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The Taliban and America's Endless War

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    The United States has been at war in Afghanistan for over ten years now and its beginning to seem as if both sides are starting to become tired of the seemingly endless war. The Taliban has reportedly been expressing interest in participating in a democratically elected Afghan government and negotiating peace with both the American and Afghan governments. Publicly, the Taliban have been towing a hard line and stating that they will not negotiate for peace, but multiple sources in the Pakistani government have claimed that senior leaders in the Taliban have been meeting behind the scenes in Qatar to start a dialogue.

    The Afghanistan war, now America's longest war in her history, seems to be at a stalemate because all sides have difficultly budging from their positions. The American government is trying to get out as fast as possible, but doesn't want to leave the country without some face saving measure. The Afghanistan government refuses to acknowledge, at least publicly, that they will have to work with the Taliban if they ever want a negotiated peace. And the Taliban need to figure out if they want to participate in a democratic government or continue to wage war until they topple the Afghanistan government and obtain absolute power again.

    Time will only tell if these three factions are able to come to the bargaining and negotiate peace or if Afghanistan will return to being yet another failed state that is bogged down by war and political infighting. The saddest part about the whole situation is that the one entity that has all the cards in their hands is the same one that enabled Al Qaeda to plan and carry out the attacks on that September day in 2001. If that doesn't make your head spin, I don't know what will.
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    In view of the fact that next Wednesday is the 18th anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, why in the world did Trump invite the Taliban to come to Camp David for peace talks?

    Jake Tapper NAILED Mike Pompeo with this question:

    "“It was just a week weeks ago, I’m sure you’re aware, the Taliban put out a video reiterating their support for the 9/11 attacks, blaming the 9/11 attacks on the use and foreign policy. I guess the question would be: here’s an organization that still supports 9/11. Still believes that the United States was to blame that we brought that on ourselves. Why bring people like that to Camp David? I understand why you want to negotiate for peace but why bring people like that to Camp David?

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/cnns-tapper-grills-pompeo-for-plan-to-bring-taliban-to-camp-david-when-theyre-still-celebrating-9-11/?utm_source=push_notifications

    (After the Taliban admitted to a suicide car bomb last Thursday that killed an American soldier and 11 others in Kabul, Trump cancelled the talks).

    Negotiations have been underway since last winter, when Mr. Trump’s special envoy for Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, began regular trips to Doha, Qatar, for grueling sessions with Taliban representatives. United States and foreign officials said that the talks had reached an advanced stage and, until Saturday night, that an agreement with the Pashtun insurgent group that once harbored the Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden was close at hand.

    One Western official said a deal had been nearly at hand but appeared to have been jeopardized by showmanship. Now it has created an environment where the Taliban, as well as a skeptical region that includes Iran and Russia, will conclude that no process with the Americans can be trusted, the official said. *

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/us/politics/trump-taliban-afghanistan.html

    * (If you are starting to see a pattern here, read the comments about the Israel peace treaty, the Iran treaty, anything related to NATO, tariffs with China, the Paris Climate treaty, or the TPP).

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    Al Jazeera also had a few comments on this topic this morning:

    On September 2, the US and the Taliban concluded their ninth round of negotiations in the Qatari capital, with US envoy Zalmay Khalilzad saying that a peace agreement had been finalized "in principle".

    Since the talks began in October last year, the two sides' discussions over a potential agreement have focused on four key issues: a Taliban guarantee that it will not allow foreign armed groups and fighters to use Afghanistan as a launchpad to conduct attacks outside the country; the complete withdrawal of US and NATO forces; an intra-Afghan dialogue; and a permanent ceasefire.

    The Taliban, which was overthrown in 2001 by a US-led military coalition for sheltering al-Qaeda, the group blamed for the September 11, 2001 attacks in the US, has long demanded a complete withdrawal of foreign troops to "end the occupation" in Afghanistan.

    Currently, there are about 14,000 US troops and around 17,000 troops from 39 NATO allies and partner countries in Afghanistan in a non-combative role.

    Is US legitimising the Taliban?

    Meanwhile, the location of the secret meetings came as a surprise to many who pointed out that Camp David has long been a place reserved for summits attended by world leaders.

    "Inviting the Taliban, who many consider a terrorist group, was a politically risky move both from the optics and from a greater likelihood of failure and embarrassment to the president.

    If such a meeting were to take place, it would also mean that Trump would host the Taliban just days before the anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

    "I am frankly shocked that any presidential adviser would have recommended it. President Trump cancelled it for the reasons he stated - that is, the optics were unfavorable given the recent Taliban-claimed bombing in Kabul that killed an American soldier and many Afghans."

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/trump-cancels-taliban-talks-afghanistan-190908111911229.html

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    Our government still thinks and believes that if it pays terrorist groups money, the terrorists will accept us being in their homeland to spread democracy.

    Amerika helped the mujahideen some years ago, they helped Amerika rout out the Russians. see "operation cyclone".

    I'm not absolutely positive about this next statement, is that in the Reagan administration, e.g., his defense secretary told the mujahideen to just kill Russians after the USA donated arms and money to the Mujahideen.

    Carter began helping the Mujahideen and Reagan expanded US assistance.

    Eventually, when the 9/11 attacks occurred, all of this would end up biting us in the ass. The US has paid dearly for meddling in other countries problems. Bush 43 claimed the US would never negotiate with a terrorist organization, but it has and will continue to do so. The USA pays them money and provides governments with military support in the hopes that they won't kill us, it doesn't work. As we have found out, but the USA keeps making the same mistakes over and over.

    "The British Professor Carole Hillenbrand concluded that the Taliban have arisen from those US-Saudi-Pakistan-supported mujahideen: "The West helped the Taliban to fight the Soviet takeover of Afghanistan".[88]"

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

    thoughtco.com/the-mujahideen-of-afghani...

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Soviet_in...

    And Trump and his administration are without a clue, as usual.

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    Dock:

    Operation Cyclone turned out to be the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken. Ultimately, it was costing the United States $630 million a year. Since it was in operation from 1979 until 1992, it was in place the same time as the Iran-Contra scandal - and you are right. It bit us in the ass because Osama bin Laden was one of the guys we were supporting.

    I agree with Schmidt that Reagan was one of our worst presidents, but "Saint Ronnie" is still ranked fairly favorably by a lot of people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

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    Even FOX was critical of Trump's decision to meet with the Taliban at Camp David. In the words of Chris Wallace. "Who thought that was a good idea?"

    President Trump ultimately made the decision,” Pompeo said of the Camp David invite. “He said, ‘I want to talk to Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, I want to talk to these Taliban negotiators, I want to look them in the eye."

    Since we supposedly defeated the Taliban in 2001, why are we even talking with these idiots?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-wallace-mike-pompeo-taliban_n_5d7527dce4b07521022e4081

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    It's ridiculous to even think of negotiating with any organization that has pledged to kill Americans, we are the infidels in their eyes. They do not want a democracy where everyone in equal and has a chance. What they want is us out of their homelands, their country, but American politicians and military just don't get it. Can we blame them for wanting us the hell out? We're talking about people who trade their daughters and wives for herds of goats, where people are stoned to death for minor crimes or misdemeanors.

    youtube.com/watch?v=gkxMv4acSm8

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    That is what you get if you not limit the powers of Presidents. Also the "habit" of the US to poke their noses in everything on this world which they don't like, causes all this B.S. None of our wars since WWII we have won, thus there is not even the wee little notion that we are an arrogant bunch who absolutely don't understand anything of the world around us. Especially with Trump who selects "dictators" as his "friends" then success is assured.

    Sorry people you wanted this guy; so be happy with it. Be glad that we are right now an "real" isolated banana republic which the world laughs at. At least we have one friend left his name is Boris. He'll fit right in , he also loves "isolation".

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    Dockadams -- I agree. If one wants to understand the Taliban's hatred towards America long before the 9/11 attacks, then look at the Saudi Arabia financed madrassas that teach the most extreme puritanical form of Sunni Islamism called Wahhabism. According to Chris Murphy in 2016, the Saudi's spent at that time over $100 billion funding madrassas and mosques all over the world with the mission of spreading puritanical Wahhabi Islam. Strictly speaking, the Taliban practice Deobandism, another fundamentalist form of Islam very similar to Wahhabism. However, the Saudi financing of madrassas in Pakistan means that the distinction between the two sects of Sunni Islam are essentially moot when it comes to their hatred of Western societies.

    In this respect it is almost impossible to negotiate any terms with the Taliban because any accommodation to Western society would be seen as violating their extreme Islamic fundamentalist creed. Their clerics are being largely funded by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia...and who knows what the Russians are stirring up behind the scenes.

    On that note, Afghanistan has become America's catastrophic and endless blunder, and Russia (Putin) would like nothing more than to see us and our allies expend our human and financial resources to keep that blunder going on forever. As soon as the appearances of a negotiated settlement appear, something happens to scuttle it.

    Trump, the deal making president, thinks he can bring about a face saving solution in Afghanistan. That is as absurd as his deal making for a peaceful solution with Kim Sung-Un in North Korea.

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    I have to say that Russia would like to see nothing better than for the USA expend it's manpower, resources and money uselessly in Afghanistan, especially after the USA helped the Mujahideen kick the Russians from there.

    And, what about these secret talks/negotiations at Camp David? It used to be a secret meeting was just that, and even after a secret meeting had taken place, it wasn't called a secret meeting at all, in fact if it were secret, nothing would be mentioned that it was. Why?

    I believe I know why, but I'd like others to say why they think this secretive meeting was outed. I'll give a hint, would it be because we have a braggard in chief?

    There's an older 9/11 thread that I'm considering posting in to resurrect it for further discussions.

    democratichub.com/posts/15834/rememberi...

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    Dock, what do you expect from the Trump regime? The guy can't read/ write or analyse. He barely knows where Afghanistan is and their history. Just alone to think he as an supporter of Israel can negotiate with the Taliban as "friends". You must be kidding; he does not know what the word "negotiate" means; ask Kim/Putin/Xi and Boris.

    There must be an "brain" blackout to be that stupid. But yeah everything got cancelled, so he can start in the next stupid thing. La la land for sure.

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    Both Mike Pence and John Bolton thought meeting with the Taliban was idiotic - but Trump overruled them.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/9/1884397/-Pence-and-Bolton-thought-meeting-Taliban-over-9-11-anniversary-was-idiotic-Trump-overruled-them

    What's the next logical thing that could happen?

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    National Security Adviser John Bolton, one of the most prominent war hawks in Donald Trump’s administration, has handed in his resignation, the US president has announced.

    “I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House… I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning,” Trump tweeted. The president said that he and others in the administration “strongly” disagreed with many of Bolton’s decisions.

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

    · 2h

    I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

    ....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.

    Trump made the announcement just 90 minutes before Bolton was to appear at a joint press-conference with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

    With Bolton gone, the world can breathe a little easier. The problem, though, is that Trump will be naming a new National Security Director next week. The only thing that is certain is that Trump will pick the worst possible candidate.

    How about Jerry Falwell, Jr?

    https://www.rt.com/news/468504-bolton-resigns-trump-disagreed/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications

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    Dutch Wrote:

    Dock, what do you expect from the Trump regime? The guy can't read/ write or analyse. He barely knows where Afghanistan is and their history. Just alone to think he as an supporter of Israel can negotiate with the Taliban as "friends". You must be kidding; he does not know what the word "negotiate" means; ask Kim/Putin/Xi and Boris.

    There must be an "brain" blackout to be that stupid. But yeah everything got cancelled, so he can start in the next stupid thing. La la land for sure.

    But, I think you might agree with me when I say American foreign policy is flawed, or even worse than that. Every time we bring in a new administration, it seems as if our foreign policy changes, it doesn't seem to stay the same or have a standard.

    I see Bolton got his walking papers yesterday, this is the 3rd. or 4th. national security director in this administration.

    I think we can all agree that Trump is a dolt.

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    Dock:

    Bolton was his 4th, and he just appointed a guy named Charles Kupperman as his 5th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_%28United_States%29

    Kupperman has held senior positions in defense contractors Lockheed Martin and Boeing and served in the administration of former President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s.

    Kupperman served on the board of directors for the Center for Security Policy (CSP) between 2001 and 2010