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Costly day in Afghanistan

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Just saw an amazing piece video was on the of news on TV; A huge 747 cargo plane climbing in take-of and then it looked like it stalled, flipped on its side and dove downwards into the ground in a huge fireball . Rebels claimed they shot it down. If I looked at the video, I'm more of the opinion that they pulled a bit too hard on the stick and stalled out. But anyway add the cost of that thing to our fantastic war cost. Luckily only a crew of 5 got killed. If it there would have been a load of soldiers on board this would have been a huge disaster, Sure our government is saving right now a lot on our wars we will get the bill for this as well. Hallejuja, praise the war lovers.
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    Denton, TX
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    Everything that I have been reading has suggested that a piece of cargo was not properly secured and shifted during take off. The shift in weight caused the balance of the plane to drastically change which prevented the plane from gaining left. Plane stalled and hit the ground.

    Of course, I know nothing about aviation, so this is a lay person explanation from me, and is likely, grossly over simplified.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    We should know more when the data and voice recorders are recovered.

    Maybe an engine or engines lost power. Too early to know.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Zach F Wrote: Everything that I have been reading has suggested that a piece of cargo was not properly secured and shifted during take off. The shift in weight caused the balance of the plane to drastically change which prevented the plane from gaining left. Plane stalled and hit the ground.

    Of course, I know nothing about aviation, so this is a lay person explanation from me, and is likely, grossly over simplified.
    Yes you are right; indeed if that was a heavy tank or pallet or something like it; yes then you have a problem, but anyway how many copters/planes are already lost in that war? In the military they just do stupid things all the time; they can't even free hostages or killing Osama without loosing at least one or more copters. Also their maintenance and discipline is lousy; so no wonder; but what does the Pentagon care, their non existing budget is endless let's buy some more F35's so we can crash those as well We as sheep will foot the bill and keep on sleeping.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    This aircraft was reported as a civilian transport airplane.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: This aircraft was reported as a civilian transport airplane.
    Sure; but guess who loaded the plane? Of course they hire in civil transports, because they need so much supply there and their transports are smaller C117 's etc. But anyway my message is not about planes and who rents them; the message was the total waste in that war, which is now the burden around our necks.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Maybe its just me but I feel all wars/conflicts after the ending of the WWII were a total waste, in WWII there was a visable enemy aka the Axis Powers, there was a difinate goal in mind and when the means to end the war arrived,The atom bomb, it was used to end the war. Wars being fought to/day seem to have no viable ending and when the end is in sight, they find another reason to further the fight, I just don't know who to believe anymore.
  • Other Party
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    The first Gulf War wasnt a waste. What was the world going to do, let Saddam take over the world? He already took Kuwait and was on his way to taking over the entire Persion Gulf. We got a coalition, went in fast, did the job, then got out fast and no occupation. If we have to do any war, that's the only way to do it.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: The first Gulf War wasnt a waste. What was the world going to do, let Saddam take over the world? He already took Kuwait and was on his way to taking over the entire Persion Gulf. We got a coalition, went in fast, did the job, then got out fast and no occupation. If we have to do any war, that's the only way to do it.
    No I do not agree; the US should stop being the policeman of the world; we should only act if it concerns US citizens , just do not get involved insome elses mess; they will hate you for it and they eventually will look for revenge. Quantamono Bay is already irritating the whole world, which is right now creating new terrorists anyway so they do not need the "old" ones; while we are affraid to deal with these prisoners in a legal way like the Nurnberg trials after WWII. Our stupid policies like you describe have always a backlash; that is why we fought Saddam a second time. No we will always be on the loosing end of the stick; because of meddling all over the place; they hate us in NK, they hate us in Iraq, they hate us in Cuba, they hate us in Venuzuela, they hate us in Afghanistan and Pakistan, they hate us in Iran. you want me to go on and on? NO it is time the US gets its own affairs straighten out,before messing in the rest of the world. We are unable to even protect little kids from our own guns or make any decent immigration or gun laws, in the meantime we are broke because of our wars and nutty money handouts to semi dictators who will drop us like a stone as soon as we lift our heels. Etc. this stupidity in this country is eventually goingto bite us in the butt for sure.
  • Other Party
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    ..."the US should stop being the policeman of the world"... and I do not disagree with that. But it's not going to happen. We can talk and argue about it all day and it will not change a thing.

    And the first Gulf War DID concern US citizens. Letting Saddam take over a sovereign country and quarter of the worlds oil supplies did not just concern US citizens, it concerned the whole world. Should we have let him loot an entire country, steal all it's wealth, rape pillage and burn everything to the ground? And he would not have stopped with just Kuwait. Maybe that did not concern you but it DID concern US citizens.

    Do you think Saddam should not have been stopped?
  • Other Party
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    And...do I want you to go on and on about how the whole world hates America? Obviously no one can stop you because you repeat it over and over and over and I do not expect you to stop.

    Nor will I stop correcting you by saying that America is also loved all over the world.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Desert Shield and Desert Storm were a complete waste of time and money, for what, to overturn a tyrant selectivly, there were and still are cruel tyrants in the Middle East and we leave them to their own devices . So what did we accomplish other than getting rid of Sadamm,granted our combined forces along with the resources from other Nations made quick work of Sadamm's military might, but what did we as Americans gain, did we get cheaper oil? No, we get a very small percentage of our energy needs from that region, we have not gained any creditbility in the area, in fact in some places they hate us even more.I am not denigrating our soldiers, but I am questioning our motives .
  • Other Party
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    Yes there are still cruel tyrants in the Middle East, it's been that way for centuries and one little war or even a big war was not going to change that. We just stopped one partucularly cruel tyrant from taking over the entire region. ..."Did we get cheaper oil"... no but the free flow of oil was maintained which kept the worlds economy from collapsing. Do you think he was going to stop with just Kuwait? Hell no he was going to keep going until he had it all in that region. And maybe beyond that.

    And you think we should have just stood back and let him run wild? We (the rest of the world) decided to stop him and for a change we did it the right way.

    I am not defending any other war other than the first Gulf War which lasted how long? 100 hours. Compared to 10 plus years in Afghanistan where we are STILL wasting lives and dollars and accomplishing nothing.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    And after our stunning defeat of the Hussan regime oil prices came tumbling down and Europe enjoyed plentiful energy needs for the foreseeable future, I don't think so,its really amazing how our leaders think, it was ok for Sadamm to gas the Kurds,men women and children, but to upset the power structure in the Middle East (read Saudi"s Family oil /opec) we now have to interven to save lives ,its all BS, thats why I said it was a waste of time and money,and thank God it only lasted 100 hours, mainly because of superiour air power. This why Bush 1 did not go into Baghdad,the mission was Kuiwite andnot Iraq, unfortunity Bush 2 was conveniced by the same people who were disappointed by the fathers reluctence to finish off Sadamm,to go into Iraq and finish what they belived was dads mistake, they did this by accussing Iraq of sort of participation in 911, even though Al-Quida was nowhere in Iraq nor were any Iraqis part of the group that carried out the 911 attacks,so yes, I believe war is BS.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jamesn Wrote: Yes there are still cruel tyrants in the Middle East, it's been that way for centuries and one little war or even a big war was not going to change that. We just stopped one partucularly cruel tyrant from taking over the entire region. ..."Did we get cheaper oil"... no but the free flow of oil was maintained which kept the worlds economy from collapsing. Do you think he was going to stop with just Kuwait? Hell no he was going to keep going until he had it all in that region. And maybe beyond that.

    And you think we should have just stood back and let him run wild? We (the rest of the world) decided to stop him and for a change we did it the right way.

    I am not defending any other war other than the first Gulf War which lasted how long? 100 hours. Compared to 10 plus years in Afghanistan where we are STILL wasting lives and dollars and accomplishing nothing.
    No, we do not need any wars; the point is, because of our capitalistic ways we need resources all over the place; a lot of people and companies have tried to be independend of this but in the end did not succeed; oil, we can be independed of it and if we use a mixture of solar, natural gas, etc which we have not accomplished. Other resources like cheap employment overseas, should be slowly but surely be reduced; we've got just about the lowest minium wage in the world, so why milk the poor Bangla Desh people and close your eyes for work safety etc. So in other words wars are caused by us, because of our greed. If we would have another attitude around the world then wars are a thing of the past. Real world wars are already just about impossible because of all the nuclear junk around. Small wars should only be fought because a lot of Americans got killed somewhere, not for because they don't like us and we do not like them as is happening now. Take Syria, we have no bussiness interfering; there is no harm done to any American; it is an Syria internal affair; none of our bussiness. It is time the US should stop acting like a little kid and has a syndrome that everyone wants to harm us like " Johny has taken my lolly and I'm going to sent my Dad to hit him in the nose"