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  • Independent
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    I was reading this document; Statement of the Government of the United States of America World Federation Against Drugs 3rd World Forum May 21, 2012 “Principles of Modern Drug Policy” and came upon this paragraph. The sentence in bold caught my attention. I.m well aware of the efficiency of our Government to twist facts to match ideal progress toward their self serving goals. But this sentence stood out like an intentional lie aimed to misguide other countries. I'm asking does anyone know how the Government may have calculated the totals for each to come up with what I believe to be a preposterous statement/lie. There is a wealth of knowledge among the the posters to this site and I hope someone can point me in the right direction. Or tell me that I'm crazy to ever think that our Government might tell a lie.


    That is why last month we released a National Drug Control Strategy that pursues a “third way” for our Nation to approach drug control. This approach emphasizes prevention and treatment, while employing the criminal justice system to divert non-violent drug offenders into treatment instead early before drug use ever becomes a criminal justice issue.of incarceration. Already, over the past three years, we have spent more on drug prevention and treatment than we have on U.S. drug law enforcement and incarceration. With the passage of our national health reform act, we will also be requiring our health care industry to treat substance use disorders the same way they would any other chronic disease, providing a revolutionary boost to our work to intervene.
  • Democrat
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    I find the statement which was highlighted to be just bit disabelivable, just my opinon of course, but if you spend more on prevention and treatment then the actual crime ,whats the point. As a former law enforcement officer,(retired) and seeing the havoc that drugs has done to our Society and some one comes out with a statement like that makes me wonder just how important the powers that be are thinking about solving the drug problem in this country or are they more concerned about the money pit the various drug prevention programs have become, and profitable ,I might add.
  • Independent
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    This is what I have discovered, National Drug Control Budget FY 2014 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ondcp/policy-and-research/fy_2014_drug_control_budget_highlights_3.pdf#page=12&zoom=auto,0,767) Is not in agreement with the statement, " Already, over the past three years, we have spent more on drug prevention and treatment than we have on U.S. drug law enforcement and incarceration". The information on page 12, table 1, FY2012 shows 37.5% spent on treatment and prevention, 54% sent on domestic law enforcement and interdiction, and 7.5% spent on international enforcement.

    My heart is broken and I'll never again be able to depend upon truthfulness in Government. It seems that they continue to base their "War on Drugs" with sensational media hyerbole and lies. This has not been an effective strategy for the last 50 years, it's continued use is a waste and proof of the Government insanity. Why does the Government find it so hard change to a strategy of laws based upon science and truthfulness in reporting? It's a huge double standard considering if we report false income to them, we face criminal sanctions including fines and incarceration.
  • Other Party
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    Our government would never lie to us, but they may tell several different versions of the truth before they'd lie. They've got plenty of accountants who can move money numbers from catagory to catagory until it pleases them. As usual they will tell us what they want us to hear, and what will make them look best. For all these decades they have been fear mongering to justify their bloated and constantly growing budget. They are actually winning the "war on drugs", sure they are and I've got a bridge to sell you.
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    Yesterday was 4-20 ha ha ha ha
  • Independent
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    Boone: "My heart is broken and I'll never again be able to depend upon truthfulness in Government."

    Why did the government not being honest break your heart? It never was honest. From a political view politics and other issues have been based on lies.

    1. The Pilgrims came to the New World to be allowed religious freedom. If you look into it they had religious freedom in Holland. It appears that they wanted more than Religious Freedom, they wanted to be in charge.

    2. The Tea Party was required to brain wash the people. The price of tea was being reduced by the English, the tea smugglers in New England needed to keep that information from the people. Their was also Molasses smugglers doing a big business out of Salem. If you stop and think, this was the criminal element of that time. The best recorded estimate I've seen for support for the war with England was 25%.

    3. I like to compare the Revolution to the Alamo. We were not fighting a great British Army, we were fighting a small group as most of the British Army was fighting in Europe. The Army sent here from England was made up of troops new to fighting and were not trained much better than the farmers in this country. The comparison to the Alamo. SAanta Anna's Army was large; but it was scattered over a large area, again a small percentage. The major battle that decided the war was the Texans waiting until the Mexicians went to church services, one sunday morning, and attact them then.

    4. Civil war: The South was selling cotton to England at a high price rather then the North. The mills in the North needed wanted the cotton to keep their Mills operating. Southern Ports were blockaded to keep ships from bringing the cotton to England. Slaves were down on the list of reasons for the war.

    Shall we continue up to today?
  • Democrat
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    The history of the United State's war on drugs has many documented examples of where official clandistan operations had involved providing drugs to selected portions of the society for an agenda based on study and a maneuver in political stands. The companies that are born from the war on drugs benefit greatly on societies use of drugs. Look at prison industries, enforcement agencies, and those in law enforcement and judicial positions that receive back pocket payments for bringing in drug offenses. It's big business that provides 'JOBS". The unfornunate that recieves the punishment often get a lifetime benefit of low paying jobs, more drugs, more prison time, more crime, crippling illness and lastly death ends the suffering. It's big business that enslaves our population and where "We the People", are getting smarter to this industy's agenda and in the very near future will end it with legalization of those illegal drugs. The best offense to the drug culture I have always advocated is education, family values, and choosing life over any compelling desire to smoke something funny, pop some pills, and inject some unknown liquid into your veins. We throw away our children, which get caught in the drug use web and than get hauled into the law enforcement clutches that use them as lab rats in their creative industries that are the biggest government lie on their successes to the war on drugs.

    In Vietnam, serviceman commonly smoked weed and opium to escape the war. Some soldiers graduated to injecting raw heiron and worst anything even battery acid, of all things. Many died because of their abusive ambitions, but many were saved. The first thing that the war on drugs championed was put them in jail, process them through the courts and place on a table for the highest bidder in the war on drug industry groups. There's money in that drug crazed individual and many law enforcement and judicial people take advantage of these labeled criminals for receiving monetary paybacks. Locally here in Kansas City several years ago, a judge and others in law enforcement were prosecuted for misconduct for this very thing I am talking about. They were receiving paybacks for prosecuting drug offenses from a school that would teach them drugs were wrong. The school was paid by the fines and criminal taking the course. The private school would pay the law enforcement and judges for sending them in direction of the school as mandatory and part of their probation. Yes there is lots of opportunity for drug business taking advantageof the public. I wonder how many of these acts of greedy public officials have done this to petty drug possession. Think about the legallization of marijuana, it makes sense, but it does nothing for the war on drugs. We need education not the huge amount of funding of those enforcement offices and agencies, which are failing.

    Personally, I could care less of the legalization of marijuana. I'm over those immature days. I value life too much to attempt escaping with some mind/body mood alterring drug. I try to eliminate all those things my doctor and the medical world indicate are bad for you. There are so many medical studies that it gets very complicated and confusing. However, alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, fatty foods, sugar, salt, illegal drugs, unprotected sex, industrialized toxic products, and many others, I do realize that I should be careful of digesting any of these things. I don't believe for a moment that all this careful watch on things that I come in contact with or digest makes life boring. Have you ever watched a baby smile, walked through the woods or forest, smell the mowed lawn, visit a world treasure or observe an animal's love for another, catch a big fish, yes, life is amazing.

    Bottom-line, our governments do have evil designs on law enforcement for a war on drugs and at the same time a creative approach to provide jobs that prey on unexpected persons caught up in the drug cultures.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    jperry Wrote: Boone: "My heart is broken and I'll never again be able to depend upon truthfulness in Government."

    Why did the government not being honest break your heart? It never was honest. From a political view politics and other issues have been based on lies.

    1. The Pilgrims came to the New World to be allowed religious freedom. If you look into it they had religious freedom in Holland. It appears that they wanted more than Religious Freedom, they wanted to be in charge.

    2. The Tea Party was required to brain wash the people. The price of tea was being reduced by the English, the tea smugglers in New England needed to keep that information from the people. Their was also Molasses smugglers doing a big business out of Salem. If you stop and think, this was the criminal element of that time. The best recorded estimate I've seen for support for the war with England was 25%.

    3. I like to compare the Revolution to the Alamo. We were not fighting a great British Army, we were fighting a small group as most of the British Army was fighting in Europe. The Army sent here from England was made up of troops new to fighting and were not trained much better than the farmers in this country. The comparison to the Alamo. SAanta Anna's Army was large; but it was scattered over a large area, again a small percentage. The major battle that decided the war was the Texans waiting until the Mexicians went to church services, one sunday morning, and attact them then.

    4. Civil war: The South was selling cotton to England at a high price rather then the North. The mills in the North needed wanted the cotton to keep their Mills operating. Southern Ports were blockaded to keep ships from bringing the cotton to England. Slaves were down on the list of reasons for the war.

    Shall we continue up to today?
    And I thought I was intelligent in historical matters.

    1. I have always been taught the Pilgrims were escaping religious persecution. Never questioned truth of the matter.

    2.I knew there was a lot of rhetoric, and misinformation being spread. I thought it was an imposed tax upon tea and molasses that upset a few?

    3. I knew the British Army ans especially their Navy had too many conflicts on too many fronts. I was aware that Santa Anna's army was spread out. But an offensive attack on Sunday? Are we talking about the Alamo, or another battle during the war?

    4. I was aware of this. But oh the wrath brought upon one to state such openly today.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: The history of the United State's war on drugs has many documented examples of where official clandistan operations had involved providing drugs to selected portions of the society for an agenda based on study and a maneuver in political stands. The companies that are born from the war on drugs benefit greatly on societies use of drugs. Look at prison industries, enforcement agencies, and those in law enforcement and judicial positions that receive back pocket payments for bringing in drug offenses. It's big business that provides 'JOBS". The unfornunate that recieves the punishment often get a lifetime benefit of low paying jobs, more drugs, more prison time, more crime, crippling illness and lastly death ends the suffering. It's big business that enslaves our population and where "We the People", are getting smarter to this industy's agenda and in the very near future will end it with legalization of those illegal drugs. The best offense to the drug culture I have always advocated is education, family values, and choosing life over any compelling desire to smoke something funny, pop some pills, and inject some unknown liquid into your veins. We throw away our children, which get caught in the drug use web and than get hauled into the law enforcement clutches that use them as lab rats in their creative industries that are the biggest government lie on their successes to the war on drugs.

    In Vietnam, serviceman commonly smoked weed and opium to escape the war. Some soldiers graduated to injecting raw heiron and worst anything even battery acid, of all things. Many died because of their abusive ambitions, but many were saved. The first thing that the war on drugs championed was put them in jail, process them through the courts and place on a table for the highest bidder in the war on drug industry groups. There's money in that drug crazed individual and many law enforcement and judicial people take advantage of these labeled criminals for receiving monetary paybacks. Locally here in Kansas City several years ago, a judge and others in law enforcement were prosecuted for misconduct for this very thing I am talking about. They were receiving paybacks for prosecuting drug offenses from a school that would teach them drugs were wrong. The school was paid by the fines and criminal taking the course. The private school would pay the law enforcement and judges for sending them in direction of the school as mandatory and part of their probation. Yes there is lots of opportunity for drug business taking advantageof the public. I wonder how many of these acts of greedy public officials have done this to petty drug possession. Think about the legallization of marijuana, it makes sense, but it does nothing for the war on drugs. We need education not the huge amount of funding of those enforcement offices and agencies, which are failing.

    Personally, I could care less of the legalization of marijuana. I'm over those immature days. I value life too much to attempt escaping with some mind/body mood alterring drug. I try to eliminate all those things my doctor and the medical world indicate are bad for you. There are so many medical studies that it gets very complicated and confusing. However, alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, fatty foods, sugar, salt, illegal drugs, unprotected sex, industrialized toxic products, and many others, I do realize that I should be careful of digesting any of these things. I don't believe for a moment that all this careful watch on things that I come in contact with or digest makes life boring. Have you ever watched a baby smile, walked through the woods or forest, smell the mowed lawn, visit a world treasure or observe an animal's love for another, catch a big fish, yes, life is amazing.

    Bottom-line, our governments do have evil designs on law enforcement for a war on drugs and at the same time a creative approach to provide jobs that prey on unexpected persons caught up in the drug cultures.
    I fully agree with your argument/theory. How long will it take before the majority to learn that % of society are going to consume mind altering substances, whether anyone else likes it or not? This is a fact proven by the War on Drugs or it could be called the Moral Wars. With all the restrictions and harsh sentence, the money spent, the infringement upon Civil Liberties, and cost to society, what's the progress can we show? Drug usage rates remains effectively unchanged. The area that has improved is the price and purity, street level prices are lower and the purity is up. Cocaine did have a change in price and purity in 2008, this was cause by greater demand in a new market that dropped over all supplies. I'm not sure if it rebounded.
    The Prison system is nothing more than the fleecing of Americans. Just how effective is the war on drugs and the sentences given, if they are unable to keep prisons drug free?
    The fleecing of Americans is not limited to for profit prisons. In my state it has been proven that the Law Enforcement places greater weight upon asset forfeiture than eliminating drugs. "Policing for Profit" was a special by a local TV station out of Nashville. The Drug Task Force is fully funded by these forfeited assets. The two districts where I live the 23th and 24th are criminals their self. Recent audit showed over $55,000 in cash missing from the 24th. Steve Lee the Director/leader of the 24th was just convicted of various charges, stemming from an investigation into lost cash, personal use of seized property, missing drugs and more.
    Never has it been possible to treat/cure an illness with judicial ramifications, Mr. Nixon's failed continued attempt at this has been a colossal costly failure. Mere possession of a substance being a felony is absurd and based upon morals and not fact. Felony conviction is a life sentence. That felony will have negative effects upon the convicted for life. And is a prime contributor to the recidivism rates among convicted felons.
    A more scientifical factually based education concerning these drugs and their use and a strategy of harm reduction, would be a much wiser choice. This failed campaign of sensationalized media hyperbole for scare tactic and to create synthetic epidemics has resulted in a mistrust of the Government. And the Governments own activities related to drug importation has compounded this mistrust. It's time to end this war. It's time to help those that are addicted. It's time to stop the persucution of Joe Blow over moral beliefs.
    Those that are going to do drugs all ready do drugs and the ones that don't want to don't. All illegal drugs could be legal tomorrow and I would not do them. I'm already addicted to one of the most costly and addictive drug known, and it's subsidised by the Government, Tobacco. I can not afford another addiction. A study of Portugal and their drug laws will show the reduction is harm and cost to society. Within a few years the Latin American countries are soon to follow suit. But in the U.S. this will be slow to come if ever, not because of drugs and there issues. It will be hampered if not blocked by the all mighty dollar and greed. Those two take precedents over common sense.
  • Democrat
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    It appears that the term WAR means something altogether different than what Webster's defines it, according to Websters ,the term war is used in a variety of ways, warfare between states or nations, conflict ,but most importantly the term implies to a certain goal to be achieved by conflict, where does the the so-called war on poverty ,or drugs fit in this description,the very policies that this country is trying to impliment by declaring war on these unattainable causes is what holds back the success of that policy, the war is being fought on the ideas being formulated for prevention,as is the very enforcement of the policy and the means to do it!!
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    johnnycee Wrote: I find the statement which was highlighted to be just bit disabelivable, just my opinon of course, but if you spend more on prevention and treatment then the actual crime ,whats the point. As a former law enforcement officer,(retired) and seeing the havoc that drugs has done to our Society and some one comes out with a statement like that makes me wonder just how important the powers that be are thinking about solving the drug problem in this country or are they more concerned about the money pit the various drug prevention programs have become, and profitable ,I might add.
    Law enforcement loves the war for the spoils are many. Seized assets are a part of their budgets they just can't let go of.
  • Independent
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    Boone: the Battle Of San Jacinto How many of the Heros at the Alamo should be considered crimminals, cut throats or just good old murderers?


    I would like to see some things in the medical program changed. A limit on the number of times a person is allowed to go to rehab as a start.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    jperry Wrote: Boone: the Battle Of San Jacinto How many of the Heros at the Alamo should be considered crimminals, cut throats or just good old murderers?


    I would like to see some things in the medical program changed. A limit on the number of times a person is allowed to go to rehab as a start.
    "Allowed" is too vague. Those that are coerced by the courts or social services such as Child Protective Services, are not what you would considered "freely allowed" and have a higher rate of relapse. Court order rehab fails to recognize the main criteria for successful rehabilitation, the want and will to quit.
    Education is the key to lowering illegal drug use and harm reduction, The strategy of sensationalized media hype and scare tactics to produce manufactured epidemics, leads to an uneducated society and lost peoples trust of the Government. But that issue is a whole other thread and off the topic of this one.

    Oh San Jacinto! What better hero's to have when your goal is theft.
    Hey now one of my hero's was/is a criminal. D B Cooper. Not for his theft or highjacking, but for dead or alive he has out foxed his pursuers and left them with a black eye.
  • Democrat
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    Boone Wrote:
    jperry Wrote: Boone: "My heart is broken and I'll never again be able to depend upon truthfulness in Government."

    Why did the government not being honest break your heart? It never was honest. From a political view politics and other issues have been based on lies.

    1. The Pilgrims came to the New World to be allowed religious freedom. If you look into it they had religious freedom in Holland. It appears that they wanted more than Religious Freedom, they wanted to be in charge.

    2. The Tea Party was required to brain wash the people. The price of tea was being reduced by the English, the tea smugglers in New England needed to keep that information from the people. Their was also Molasses smugglers doing a big business out of Salem. If you stop and think, this was the criminal element of that time. The best recorded estimate I've seen for support for the war with England was 25%.

    3. I like to compare the Revolution to the Alamo. We were not fighting a great British Army, we were fighting a small group as most of the British Army was fighting in Europe. The Army sent here from England was made up of troops new to fighting and were not trained much better than the farmers in this country. The comparison to the Alamo. SAanta Anna's Army was large; but it was scattered over a large area, again a small percentage. The major battle that decided the war was the Texans waiting until the Mexicians went to church services, one sunday morning, and attact them then.

    4. Civil war: The South was selling cotton to England at a high price rather then the North. The mills in the North needed wanted the cotton to keep their Mills operating. Southern Ports were blockaded to keep ships from bringing the cotton to England. Slaves were down on the list of reasons for the war.

    Shall we continue up to today?
    And I thought I was intelligent in historical matters.

    1. I have always been taught the Pilgrims were escaping religious persecution. Never questioned truth of the matter.

    2.I knew there was a lot of rhetoric, and misinformation being spread. I thought it was an imposed tax upon tea and molasses that upset a few?

    3. I knew the British Army ans especially their Navy had too many conflicts on too many fronts. I was aware that Santa Anna's army was spread out. But an offensive attack on Sunday? Are we talking about the Alamo, or another battle during the war?

    4. I was aware of this. But oh the wrath brought upon one to state such openly today.
    On the issue of slaves, the initiation of war by the north was economic, the reason for succession however was a large part because of slavery, which was constitutionally protected by the CSA's constitution.
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    Only southereners think of the civil war as being started by the north. The south wanted the west to be cotton country complete with the slaves. The north said NO!. The election of Lincoln pushed the south to war.