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Immigration reform up the creek?

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Just on the news the South Caroline Republican Senator called for postponement of the immigration revamp, because of the Boston happening. My feeling is that the only purpose of this guy is to make sure Obama does not score on anything in his second term. In other words this Boston thing has helped the Repubs somehow.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    I just don't know what the priorities are on this one. Let's focus on the fact that illegal immigration has given us a low cost work force. In Texas I'm told it's crazy to cut your own grass because you can have it done for a very low amount of money. Housekeepers, Nannies, Cleaning people. Those are all afforded by the rich because it costs so little. They say that the fruits and vegetables that we all buy are affordable because of the low cost labor picking those crops. Not to mention the lesser costs for the guy running the farm. There are probably sweat shops putting out goods as well - making someone else rich. And some are suggesting sending them back. At least a large number - for a while.
    This one will effect so many people. I can only imagine the negotiations that will take place before this one is settled.

    Dutch, It's good to see you starting a new topic.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    TJ Wrote: I just don't know what the priorities are on this one. Let's focus on the fact that illeagle imigration has given us a low cost work force. In Texas I'm told it's crazy to cut your own grass because you can have it done for a very low amount of money. Housekeepers, Nannies, Cleaning people. Those are all afforded by the rich because it costs so little. They say that the fruits and vegetables that we all buy are affordable because of the low cost labor picking those crops. Not to mention the lesser costs for the guy running the farm. There are probably sweat shops putting out goods as well - making someone else rich. And some are suggesting sending them back. At least a large number - for a while.
    This one will effect so many people. I can only imagine the negotiations that will take place before this one is settled.

    Dutch, It's good to see you starting a new topic.
    Hey thanks; with all the Boston news, I was kind of waiting onthe outcome, so laid low on that one.

    Anyway what you said is absolutely true; here in FL all the lawns etc. are indeed done by imports (sorry to say I'm also an import, so I do my own lawn) cheapy Dutchman. Anyway our great government thinks they can make some money (who's backpocket?) by letting them pay for the whole process and back taxes etc. I wonder how that is going to work; at the time I got legalized it was done based on my specific knowledge in aviation, so that was very easy. But anyway if this is shoved forwards, other things may pop up and probably this bill will again gather dust.
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    The Republicans crack me up. Isolationists and free traders. MPD seems to be required in politics for many. MPD=Multiple Personality Disorder.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    Immigration: Pros and Cons
    How do we begin to handle the problem of illegal immigrants in our nation? Where do they come from and how they got here? Illegal immigrants have come from all corners of the world and they arrived here both legally and illegally. Some came across our borders illegally seeking employment to support their families in their native land. They have learned to live with wages well below the poverty level and sent money to their families allowing them to live a better life, even though the standard if far below what we consider acceptable. They were quite often assisted by those in the agricultural and construction industries and many arrived as domestic workers.
    When living in the Southwest I had been asked on several occasions if I would like to hire a Mexican to do everything from clean our home, cook our meals and care for our children. The price; a place to live, food and a few dollars a month; which they would send to their families in Mexico. It was obvious it was Friday afternoon, the school buses would be heading south bringing illegals to the boarder after they had spent the week as labors at construction sites. We had an illegal workforce which provided what we wanted, inexpensive wages.
    If they complained, it was only among themselves. We did not have a problem with Illegals as we needed them to provide a source of cheap labor. The economic crunch, the collapse of the construction industry changed things. These people which had spent years or better, decades working for us became a problem. The people that had hired them no longer had use for them making their presence a problem.
    Not all illegal immigrants provided us with a work force; but with a criminal element. These are the illegals that really present a problem and are receiving more protection from the drug traders and gangs. Those who simply want a better life for their families are the one who suffer most.
    Students from all over the world enter our schools with the proper documentation but leave school either as a dropout or after graduation remain here rather than return to their native countries and families. A very small percentage turn out to be those who would do harm to our Nation or our people. When those few do they make the News and the entire group given the blame.
    We are more worried about the fact that these people may cost us a few dollars than we are about the fact that they aren’t asking for that much. Should we return them to their native land? Their children born here are legal. Should we break up a family? Pros and cons do exist for this issue and we can make a decision that is proper or we can make on based on financial issues.
    Doing the Right Thing may not be the easiest Thing to do; but it remains The Right Thing to do.
    I have a problem with written communication and apologies; try to read between the lines to see what I mean.
  • Center Left Democrat
    Democrat
    Flagstaff, AZ
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    I'm not optimistic about that an immigration reform bill, even though it makes eminent sense, is going to get passed. A recent Gallup poll showed that the majority of Americans, regardless of political party, favored a variety of specific measures designed to address immigration issues:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/160307/americans-widely-support-immigration-reform-proposals.aspx

    It wasn't too long ago that stronger gun controls (favored by 90% of all Americans, including 74% of NRA members), got put to a vote - and got defeated.

    The problem, as always, is the Tea Party, and other conservative Republicans.

    E.J. Montini's column in this morning's Arizona Republic, summed up the problem in his "three amigos" column:


    http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/ejmontini/2013/05/07/arizonas-three-anti-reform-amigos/
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    The guy's pretty good. The best plans our government makes are usually doomed because they attach a dozen or items with nothing to do with the initial bill. Then before the vote they start making changes because either the House or Senate isn't happy with it. If "God" presented a Bill to Congress that the Democrats supported the Tea Party would find fault with it.
    Off the subject: The actions of the Tea Party are anti-Democracy. The Constitution has defined this Nation as a Democracy. Therefor the actions of the Tea Party is performing against the Constitution. Cane we get the Un-American Committee involved in their actions?
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    One needs to look at why illegal immigration went through the roof. In the sixties they were migrant farm workers. Then many businesses went to through and the feds did naught. Thus many, and not just Mexico, snuck in. We attack the illegals who come here to work and wink at the employers.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Here in Pa. today it was announced that the Pa. Turnpike Commission,a State Agency,was seeking loans in the amount of $200 Million dollars for the repair and maintence of the roads and other things for the turnpike from China, with the promise of Green cards for the investors and their families and at a reduced interest of 2%,which is almost half of what is offered to Americian investors, according to the press release they can do this type of transaction under the EB-5 financial plan, this the type of wheeling and dealing with immigration is what drives reformers nuts and lends support to those who are opposed to any type of reforms.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Sounds like the Pa. Turnpike Commission is selling out America and Americans and they are just following the lead of the federal government.

    Money wins again, and everything else is secondary.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    The government has the choice to wage War for fun and profit or to assure a minimal living standard. They have made their choice. We will go to War and the Military Complex will tell us what we need but at a good price. The contracts for major purchases are Cost Plus. Which puts a limit on the percent profit the company can make. Materials are purchased from vendors and the price of the product or material is marked up to 125% as part of doing business for most companies. The price the marked up price and the profit id calculated from the marked up price. So the price charged to the government for a $100.00 item is $125.00 plus the 7% profit brings the bill to $133.75 The more money these Prime Contractors spend on Lobbying the more they can make as their Lobby costs are a business expense and with a little creative booking they make their 7% profit on that also. The government is paying business to buy our politicians. I hope all of you feel better knowing that you are helping to pay for the campaigns of the Tea Party.

    On immigration: You will see an immigration Bill passed this year and the GOP and Tea Party will take all the credit for a Bill that will do very little other than helping a paper company increase sales. If the GOP wants to have their candidate elected iy will require the backing of X% of minorities. I do not know the number; but it is less than 10%. They have even stated that they will be going after the minorities. They may not like them or want them in THEIR country. They will romance them and make them feel welcome. I believe that makes them a part of the worlds oldest profession.