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West Texas Fertilizer plant explosion

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    jamesn Wrote: tony is correct, plus maybe the plant was there first and the neighborhood grew up around it.

    In the oil pipeline spill in Arkansas, the pipeline was there long before the houses were built. Should they have been allowed to build there, THAT is the question.
    Again on the news this morning that large numbers of Air Traffic Control personel are being cut because of sequestration. As already said by some of you "safety" in all kind of delicate industries is lacking in this country; inspections can be done but a lot of agencies lack the experience to do so.
    I was involved in an issue at a certain airline who bought via a scammer uncertified parts for planes ( which would have crashed any plane for sure) I was the main expert since none of the officials had the expertise. This happens more than you think in all kinds of dangerous industries.

    The thing what annoys me the most is cutting back on essential safety related things like airtraffic control or chemical plants etc. is playing with fire. Who ever in this government decided this instead of cutting back on defense waste; should have their brains examined.
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    A few years ago they invented something called automobile. This enabled people to ride a short distance to work. They no longer had to live in close proximity to the place. The town I live in had numerous factories jammed within the city limits because they were built in the day when people had to walk to work. After WW11 factories began to be built in the boonies because workers then had the ability to ride to their jobs or join car pools. I don't care how much people "like" to live near their jobs. After the experience of Oklahoma City it would nice to think that some of those folks in Texas would have begun to question the wisdom of having a gigantic ticking time bomb smack in the middle of their community.
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    The Occupational Safety & Health Adminstration is mandated to enforce federal safety and health regulations in the work place through inspections and noncompliance citations and fines. Starting in the '80s Congress has defunded OSHA to the point that they no longer have the means to do the job. Looking at the number of fertilizer plants in Texas and the number of OSHA inspectors available West Fertilizer would expect to have an OSHA inspection every 126 years. They were last inspected in 1985.
    huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/texas-fertilizer-plant-ha_n_3113117.html

    As well as concerns for the safety and health of the people who worked in the plant every day, there are security concerns. As well as anhydrous ammonia the plant routinely handled large amounts of ammonia nitrate (the bomber's delight) in 2012 at least. The Dept of Homeland Security requires all facilities holding more than 400 lb of ammonia nitrate to file a report with them. It's been reported that they did not file a report with DHS, consequently DHS didn't even know the plant existed. They had 270 tons on site in 2012, according to an EPA report collected by a Texas agency.
    news.yahoo.com/texas-fertilizer-company-didnt-heed-disclosure-rules-blast-171654800--finance.html

    There is more if you care to google it. But it doesn't sound to me like an inevitable accident, it sounds like a preventable accident. Fourteen people are dead: 10 first responders, 1 plant worker and 3 more not specified, as well as hundreds of people injured and a lot of property damage.

    We need to tighten up safety regs enforcement, starting with fully funding OSHA so that they can do their jobs as they did in the '70s.

    Frank
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    First time I've read this post. I can tell you that a 35' x 200' barge loaded to 9' draft contains about 1500 ton of AN. If water levels are right many are loaded to 11' draft and contain close to 2000 ton. A 15 barge tow is well over 1000 semi-truck loads. Just thought I would throw that info out there to scare you the next time you cross a river and see a towboat pushing barges. I work in the river transportation industry.
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    Boone Wrote: First time I've read this post. I can tell you that a 35' x 200' barge loaded to 9' draft contains about 1500 ton of AN. If water levels are right many are loaded to 11' draft and contain close to 2000 ton. A 15 barge tow is well over 1000 semi-truck loads. Just thought I would throw that info out there to scare you the next time you cross a river and see a towboat pushing barges. I work in the river transportation industry.
    Just on the news a barge exploded (do not know the details) a huge fire in Maryland in a mountain of mulch. So we do not need terrorists we do it to ourselves. Ha, Ha.
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    I'm pretty sure the post that was referred to earlier pertaining to a barge exploding and destroying a whole town, was the explosion in Galveston Tx. I can't recall the numbers but this was a huge event, I believe one of the deadliest industrial accidents in the U.S. It's not un common for mulch barges to spontaneuosly combust.
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    Boone Wrote: I'm pretty sure the post that was referred to earlier pertaining to a barge exploding and destroying a whole town, was the explosion in Galveston Tx. I can't recall the numbers but this was a huge event, I believe one of the deadliest industrial accidents in the U.S. It's not un common for mulch barges to spontaneuosly combust.
    Boone,
    There's a video of the explosion of the barge (with details) on the previous page = page 1
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    Rick Perry is POed at the Sacramento Bee for printing a cartoon strip showing Perry touting how Texas has weak regulations and the last frame has a plant exploding behind him. Perry says the cartoon makes fun of the dead when in fact it rubs his nose in the deaths. Republicans can't get a joke even when they are the butt of it.
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    TJ Wrote:
    Boone Wrote: I'm pretty sure the post that was referred to earlier pertaining to a barge exploding and destroying a whole town, was the explosion in Galveston Tx. I can't recall the numbers but this was a huge event, I believe one of the deadliest industrial accidents in the U.S. It's not un common for mulch barges to spontaneuosly combust.
    Boone,
    There's a video of the explosion of the barge (with details) on the previous page = page 1
    I just watched it. Ihave seen iy many times before during our training classes. I've had to explain to many of our employees the difference between detonation and ignition. AN that's on fire can be extinguished, if temps do no reach the critical point. Once the temp reaches the critical point detonation is imminent. Detonation is a shock that results in the rapid oxidation of AN. If an is in the presents of iron, aluminum, fuel oil, and others, the detonation velocity can reach 8000 m/s, that's almost 5 miles per second.