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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    On the news; a 5 year old kid kills his little sister of 2 with a special made childs gun. They mentioned that a gun factory has made guns especially for kids; I do not know what it looks like but as this story shows it can kill. The parents got this thing for their kid. After this happening the parents seemingly did not care, because they said the kid is now in a better place. This story is again typical American; guns and army is so indoctrinated it is a disease here; then on top of it the religeous excuse. Very sick indeed. Who in their right mind gives a gun to a 5 year old? The kid will not be procecuted neither the parents. So up to the next event; may be they get a medal from the NRA.
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    Kinda like the mindset in Japan prior to and during the war. If there is a call to duty, like after 9/11, watch who runs to the recruitment offices.
  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    Dutch Wrote: On the news; a 5 year old kid kills his little sister of 2 with a special made childs gun. They mentioned that a gun factory has made guns especially for kids; I do not know what it looks like but as this story shows it can kill. The parents got this thing for their kid. After this happening the parents seemingly did not care, because they said the kid is now in a better place. This story is again typical American; guns and army is so indoctrinated it is a disease here; then on top of it the religeous excuse. Very sick indeed. Who in their right mind gives a gun to a 5 year old? The kid will not be procecuted neither the parents. So up to the next event; may be they get a medal from the NRA.

    No, No. Dutch. You've got it all wrong. We should be insisting that these pre schoolers be given a course in gun handling and target shooting. There'd be less chance of shooting your little sister if you know what you're doing.....unless , of course, she pisses you off or something like that. The NRA should get right on this.......2nd Amendment and all that.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    This is the website of the outfit selling 0.22 rifles for kids and the gun that the five year old used to accidentally kill his sister:

    Crickett: My First Rifle


    When I looked at it after the shooting, it had in "Kid's Corner" all kinds of photos of very young kids shooting their rifles. That part of the website has since been taken down.

    Keystone Sporting Arms, the owner of Crickett rifles, also owns another website: Chipmunk Rifles.


    Take a look at the Chipmunk products for kids. Amongst their youth rifles they also sell some 0.22 hand guns in pink...for little girls.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    And some parents probably feel proud that they purchased such a prize for their small child. After all the kid may need the tool for killing on a bad day. To say the daughter/sister is in a better place is sadly true. A better place because it's away from crazy parents who don't know how to raise children.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    When I was 7 I had shotgun that was made for kids. Completely lethal. I also had zero access to it without adult supervision. It was always locked in gun cabinet. The only time I got to handle it was my dad and I would walk around the country. I was raised with strict gun safety in mind.

    With that being said. And I know there is a good chance that I'm going to get hell for what I'm about to say. I do not think owning a gun should be considered a right. A right is something that everyone is entitled to. I think gun ownership should be a privilege. Like driving a car. I think it is ridiculous that there are more tests for driving a car that owning a gun. If you are incapable of handling the responsibility of owning a gun, then you should not be allowed to own or operate one. Just like driving a car.

    Sorry about the rant.
  • Liberal
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    Zach F Wrote: When I was 7 I had shotgun that was made for kids. Completely lethal. I also had zero access to it without adult supervision. It was always locked in gun cabinet. The only time I got to handle it was my dad and I would walk around the country. I was raised with strict gun safety in mind.

    With that being said. And I know there is a good chance that I'm going to get hell for what I'm about to say. I do not think owning a gun should be considered a right. A right is something that everyone is entitled to. I think gun ownership should be a privilege. Like driving a car. I think it is ridiculous that there are more tests for driving a car that owning a gun. If you are incapable of handling the responsibility of owning a gun, then you should not be allowed to own or operate one. Just like driving a car.

    Sorry about the rant.
    Not a rant - the truth is the truth wheather people want to accept it is a whole 'nother subject!
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    Some people amaze me. These guns have been produced for many years. But now we have these gun control advocates who's ideas are founded upon baseless means, that they will exploit anything from Grandma to the grand kids to promote their agenda. "Avoid the real issues and blame the object" should be their motto. Why are these guns made for children? Because whether you like it on not, children going hunting is a part of many families heritage. I can remember when I was young and looked so forward to going hunting, I see this with the kids today and how happy they are when off on a hunting trip. The misguided gun control advocates need to remove their heads out of their behinds and address the real issues if they are in fact serious about harm reduction.
  • Center Left
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    Boone Wrote: Some people amaze me. These guns have been produced for many years. But now we have these gun control advocates who's ideas are founded upon baseless means, that they will exploit anything from Grandma to the grand kids to promote their agenda. "Avoid the real issues and blame the object" should be their motto. Why are these guns made for children? Because whether you like it on not, children going hunting is a part of many families heritage. I can remember when I was young and looked so forward to going hunting, I see this with the kids today and how happy they are when off on a hunting trip. The misguided gun control advocates need to remove their heads out of their behinds and address the real issues if they are in fact serious about harm reduction.
    This isn't some isolated incident that people are taking and blowing out of proportion. over 900,000 gun related deaths in the last 40 years. While stricter gun control would not have prevented all of them, it go far to prevent mass shootings, accidently shooting, crimes of passion, etc which is well over half.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    These are different times, where my wife today would be rid of me overnight if I had ever given my five year olds a 22. I grew up with my BB gun a Daisy model at age five. I remember saving my change for a cardboard tube of bright copper BB's to hunt frogs, birds, snakes and even the sneaky tin can/bottle on the fence post. When I became of age 7, maybe 8, I got first 22 rifle. It held about 13 long rifle cartridges and about 17 short rifle cartridges. I was in heaven where no longer did I need to pump the BB gun to get compressed air. Just bolt-action-in a 22 cartridge, point, and pull the trigger. Man, that was fun. My trusted friend, a collie named "Laddie", and I would get up early in the morning and go hunt. We were a team. Laddie would locate the squirrel and wait while I, "bang", brought him down from the tree. Laddie was so good that he would stop and look back at me, because I was making too much noise, which he knew how to listen to locate a squirrel. I knew to stop making noise and let Laddie do his job. He was a smart dog. When I became of age 11, maybe 12, I got my first shotgun. It was a single barrel pump 16GA that held one in the chamber and three in the loader. I learned that if I took out the wooden plug in the loader, I could get six rounds for a total of 7 while fully loaded. I was a commando, of course that was before the Rambo movies and Vietnam, but I had an imagination.

    Those days are long gone and while watching all the horrors of our society and wars, I have changed. I no longer have the desire to hunt and I am very critical of those who misuse their freedoms for the purpose of having a gun. I do not challenge anybody for their right and love of hunting, however, I do object to the senseless street killings and useless wars. A good friend of mine was just shot two years ago while jogging by a a driveby and he passed as result of the injury. I still remember the time I was shot. It was 1970 and home on leave from the military for Christmas. A friend of mine had rented out a large bar for a group of us to have a good time and celebrate the New Year. A good friend of mine and our dates had left the party and started to get into the car. A clearly classic nomad, pulled up alongside with little room for me to get in to the drivers side and leave. Four black youths wanted the drink I had in my hand. I gave the drink to one of the youth and noticed a barrel of a gun. To this day, I feel angels on my shoulder pulling me back and pushing me into the drivers side of my vehicle. I told all my friends to get down, because they are going to shoot. As soon as my date layed her head down on the center console and I laid my body down on hers, theres a blast. Two blasts tore threw all glass on the drivers side and through the passenger side. I ended up with glass in my eyes and buckshot in my back. I was numb, but had sense to tell my friends that I am shot and to get me to a hospital. I was really worried about my eyes. The only other injury was a hand that had glass scrapes on one of our dates. We were fortunate that the car with the black youths and gun sped off. Today I am questioned by xray nurses about the white globbs in my back and even TSA at the airport scanners go off, which I have extra attention and questioning. The trama doctor left in my back alot of the fragments because he would do more damage digging them out. So, I have seen my share of violence and maybe this event caused me to have a less desire to hunt again. I do deplore the anti-gun control efforts and see a senseless movement of human beings and their love of guns and killing without regard of life. Anyway, I do miss hunting with my dog Laddie.
  • Center Left
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    I agree. Did I hunt as a child ? Yes. Loved it. Started about age 8 and the first 5 years of hunting..... I played dog. Kicked bushes and under growth trying to stir up a rabbit of pheasant. Learned all of the rules about not walking in front of the others. At the end of the day we'd shoot the guns for fun. I didn't get a gun until I was about 13. A 410 shotgun. I used it safely and when hunting was over we went home and it was stored in my parents room. With strict rules that I would not touch it. I'm not suggesting that kids can't or shouldn't hunt. I just don't think kids should have free access to guns or ammunition. They just aren't mature enough for deadly weapons.
    I do think that a bb gun is a good compromise. It's a gun that can hurt someone. Put an eye out. But 99.99 % not deadly. I did have a bb gun at about age 7 but no damage and no injuries.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    I also have a golden memory of a 410, but was an over and under combined with a 22. Loved it and had fun, but I loved my 16GA more, it kicked harder and made me think I just blew up a NAZI tank. Imagination is wonderful in a preteen. Those were fun times. My dog would bark with glee as if saying shoot it again.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    I only went hunting once, well it was an attempt at hunting, In Pa. when deer season opens it is just crazy, back when I just returned from overseas and my enlistment was up, active duty wise , my uncle took me deer hunting and when we parked and we were getting the our gear out of the truck, I heard some many rounds going off in the woods ahead of us , I said there can't be that many deer in there to warrant that many gunshots, so I elected for my own safety of course,to wait in the truck ,which I did for very long day and early night, havn't been hunting since.
  • Independent
    Spooner, WI
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    When kids are big enough to hunt or shoot a gun, you give them a shotgun or 30.6 and teach them to shoot, and tell them that guns KILL and they are not toys!! I never allowed my kids to have 22s or BB guns, they are too much like a toy, I remember when a bunch of my friends when they were in early teens, had a weekend shootout with BB guns playing cops and robbers- - -I'm still amazed no one lost an eye.
    If they are not big enough to shoot a shotgun or rifle, then they shouldn't be shooting anything else and you don't go around killing things with BB guns and 22s just for the fun of it, Make them appreciate life, you kill to eat or protect yourself, you do not just shoot birds and small animals for fun, it's not right. ps44
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    ps44 Wrote: When kids are big enough to hunt or shot a gun, you give them a shotgun or 30.6 and teach them to shot, and tell them that guns KILL and they are not toys!! I never allowed my kids to have 22s or BB guns, they are too much like a toy, I remember when a bunch of my friends when they were in early teens, had a weekend shootout with BB guns playing cops and robbers- - -I'm still amazed no one lost an eye.
    If they are not big enough to shoot a shotgun or rifle, then they shouldn't be shooting anything else and you don't go around killing things with BB guns and 22s just for the fun of it, Make them appreciate life, you kill to eat or protect yourself, you do not just shoot birds and small animals for fun, it's not right. ps44
    Yes you have the right idea; the point is it should be the responsibility of the parents, in this day and age kids do not longer have the discipline as for instance in the 50's. The other problem is the gun manufacturers who see an oppertunity to sell more of that stuff; they do not care as long as they are not sued. We as kids had bows and arrows which were as dangerous; a little girl lost her eye because of it in our town.
    Therefore somehow the kids can not be blamed, but the parents.