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West Texas Fertilizer plant explosion

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  • Center Left
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    As many as 35 people were killed in a fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas. Many of them first responders. Feel free to discuss the event here.

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    Zach F Wrote: As many as 35 people were killed in a fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas. Many of them first responders. Feel free to discuss the event here.

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    As you know Timothy McVeigh used this for a bomb in Oklahoma; so I guess I put some on my lawn or may it works also in a pressure cooker.
    Yeah; I guess in end of April, the stars are likely on the wrong place, but anyway this is a big country so accidents are bound to happen. I wonder about nuclear plants; they are getting also older. Since sequestration affects also air traffic control, where is that going? I pray someone comes to their senses and cuts military spending instead of these delicate safety related things. So are we asking for these things ourselves, I wonder.
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    Dutch Wrote:As you know Timothy McVeigh used this for a bomb in Oklahoma; so I guess I put some on my lawn or may it works also in a pressure cooker.<br />
    This wasn't an attack it was an industrial accident.

    Dutch Wrote:Yeah; I guess in end of April, the stars are likely on the wrong place, but anyway this is a big country so accidents are bound to happen. I wonder about nuclear plants; they are getting also older.
    Nuclear power plants do not explode. Even as they get older, if proper safety measures are in place, they are one of the safest sources of energy. Chernobyl was effectively a reactor in an aluminum shed.

    Dutch Wrote:Since sequestration affects also air traffic control, where is that going? I pray someone comes to their senses and cuts military spending instead of these delicate safety related things. So are we asking for these things ourselves, I wonder.
    Not sure what you mean by this.
  • Center Left
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    This was big in the news a couple of days ago. I wondered if it would get mentioned here. There was such a focus on Boston. What really impressed me (as mentioned in news coverage) was how everybody came out to the football field to help in any way that they could. It was a great sense of community.
  • Center Left
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    Yeah, Boston is drowning out the plant explosion. It's good to hear about the community coming together. I'm so focused on Boston right now that I'm way behind my other news.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Zach F Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:As you know Timothy McVeigh used this for a bomb in Oklahoma; so I guess I put some on my lawn or may it works also in a pressure cooker.<br />
    This wasn't an attack it was an industrial accident.

    Dutch Wrote:Yeah; I guess in end of April, the stars are likely on the wrong place, but anyway this is a big country so accidents are bound to happen. I wonder about nuclear plants; they are getting also older.
    Nuclear power plants do not explode. Even as they get older, if proper safety measures are in place, they are one of the safest sources of energy. Chernobyl was effectively a reactor in an aluminum shed.

    Dutch Wrote:Since sequestration affects also air traffic control, where is that going? I pray someone comes to their senses and cuts military spending instead of these delicate safety related things. So are we asking for these things ourselves, I wonder.
    Not sure what you mean by this.
    I guess you are not thinking any farther than Pinokio; sure this is an industrial accident; what I said is just to "mention" that you should not play with that stuff; neither in this plant there must have been flaws in their safety monitoring.
    New item, Again you are missing the point; I guess you forgot the tsunami in Japan; then six mile island; etc. sure it can blow; it creates tremendous heat which creates steam which powers the generators. Overheating will cause a huge explosion if not monitored all the time.
    Third air traffic control is essential for safe flight; reducing the number of traffic controllers and closing several small airfield traffic control towers will create a more dangerous environment; this all is happening thanks to our great government who finds that military expenditure is more important than public safety. I hope you understand all these points now this.
    Fourth point which I did not mention is the condition of our infrastructure; roads,bridges, rail, etc. sequestration and cut backs will eventually also affect this.
  • Center Left
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    So you are arguing that the risks of making fertilizer outweighs the benefits it grants to crop yield?

    What about Six Mile Island? Three Mile Island released an undetectable amount of radiation during that incident. It was completely contained because even though two or three of the precautions failed, the other 20 wear more than enough to contain the accident. Your microwave exposes you to more radiation when you turn it on than Three Mile Island released. In Japan, it took an unprecedented natural disaster to cause that failure of containment.

    Yes, air traffic control is the the most stressful job in the U.S. today. And they should be paid.

    You caught me a little off guard when you started talking about 2 things that have nothing to do with the plant explosion.
  • Independent
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    Zach F Wrote: So you are arguing that the risks of making fertilizer outweighs the benefits it grants to crop yield?

    What about Six Mile Island? Three Mile Island released an undetectable amount of radiation during that incident. It was completely contained because even though two or three of the precautions failed, the other 20 wear more than enough to contain the accident. Your microwave exposes you to more radiation when you turn it on than Three Mile Island released. In Japan, it took an unprecedented natural disaster to cause that failure of containment.

    Yes, air traffic control is the the most stressful job in the U.S. today. And they should be paid.

    You caught me a little off guard when you started talking about 2 things that have nothing to do with the plant explosion.
    Wake up everything of these things has to do with safety; even gun control. Sorry to say and I have the experience, that in this country "money" also drives safety. I worked in aviation and even then I see inspection sheets are sometimes falsified, just because of cost cutting. May be you remember several crashes in the 80's which were related to that . Sorry to say right now we are getting back in the same situation if sequestration on the wrong elements is done like right now. I'm just saying this as a warning, but I'm sure, this is really asking for something to happen in"delicate" industries. It does not take much at all. "Chernoble" should say enough about lack of sound oversight. The same accounts for BP disasters or this fertilizer plant. So sorry if you do not understand this, but our modern way of life requires that we are aware of what we are "playing" with.
    Cutting corners because of making more profit sure helps to make us safer, right?. Again all these items are related to public safety; please be aware of the big picture , not just single out things as you do.
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    Texas leads in industrial booboos. The biggest being a barge of amonium nitrate that went boom and leveled a whole city.
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    GemsWoven Wrote: Texas leads in industrial booboos. The biggest being a barge of amonium nitrate that went boom and leveled a whole city.
    Worst Industrial accident of all time - in the USA
    And here's the video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TworcINhDhQ
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    That case pointed out why intelligence is so meaningfull. They thought that barge was full of grain. A chemist nearby went uh oh at the color of the flame and was then told it was grain and having no idea as to what color grain burned went "OK". One needs to know the contents of all ships in the harbor. Many lives could have been saved simply by knowing what was on board.
  • Center Left
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    Gems,
    Today...... ships have to file a cargo manifest. That is forwarded to the port authority and customs (now called Bureau of Homeland security and border control). I wonder if the previous disaster and thus lawyers helped marshal that change.
  • Democrat
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    Zack, Yes. It was an accident , but what the hell is wrong with these people operating a dangerous
    plant like this in the vicinity of homes and schools?
  • Center Left
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    Left,
    People often want to live near where they work. Especially the poor with inadequate transportation. Hindsight let's us see how terrible of a decision that was for a very large group of people. Sadly.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    tony is correct, plus maybe the plant was there first and the neighborhood grew up around it.

    In the oil pipeline spill in Arkansas, the pipeline was there long before the houses were built. Should they have been allowed to build there, THAT is the question.