war industry was jobs, but mostly less population. Look at the population today verses the population during the Great Depression. See the difference. For us to counter similar elements of a depression today a major war effort would cripple our economy. Decades would past before we could see any recovery. Our world economy is tied globally, which it wasn't during the Great Depression.

    I do agree and will always advocate a lifelong affair with funding a peace effort. To better tie our global markets together, stop interferring with markets in other countries, and pursue world enterprise inviting all countries to participate. Once business and markets start working globally, we will see an end to war on this planet. Business will eliminate the dictators and religious freaks because they will be against business success. Tyranny will be replaced with large sums of money being passed around and people will become more happy.

    The above good feeling sounds wonderful, but is a long way from happening. Our people in the world that rule are to greedy and power hungry. They would rather enslave than make freedoms. We have too many criminals that are incapable on making peace with anyone. These criminals would rather kill, murder, rape, and cripple people just to prove their unending desire to prove their dominance. These criminalistic people of the world are in all walks of life, rich or poor.

    Get rid of the criminals in this world and you could see a funded peace effort work. I say keep up the charity effort to fund peace, it doesn't hurt, but it is far from ever working. Just don't promote starting another damn war and please don't mention this to Cheney. That bastard will send us back to Iraq again.
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    You just made a great arguement for nationalism and isolation. For you see we have always dealt on a global scale. We imported Dutch Elm disease, Chestnut blight and a host of other cool things.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: The big difference economically from the days past getting out the great depression with creating the war industry was jobs, but mostly less population. Look at the population today verses the population during the Great Depression. See the difference. For us to counter similar elements of a depression today a major war effort would cripple our economy. Decades would past before we could see any recovery. Our world economy is tied globally, which it wasn't during the Great Depression.

    I do agree and will always advocate a lifelong affair with funding a peace effort. To better tie our global markets together, stop interferring with markets in other countries, and pursue world enterprise inviting all countries to participate. Once business and markets start working globally, we will see an end to war on this planet. Business will eliminate the dictators and religious freaks because they will be against business success. Tyranny will be replaced with large sums of money being passed around and people will become more happy.

    The above good feeling sounds wonderful, but is a long way from happening. Our people in the world that rule are to greedy and power hungry. They would rather enslave than make freedoms. We have too many criminals that are incapable on making peace with anyone. These criminals would rather kill, murder, rape, and cripple people just to prove their unending desire to prove their dominance. These criminalistic people of the world are in all walks of life, rich or poor.

    Get rid of the criminals in this world and you could see a funded peace effort work. I say keep up the charity effort to fund peace, it doesn't hurt, but it is far from ever working. Just don't promote starting another damn war and please don't mention this to Cheney. That bastard will send us back to Iraq again.
    Freedom, you got it right again; indeed the present world is not the same one as in 1950's; my point is "nature" with their many ways, like diseases, wars, natural disasters etc. tries to control over-population. However due to our own doing, inventing nuclear devices, better healthcare, food production, etc. the world populations only grows larger and larger, so this is asking for "nature" to come up with something horrific to reduce this population one way or an other. Living things on this planet should be in harmony with its resources, otherwise certain species will become extinct.
    If we continue on this path indeed we may become the one's who become extinct.
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    Of course we will go extinct. That be a given. 'Tis the fate of all species. But we may just be the first specie to drive many species including ourselves into it. A few million years from now a new specie may notice there are trace elements in the dirt that aren't natural and the age of man will unearthed.