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    A possible concept for gun control would be a certification on one's driver license attainable only after so many hours of training. An additional cert would serve as and replace the CCP. No cert on the DL, no firearm purchase. Needless to say, the devil is in the details for this. Plus, it would uleash a cess pit of anger from both the NRA, and their collection of zealots.
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    Why not use the enforcement of the current laws on the books and adjust those that seemingly does not do the job, and as long as the current system of background checks does not allow for mental health issues to be evaluated ( HIPPA) we will have unhinged people owning and carrying firearms. This a simple concept that even the NRA supports, but once the politicians get a hold of this type of legislation they start adding their own pet peeves to the Bill which almost always dooms the Bill to die in some committee before it even comes up for a vote.
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    Have you ever noticed it's the "gun free zones" that have all the mass killings?

    Why do you they pick these places that have zero gun tolerance when entering a building with guns and the goal of shooting people?

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    workingman Wrote:

    Have you ever noticed it's the "gun free zones" that have all the mass killings?

    Why do you they pick these places that have zero gun tolerance when entering a building with guns and the goal of shooting people?

    You must be kidding; ever seen car free highways? ( "gun" free zones don't exist; not even the White House!)
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    gun owners have like 300 million guns .... if we were a problem, ya'll would know it Very Happy

    I find it funny Democrats say voting is a right and that there should be no identification for it, but the 2nd Amendment is also a right and they DO want identification for that. Why ? Why isn't a right a right?

    I understand common sense gun laws - fully auto banned since the 80's, an instant background check to make sure you're not a felon or mentally insane etc. That's sensible. Everything else isn't - we have hundreds of laws that are walked through when criminals act .... they'll walk through all of them every time.

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    conservativecat Wrote: gun owners have like 300 million guns .... if we were a problem, ya'll would know it Very Happy

    Trust me. We know you gun nuts are a massive problem in this country.

    conservativecat Wrote: I find it funny Democrats say voting is a right and that there should be no identification for it, but the 2nd Amendment is also a right and they DO want identification for that. Why ? Why isn't a right a right?

    You have a right to own a musket; you don't have a right to own an rocket propelled grenade.

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    conservativecat Wrote:

    gun owners have like 300 million guns .... if we were a problem, ya'll would know it Very Happy

    I find it funny Democrats say voting is a right and that there should be no identification for it, but the 2nd Amendment is also a right and they DO want identification for that. Why ? Why isn't a right a right?

    I understand common sense gun laws - fully auto banned since the 80's, an instant background check to make sure you're not a felon or mentally insane etc. That's sensible. Everything else isn't - we have hundreds of laws that are walked through when criminals act .... they'll walk through all of them every time.

    The 2nd Amendment is not an right; because our "lawyers" made it an right, by "inventing" the wrong interpretation. Indeed as Jared says you can own an 1800's blunder bus or flintlock. In that document it never specified that you can own an AR 15 or AK 47. The NRA is an criminal organization who represents the weapons industry; "money" is the objective; nothing else.
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    A total waste of time and resources. Reasonable common sense gun laws arent going to accomplish anything.

    BTW when the second amendment was written the musket was analogous to an AR15. Nobody wants to talk common sense, objectivity and rationality. Just keep throwing out derogatory names about a sensitive issue.

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    jaredsxtn and Dutch, Define what you mean by gun nut. That will reveal a lot about a potential gun law. And again, I said I would 100% support anything Schmidt would write as a gun law.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    A total waste of time and resources. Reasonable common sense gun laws arent going to accomplish anything.

    BTW when the second amendment was written the musket was analogous to an AR15. Nobody wants to talk common sense, objectivity and rationality. Just keep throwing out derogatory names about a sensitive issue.

    Chet ; what school did you go to?? A musket/flintlock being the "same/ analogous?" as an AR15 or Ak 47?? Wow. Our forefathers had no clue that these weapons ever would be invented. So you spew out pure nonsense. I guess you have not the ability to transfer in your mind to go back to 1800, on how the world was then and what people thought then. Such Amendment was written without the "future" in mind. In an normal civil world like they do in other countries, they adapt "base laws" to the " times" . Here they don't do that; like the "Electoral College" system as well things like these Amendments which should have been updated long ago. Compare the number of killings here to Sweden ( Trump's favorite) by guns. But yeah; hoarding guns is an national hobby, because of lack of brains.

    More people are killed here by guns owned by Americans, than by any outside "terrorist"

    Sent that message to Trump

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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    A total waste of time and resources. Reasonable common sense gun laws arent going to accomplish anything.

    BTW when the second amendment was written the musket was analogous to an AR15. Nobody wants to talk common sense, objectivity and rationality. Just keep throwing out derogatory names about a sensitive issue.

    Chet ; what school did you go to?? A musket/flintlock being the "same/ analogous?" as an AR15 or Ak 47?? Wow. Our forefathers had no clue that these weapons ever would be invented. So you spew out pure nonsense. I guess you have not the ability to transfer in your mind to go back to 1800, on how the world was then and what people thought then. Such Amendment was written without the "future" in mind. In an normal civil world like they do in other countries, they adapt "base laws" to the " times" . Here they don't do that; like the "Electoral College" system as well things like these Amendments which should have been updated long ago. Compare the number of killings here to Sweden ( Trump's favorite) by guns. But yeah; hoarding guns is an national hobby, because of lack of brains.

    More people are killed here by guns owned by Americans, than by any outside "terrorist"

    Sent that message to Trump

    Dutch, When the 2nd amendment was passed in 1791, the musket was the most sophisticated dangerous state of the weapon at that time. It was the most dangerous destructive device and the 2nd amendment was written in and with that persoective. The 2nd amendment was written based on the state of the art wespon of the day. In 1791 the musket was today's AR15.
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    Dutch, You miss the point on so many things because all you do is hurry up to criticize. I ask you to define what you mean by the term gun nut.
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    In 1791 compared to rocks and spears and arrows the musket was the ultimate weapon. Do you understand that?

    BTW the AR15 is one of the lowest powered least lethal rifles made. It was designed with the lowest power of almost any army rifle in order to produce a higher number of wounded so it would tax the resources and slow the enemy down. The 30-06 M1 Garand is powerful enough to stop an elephant. The AR15 barely has enough power to stop a deer. The AR15 has the same diameter bullet as the multiple millions of .22s used for target shooting and plinking. The small cross sectional area is to reduce the shock impact imparted by the bullet.

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    Chet I don't think being the most powerful of their kind hundreds of years apart allows them to be discussed as anywhere near equal.

    As an exaggerated example consider this. A person with a modern machine gun type assault weapon could stand holding the loaded weapon with a large clip... sneeze due to seasonal allergies and with an unanticipated flinch accidentally shoot 30 others if as is common in America- they are bragging about their new toy at a picnic. If you sneezed with a musket, one might get shot. Not 30. That's why it's 1000 times more dangerous because there's no limits on who can buy 1 or 10.

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    a massive problem?

    gun deaths are not very high on the list of things that are killing Americans

    common sense gun control is what we have - right now. a fast background check to get felons and mentally ill ..... fully auto's have been banned for decades though the media still lies in its reporting.

    look the problem isn't the tool crazies use - its the crazies themselves. Its not legal gun owners doing the killings guys, 99.99 % of gun owners isn't a problem. If we are, and we have to have such restrictions then realize 99.99% of muslims and illegals aren't the problem but hammer down on them too right ?