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  • Center Left
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    The US believes that Syria has used nerve gas. Stories below:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22297569#

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/sarin-tainted-blood/?utm_source=feedbur...
  • Independent
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    If you have problems with "Allowed" then you must have loved the links you posted.
    The first (top) one:
    "US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has said American intelligence believes "to some degree of varying confidence" that Syria has used chemical weapons."
    "to some degree of varying confidence" It really makes me feel more Secure know that the present administration has finally gotten my favorite Intel Agency under control so that we can feel confident in reports obtained from them. The only thing they have done is to make Bush look better with this one. Well at least we are getting closer to WMD.
    For the second one
    The statement that impressed me the most is the last line. “The world is waiting for American leadership.” That can only come from a member of Congress.
    I believe that it is now time to start a thread on entering wars, planning it and seeing it through.
    We have now reached a high level of ability in sticking our nose into the business of sovereign nations.
    We have crossed the bridged the gap between peace keeper and aggressor.
    We have a good first half but after the break we faulted and quite claiming a major victory and making the world a safer place to live and providing a stable government.
    If we begin with Iran/Iraq we must ask ourselves which time?

    http://hnn.us/articles/1066.html
    “America’s interest in the Middle East grew exponentially after World War II because of oil. The Middle East was serving as a pipeline for British and French empires prior to the war, but the U.S. quickly came to dominate the petroleum resources of the region; by 1944 American corporations controlled over 40 percent of Middle East oil reserves, and by 1955 U.S. companies were producing over 50 percent of oil from the region, and providing Europe with over 90 percent of its oil imports.
    Of course, such economic interests would require political hegemony as well, and the United States acted forcefully in the postwar era to consolidate control over Middle Eastern states. In 1953, the CIA organized a successful coup against Iran’s nationalist leader, Mohammed Mossadegh, who was planning to nationalize oil resources, and in 1955, the U.S. facilitated the establishment of the Baghdad Pact, an alliance between Iraq and other Middle Eastern states to contain the Soviet Union and Arab nationalism, as well as to coordinate military, political and economic affairs in the region.
    At this time, Iraq, under the leadership of King Faisal, was a reliable U.S. ally, but the specter of Arab nationalism, represented by Egypt’s President Gamel Abdel Nasser, would cause dramatic changes in Baghdad. In July 1958, a nationalist coup led by General Abdel Karim Kassim ousted Faisal and the new government maintained friendly relations with Nasser. Later that year, however, President Dwight Eisenhower sent 14,000 troops into Lebanon to “restore order” and Kassim got the message, assuring the U.S. that its interests in Iraq were safe and distancing his regime from Egypt, but also removing Iraq from, and thus ending, the Baghdad Pact.”
    A limited few in Iraq were able to accumulate extreme wealth and power while the lives of the most left much to be desired. Human Rights were not an issue with little to no information being available pertaining to living conditions at that time. Exon, Mobile and others called the shots and the Government of Iraq responded. An excellent movie on the subject: Day of the Falcon. I plan to watch it again this coming weekend. I find that there is sometime more truth in fiction then in non-fiction or documentaries.
    Similar conditions existed in Mexico during the same period and an acquaintance was a ‘Diagonal Drilling Engineer” in Mexico when the oil companies of the US were told to leave. They packed their bags and left the country leaving all their equipment behind. (I just assumed that the wrong politicians were getting paid off. The living conditions/standards for the people dropped because their lives were unchanged and the prices of food etc. increased due to the US presents.
    Note: You really have to love Capitalism for the ability of the wealthy to give no thought to the People.
  • Center Left
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    jperry,
    Your take on this issue is interesting. The article you posted a link to is almost 8 years old. It was interesting though.
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    TJ Wrote: The US believes that Syria has used nerve gas. Stories below:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22297569#

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/sarin-tainted-blood/?utm_source=feedbur...


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    I knew this would come up; the warmongers (Mc Cain and associates) are itching to start a new war; of course their ugly faces were on the news.
    The other thing (timing is everything) is that the "Bush" hypocrites opened their libary; and forgot to mention how many people got killed because of them and how great the deficit is because of their fantastic wars. The only thing they could utter is "god bless America"; I doubt if any "god" would bless America with their hypocrite attitude and actions.
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    This is a very dangerous situation which should not be taken lightly. The big problem for the USA is that President Obama has make some barely veiled threats of military action if Syria uses chemicals, which they may have already done.

    Hopefully restraint will rule the day.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: This is a very dangerous situation which should not be taken lightly. The big problem for the USA is that President Obama has make some barely veiled threats of military action if Syria uses chemicals, which they may have already done.

    Hopefully restraint will rule the day.
    Yes you are absolutely right; we do not even know who we are dealing with; the rebels are possibly anti American as well.
    My message is stay the hell out of it.
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    The U.S. believed the Maine was blown up by the Spanish. Nope.
    The U.S. believed Iraq was building a nuke. Nope.

    There is always an alterior motive to U.S. belief.
  • Independent
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    Tony: "Your take on this issue is interesting. The article you posted a link to is almost 8 years old. It was interesting though."
    8 years old or 50 years old is not important. We have been working against governments in the Mid East for at least 60 years, which is the point being made. We take what we want and only give when we are sure we will get more back. I have tried to teach a simple concept all my life:
    If you help someone, don’t expect anything in return. The reason you should help them is they need help which should be your only motive for doing it. Another way to put it is, do the right thing for no other reason than it’s the right thing to do
    In the early 1940's a group in Union Sq. (Somerville, MA) provided activities on Saturdays for kids in the area which included anything from making models to trips. They charged nothing and asked for nothing.
    When 17 I had a blow out on Rt. 2 in either Concord or Lincoln (I was close to the town line) while driving at a little over 100 mph, I had changed the tire but could not get the car started. A tractor trailer stopped and the driver offered assistance but the battery was weak at that point, he explained that he couldn’t do anything including a jump start. We got into his rig and drove to his office in W. Acton to get his pick up and returned to my car. The shock of the tire blowing was severe enough to damage the battery; a jump start got the engine running. I offered to pay him and as he climbed into his pickup he simply said, “Do the same for someone else.” and drove off.
    Some things we never forget, the Salvation Army and the truck driver are two things I’ve always remembered.
    As a nation we do things expecting more in return or we start doing things and stop before the task is completed because we find we will not get back as more than we put in.
    “The 1988 Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations concluded: "The saga of Panama's General Manuel Antonio Noriega represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures for the United States. Throughout the 1970s and the 1980s, Noriega was able to manipulate U.S. policy toward his country, while skillfully accumulating near-absolute power in Panama. It is clear that each U.S. government agency which had a relationship with Noriega turned a blind eye to his corruption and drug dealing, even as he was emerging as a key player on behalf of the Medellín Cartel (a member of which was notorious Colombian drug lord Pablo Escobar)." Noriega was allowed to establish "the hemisphere's first 'narcokleptocracy'". One of the large financial institutions that he was able to use to launder money was the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), which was shut down at the end of the Cold War by the FBI. Noriega shared his cell with ex-BCCI executives in the facility known as "Club Fed". Club Fed is a term that describes a prison whose accommodations are less severe than many other prisons. The term is a pun on the "Club Med" chain of all-inclusive resorts. The 1999 movie Office Space made a reference to this style of prison by referring to it as a, "white-collar, minimum-security resort." Wikipedia
    The CIA put him in power. The CIA knew of his drug connections. The CIA supported him when he held a free election of which he stopped the vote counting when it showed his opponent would be elected.
    The CIA took him out of office when he wouldn’t do what he was told.
    Our involvement in the Middle East has not been much different than that in Central America with the major difference being the influence of the oil companies. Our intervention in the Mid East is not for their benefit, it is for our benefit. We are there to protect our interests, claiming that it is for Our National Security. Looking over the past few decades we see nations that were considered friends become nations that are now enemies. Our foreign policy is determined by who give us what we want and has little to do with freedom, democracy and human rights as we close our eyes to conditions in “friendly” nations.
    If we were truly the Nation we claim to be, standing for Democracy, Freedom, and the Rights of individuals would we have the problems we now have?
  • Independent
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    Here we go again, it "weapons of mass destruction" all over again. And the same scare tactics that were used in Desert Storm. This reminds me of the Drug War. Every few years a synthetic manufactured threat of some vicious new drug is invented. Then all kinds of unfounded psuedo research is forced upon us through the media, until the general public perceives there is a new epidemic. Drug War funding get revamped until the cycle repeats its self.

    After the U.S. Liberty incident I do not trust any Government reports or intelligence from that area of operations. And I question what the true intent of our activities. Is it possible that our Government offer a ship and crew up for sacrifice? I don't know. But I can assure you that what intelligence that we receive has been well shaped and molded to fit an ulterior motive.
  • Center Left
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    I heard that yesterday at the Bush library ceremony/event..... the word Iraq was not even mentioned. Not once. Crazy.
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    I'm not defending Bush; but what possible good would it do to mention it. I'm 50% sure Bush knew the true status and did not care. This was a gathering of the Politicians. Remember what politicians are like, they will cut each other apart one day and give them a hug the next and a big hand shake the next. It's all part of being an honest, sincere politician showing their high morals, ethics with a display of humility which allows them to put their difference aside to pay tribute to a great American. A man that has made it his lifes work to make both America and the World a better place to live.
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    jperry,
    I get the feeling that you are trying to argue with me. I certainly don't want to argue.
    Your last post called Bush an American who tried to make the world a better place........ Did you really say that ? Are you a Texan ? I can't imagine another reason for such positive words for a president that had the country invaded then attacked an unrelated country. For - WMD which I bet he knew didn't exist in the first place.

    The reason to mention it......... It's what is bound to be the center piece of his legacy. The library ceramony was about the history / legacy of this president.
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    Oxymoron definition; "It's all part of being an honest, sincere {***politician***} showing their high morals, ethics with a display of humility which allows them to put their difference aside to pay tribute to a great American". All words in BOLD have been tarnished and no longer will they be words of esteem, now that they were in so close proximity to POLITICIAN.
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    Tony, sorry you have that feeling. Read it again, especially the last line. I'll put a note on a post next time. The comments I made could be called Bush Bashing from us but he probly thinks most see him that way.
    I don't think that anyone except his business partners have a good opinion of him. Come to think of it has anyone seen a picture of him where he is standing behind someone?
    When it comes to concernes about middle class America it is my feeling that Joe Biden is the best politician we have.
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    Journalism Formation of Synthetic Epidemic and Panics 101
    Professor; multiple Politicians

    1. Symbols are larger than reality, usually emotional, "idea-conveyances;" they can be words, designs, places, ideas, music, etc. They can symbolize tradition, nationalism, power, religion, sex or any emotion or emotional concept. The fundamental principle of persuasion is to rub the emotional content of one thing onto another. Thus, a beautiful woman can be used on TV to promote sexual promiscuity the killing of police, or the nutritious benefits of Snickers.

    2. Hyperbole is exaggeration or "hype." Glittering generalities is a common subset of hype that utilizes impressive language, vague and meaningless, and leaves the target impressed emotionally and, therefore, more susceptible to the next pitch. For example, “The greatest automobile advance of the century....”

    3. Fear or Defensive Nationalism uses fear, usually of the enemy, although it can be of sickness or any threat. For example, calling political statements “McCarthyism” or "communism" brings up fear of demagogues and dictatorship. Scapegoating is a powerful subset of defensive nationalism that blames all problems upon one person, group, race, religion, etc.

    4. Humor is a powerful emotion. If people laugh, one can persuade them.

    5. Lie (big)- Most people want to believe the truth. Lies work, on cereal boxes and, especially, on television “news.” According to Hitler, people are more suspicious of a small lie than a large one. “Nutrigrain Cereal has no added sugar.” (Read the fine print; In the words of ____, it depends upon your definition of . . .)

    6. Maybe (a combination of hype and lie) Outrageous claims are fine, if preceded by "maybe, might, or could." Listen carefully to the infomercials . . . .

    7. Testimonial uses famous people or respected institutions or idea to sell a product. It can be a person, idea or product. They need have nothing in common, and no logic need be used, since Americans have become conditioned to accept this pattern as fact
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    8. Repetition drives the message home many times (in different ways or the same, but repeat it). It is (in the words of Goebbels) effective even when the target thinks that it is unpleasant. Remember Chevy trucks are “like a Rock.”

    9. Plain folks promotes oneself or one's product as being of humble origins, common, one of the guys/girls/people/Americans, etc. This device is very popular with advertisers and politicians. The unfortunate side effect of plain folks is that it reinforces anti-intellectualism (a common TV
    theme), implying that “common” is necessarily good.

    10. Strength (also known as Führerprinzip or the "leadership principle") that Adolf was so fond of describing. Be firm, bold, strong; have the dramatic, confident image of a leader. Believe it or not, this is frequently combined with plain folks. America has built a myth about the value of rugged indi

    11. Name calling is frequent. It can be direct or delicately indirect. Audiences love it. Our violent, aggressive, sexual media teaches us from an early age to love to hear dirt. Just tune in to Geraldo or Jerry Springer. Name calling is frequently combined with hype, truth, lies, etc. Remember, all is fair in love, war, political campaigns and advertising (and suing for libel is next to impossible.)

    12.Flattery is telling/implying that your targets are something that makes them feel good or, often, what they want to be .And, I am sure that you are all intelligent enough to understand this one.

    13.Bribery gives (or seems to give) something desirable for support or purchase. Everyone wants something for nothing.

    14. Diversion seems to tackle a problem or issue, but, then, throws in an emotional non-sequitur or distraction. A subdivision is straw man which sets up an illogical (or diminished) concept as though it is what your opposition represents or supports and, then, attacks it.

    15. Denial allows you to avoid being attached to something unpopular. It can be direct or indirect. My favorite example of indirect denial was Gov. Dukakis saying, “Now if you think I would take a page out of George Bush’s Willie Horton book and bring up the example of a furloughed federal prisoner who brutally raped a mother of five children, you’re wrong. I would not do that.”

    16. Card stacking is selecting facts (usually out-of-context) so that they give a false and/or misleading impression–telling only part of the story. Read the critic’s quotations in any movie ad.

    17. Band wagon insists that "everyone is doing it,." It plays upon the universal loneliness of man. In America with our sports addiction, it is often accompanied by the concept of winning. “Join the winning team.”

    18. Simple solutions reduce complexities,which are to be avoided (except when selling to intellectuals). If possible, attach many problems to one solution.

    19. Scientific evidence uses the paraphernalia of science (charts, uniforms, vocabulary, etc.) for "proof” that gives a misleading impression.

    20. Group Dynamics uses group behavior, replacing that "I" weakness with "we" strength. Achievinga powerful “dynamic” in a target usually involves using a sequence of many other devices as well.

    21. Ask Rhetorical questions. Get the target "agreeing,” saying “yes;” then give them the sales pitch.

    22.Nostalgia takes advantage of the fact that people forget the bad aspects of the past. Referring togood memories causes people to think a product is good. Remember, emotions rub off from one idea onto others.

    23. Timing can be as simple as planning your sell for a time when you know your target will be tired. However, in sophisticated propaganda it is the organization of the above techniques and your factual material in an effective pattern or strategy that makes people do what they would not ordinarily do.

    This is a course in how to promote "psuedo Wars" based upon ulterior motives.