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Air to ground surveillance makes sense now

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  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    When authorities that try to protect us from evil people and it's often complicated when they cannot locate the criminal that did the crime, those remote aerial cameras make sense. Why citizens place so much on evasion of privacy that they don't understand the real threat of evil that desires to run fear throughout the population. The recent Boston horror is classic where we should have had more cameras and aerial surveillance monitoring and taking pictures of all attending. This information may have had a change in what happened to something that did not. I understand two bombs were disarmed, but they missed two. The pictures and monitoring that has been accomplished is apparently helping ID a possible suspect. Face it, there are people who thirst for mayhem, terror and sickness of rebellion that they don't care who they destroy. They want blood, lost limbs and dead bodies.

    I want more cameras and automatic processing of images that could inform the authorities within a few minutes that a threat is imminent. I would rather be questioned by the police than face the horror of a bomb that was placed in my area. Our priorities are so screwed up that many need to face the horror before they realize maybe we should have voted and advocated for better protection.

    A point for further discussion is the vote a few minutes ago by the Senate. The damn Republicans have defeated background checks on Americans. I'm so disgusted with the Republicans and the NRA that I hope drones are buzzing all over there whereabouts. Our country have priorities all wrong. I intend to publish every single "Nay" to a name and their state. I know who I'm not voting for next election in 2014.

    America wake up the war against citizens and people in this country is being threatened by ignorance and greed. They are now bombing, murdering and slandering what's left of goodness in the United States of America. God Bless America and lets vote the bastards out.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    The very idea of this is terrifying and a violation of 4th Amendment rights. Crime in America is at an all time low and America has never been safer. Please don't use tragedies like this as some sort of an excuse that government should be spying on it's citizens on the off chance that someone may try something at some time or another. It is a waste of government resources, impractical and an invasion of privacy.

    Please think twice before you start saying that you are willing to give up liberty for security. It's not a good trade and you end up losing both.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Zach F Wrote: The very idea of this is terrifying and a violation of 4th Amendment rights. Crime in America is at an all time low and America has never been safer. Please don't use tragedies like this as some sort of an excuse that government should be spying on it's citizens on the off chance that someone may try something at some time or another. It is a waste of government resources, impractical and an invasion of privacy.

    Please think twice before you start saying that you are willing to give up liberty for security. It's not a good trade and you end up losing both.
    Your statement of "crime being at an all time low now" I guess you must be kidding; where do you live?. On the North Pole I presume. Here every night there is a murder or a gun fight; the State Police happens to be my neighbor; he says it never has been worse; even by young kids of 13 or 14. Then if you ever look ar American Greed on CNBC then you are missing something. Wake up this is not your mothers world anymore!!!
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    "All time low" was a poor choice of words. Lower that it has been in the last 40-50 years in the U.S.

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    Should I go on? Law enforcement is usually a bias source. They are over exposed to crime on a daily basis which can jade their perception on the issue. Crime is going down in the country and it's a trend that is continuing. Don't let the 24-hour news networks fool you either. They will sensationalize stories and focus solely on crime in order to increase ratings.

    The fact is we live in a very, very safe time. Both domestically and internationally. A smaller percentage of the human population worldwide dies violently or even prematurely than any other known time in human history. This stat includes war, disease, genocide, etc. Of course there are outliers in these stats. Like 1930-1950. But overall, you, as a human being, are safer now than ever and will more likely to live to an old age than any generation before you.

    I for one will refuse to give up anymore rights on the notion of "security."
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    ..."Air to ground surveillance"... is a growth industry. Drones are the biggest driving factor. Drones are 10 to 100 times cheaper than manned aircraft.

    Money wins again. Case closed.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    Air to ground surveillance makes sense now: Not really. We can't put cameras at traffic lights but we can have thousands flying overhead. I agree the incident in Boston was horrible. Calling for thousands of drones flying over our cities is a reaction to an incident. The same people that would like to see them flying at this time will be the same people that will switch their view if they are found to do something that could be considered suspicious.

    It might be better to define why people hate us and cure the problem. Was it just a nut? How much different is this to CO of CY?
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    ..."we can have thousands of drones flying over our cities"... Wow. I don't know where you came up with ..."thousands"... of them. There will be more drones flying over our cities, you can bet on that. It is already growing and will not be stopped. On public streets, or public parks, or highways, how will anyone argue that you couldn't be spied upon? And Boston will just mean that the movement will get stronger, and faster, but it was happening already.

    In your back yard, yes, you have an argument, but not in public.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I agree with Zach. I feel too many freedoms were given up with the still over used Patriot act. I value my freedom and liberty and I choose to hold onto that as long as possible. Will drones be coming our way ? Of course they will. Too many idiots feel they need to watch over us with their infinite wisdom. I certainly don't like it or agree with it.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    Tony I'm not saying I ..."like it or agree with it"... either, but I am just telling it like it is. In many major cities there are surveillance cameras everywhere watching all of us when we are in public. What is the difference? The drones can be directed to look over your fence into your back yard, OK there's that. But as far as on public streets, parks, sidewalks...we are already being watched.

    Big Brother? Eye in the Sky? Whatever you call it, it's coming.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    My problem is with the Watchers, who will they be, and to what extent will their viewing be allowed, this type of sureveillance is good for after the fact, so unless there is a Law Enforcement nearby,this crime will not be prevented, I for one cannot trust any Government office that will hold this type of authority to be strictly by the book, someone ,sometime ,one of these officials will want to spy on the whereabouts of his opponet or some other person,also who will be in charge of the storage/filing of these video disc, I say do not trade any of your freedoms for security, Freedom has never been free, its been paid for in blood and anguish by our citizens while in sevice to their country, so don't sell them out so you can feel safer.
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    The Watchers will be men. Thus lawsuits will result when drone photos of girls bedrooms and bathrooms pop up on youtube. And you can bet your bottom dollar that when spy satellites pass over European beaches some guy hits the zoom button. And imagine the faked shock that will come when boys will be boys become public knowledge.
  • Other Party
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    johnny and gems are both right there will be plenty of abuses. Just like there are plenty of abuses going on now. Human nature means that people will do bad things, always have and always will.

    It will be mostly men but some women will misuse their authority too.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    jamesn: “In your back yard, yes, you have an argument, but not in public.”
    In order for drones to be effective you have to have an idea of what and where you are looking for something. Several problems may exist: a “hacker” or “jamming. The winner from implementing something like drones in our cities will be the manufacturer of drones and the group in control. As far as zooming in on a girl at the beach or some ones bedroom, the image quality isn’t all that great, yet.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    jperry no argument here there will always be problems with new systems, but that won't keep the new systems from coming online. My point is that (mostly) in large cities we already have surveillance cameras, news helicopters, traffic helicopters, police helicopters, and maybe some drones, so we are already being watched from above. That's not counting satellites... Drones are coming on fast and it's mostly because they are cheaper to operate.

    Think about all the police chases mostly in L.A. and other places that we've seen broadcast live on TV. Right now those are being filmed mostly by TV News helos, but drones may take over that task too.

    We are already being watched, this is just a new, cheaper, more effecient tool.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jamesn Wrote: jperry no argument here there will always be problems with new systems, but that won't keep the new systems from coming online. My point is that (mostly) in large cities we already have surveillance cameras, news helicopters, traffic helicopters, police helicopters, and maybe some drones, so we are already being watched from above. That's not counting satellites... Drones are coming on fast and it's mostly because they are cheaper to operate.

    Think about all the police chases mostly in L.A. and other places that we've seen broadcast live on TV. Right now those are being filmed mostly by TV News helos, but drones may take over that task too.

    We are already being watched, this is just a new, cheaper, more effecient tool.
    Actually nothing new; on a lot of highways speeding is measured from small planes or helicopters; I guess in the future by drones; right now they are so small that you can park these just about on top of a cop car. Yes this will be our future; being watched all the time. I bet our laws and Constitution will likely have little effect on the daily use until maybe a challenge is thrown in front of the courts. So it depends is my speeding ticket valid if recorded by a drone? In Collier county they had camera's at stoplights; they removed them now because of infringement of privacy, so I wonder what is going to happen in any next case like this.