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    I just heard that two conservative senators reached an agreement on back ground checks for all commercial sales including gun show sales and Internet sales. Excluded are private sales and sales within a family. I think this is amazing to get any progress at all. Much more needs to be done but it's a good first step.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us/politics/compromise-on-background-checks.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw&_r=0
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    TJ Wrote: I just heard that two conservative senators reached an agreement on back ground checks for all commercial sales including gun show sales and Internet sales. Excluded are private sales and sales within a family. I think this is amazing to get any progress at all. Much more needs to be done but it's a good first step.
    The biggest joke of the century is just about being put on paper; wow "background checks" may get the green light. I have never in my life seen such a total fake legislation. Only at shops and gunshows! Wow even then it is laughable; who says any nut has ever seen a schrink or has a record that he is nuts; also if he is not nuts yet he may become one fast because of the present society. Then we have the other 330 million guns floating around and how many nuts and unregistered criminals own those ? Of course I can sell my guns to the neighbor who I do not know; no background check needed.
    What a piece of total pure waste of time. Where are the brains in this country?
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    This is what is known as feel good legistration, there will be a lot of chest thumping and see what I accomplished with my bi-partisianship speeches, this Bill only left some committee,it still hasn't come to the floor yet,the anti gun folks trotted out some guy whose wife (I think it was his wife) was slain by a gunman and he proceeded to tell the committee how easy it was for him to purchase an AR-15 from a guy in the parking lot of a gunshow with no background check whats so ever, so he said we needed to close the loophole to prevent this type of transaction from ever occurring, this is how most illegal guns are sold (handguns) from the trunk of a car,there is no loophole,its against the law buy weapons from an unlicensed dealer,excluding family sales of course, no reputable weapons dealer would put his license on the line for the sake of a sale to a guy who doesn't want a background check.
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    It's meant to be humorous, a take off from the crazy NRA. I worked in schools for over 30 years and in no way am I serious about guns in school. Lighten up and read more carefully.
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    I'm not suggesting that back ground checks is going to solve any problems but it's a start. The way the conservatives are it was thought that they wouldn't budge on anything. If we get back ground checks I will be glad about that. Nothing is going to happen that is going to solve all of the problems. One step at a time. With 300 million guns out there...... there's no way all of the problems will ever be solved. Next step is a data base of people with mental illness that will be required to be checked as part of the back ground check.
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    Many states already have background checks as a requirement. My state TN has had background checks in effect since the early 90's.
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    Boone Wrote: Many states already have background checks as a requirement. My state TN has had background checks in effect since the early 90's.
    Fantastic!! So in TN they have no nutheads with guns? Sorry to say "mental" records do not mean a thing; probably their husband/or wife has no record and buys the guns or another family member.
    Read my "thread" again; it is purely laughable and a huge joke, pure silly.

    "quote"the joke of the century is just about being put on paper; wow "background checks" may get the green light. I have never in my life seen such a total fake legislation. Only at shops and gunshows! Wow even then it is laughable; who says any nut has ever seen a schrink or has a record that he is nuts; also if he is not nuts yet he may become one fast because of the present society. Then we have the other 330 million guns floating around and how many nuts and unregistered criminals own those ? Of course I can sell my guns to the neighbor who I do not know; no background check needed.
    What a piece of total pure waste of time. Where are the brains in this country? "unquote"
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    Having a data base on anyone with who had or is having mental issues is a very scarey propostion, who gets put on the list, do you ever come off the list, who would have access to the list and for what purpose,would it include emotional issues as well,and lastly how would you resolve the HIPPA issues that would certainly arise out of such a data base. Would any employer who requires an extensive background check have access to the list, no ,a data base such as this is frought with too many loopholes to be exploited by way too many people who could in fact do a great harm to a select few of our citizens.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Having a data base on anyone with who had or is having mental issues is a very scarey propostion, who gets put on the list, do you ever come off the list, who would have access to the list and for what purpose,would it include emotional issues as well,and lastly how would you resolve the HIPPA issues that would certainly arise out of such a data base. Would any employer who requires an extensive background check have access to the list, no ,a data base such as this is frought with too many loopholes to be exploited by way too many people who could in fact do a great harm to a select few of our citizens.
    Yes you are right; a lot of data can be used for the wrong purpose. Take for example someone dies in the family and a family member gets very upset by this happening; the doctor prescribes Prozac or something like it. After awhile the person gets back to normal and stops the pills. Is then all of a sudden this person a danger to society? Also if a person has no records at all, he/she may be the biggest druggy of them all. Lots of doctors reports are also not computerised and stored in binders. So as you said the mess gets only bigger; the real gun nuts will make sure that their records are nowhere to be found.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Boone Wrote: Many states already have background checks as a requirement. My state TN has had background checks in effect since the early 90's.
    Fantastic!! So in TN they have no nutheads with guns? Sorry to say "mental" records do not mean a thing; probably their husband/or wife has no record and buys the guns or another family member.
    Read my "thread" again; it is purely laughable and a huge joke, pure silly.

    "quote"the joke of the century is just about being put on paper; wow "background checks" may get the green light. I have never in my life seen such a total fake legislation. Only at shops and gunshows! Wow even then it is laughable; who says any nut has ever seen a schrink or has a record that he is nuts; also if he is not nuts yet he may become one fast because of the present society. Then we have the other 330 million guns floating around and how many nuts and unregistered criminals own those ? Of course I can sell my guns to the neighbor who I do not know; no background check needed.
    What a piece of total pure waste of time. Where are the brains in this country? "unquote"
    We have our full share of nut heads, and I agree background checks are a joke.
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    I just saw a MSNBC media report on gun purchasing in several different states. The reporter team traveled to several states going directly to public gun shows. The reporters were able to purchase 3 glocks and one AR15 (similar to the weapon used at Newtown). All weapons were semi-automatic and sold with accompanying carrying cases, removable clips (AR-15 had a curved 30 round magazine) and "NO" names required, "NO" paperwork, "NO" background check, and "NO" identification of being in/out of state.

    Yes, I agree current background checks, paperwork, and identication is a joke. All you need is MONEY. It helps to have negotiation skills because you may be able to talk the owner of the weapon down from his price. It was clear from the reporting while watching the dialog taking place between seller and buyer that the seller had only one purpose, sell the weapon, get the most money, and no need to take or answer any questions. If you have ever went to a country flea market, it was the same public activity for selling your goods.

    No wonder criminals can get weapons anytime they desire. Since no questions are ask from the seller, a criminal can get any weapon desired. Nobody is going to know that criminal bought the weapon. The seller is happy he made money and could care less if the criminal uses it to murder someone.

    America needs some control on this. It's plain stupid and not at all what the 2nd Amendment was intended for the citizens of America.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I just saw a MSNBC media report on gun purchasing in several different states. The reporter team traveled to several states going directly to public gun shows. The reporters were able to purchase 3 glocks and one AR15 (similar to the weapon used at Newtown). All weapons were semi-automatic and sold with accompanying carrying cases, removable clips (AR-15 had a curved 30 round magazine) and "NO" names required, "NO" paperwork, "NO" background check, and "NO" identification of being in/out of state.

    Yes, I agree current background checks, paperwork, and identication is a joke. All you need is MONEY. It helps to have negotiation skills because you may be able to talk the owner of the weapon down from his price. It was clear from the reporting while watching the dialog taking place between seller and buyer that the seller had only one purpose, sell the weapon, get the most money, and no need to take or answer any questions. If you have ever went to a country flea market, it was the same public activity for selling your goods.

    No wonder criminals can get weapons anytime they desire. Since no questions are ask from the seller, a criminal can get any weapon desired. Nobody is going to know that criminal bought the weapon. The seller is happy he made money and could care less if the criminal uses it to murder someone.

    America needs some control on this. It's plain stupid and not at all what the 2nd Amendment was intended for the citizens of America.
    I said this many times; I guess it will be quiet sometime until there is again a large kiling somewhere, the odds are in favor of this.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I just saw a MSNBC media report on gun purchasing in several different states. The reporter team traveled to several states going directly to public gun shows. The reporters were able to purchase 3 glocks and one AR15 (similar to the weapon used at Newtown). All weapons were semi-automatic and sold with accompanying carrying cases, removable clips (AR-15 had a curved 30 round magazine) and "NO" names required, "NO" paperwork, "NO" background check, and "NO" identification of being in/out of state.

    Yes, I agree current background checks, paperwork, and identication is a joke. All you need is MONEY. It helps to have negotiation skills because you may be able to talk the owner of the weapon down from his price. It was clear from the reporting while watching the dialog taking place between seller and buyer that the seller had only one purpose, sell the weapon, get the most money, and no need to take or answer any questions. If you have ever went to a country flea market, it was the same public activity for selling your goods.

    No wonder criminals can get weapons anytime they desire. Since no questions are ask from the seller, a criminal can get any weapon desired. Nobody is going to know that criminal bought the weapon. The seller is happy he made money and could care less if the criminal uses it to murder someone.

    America needs some control on this. It's plain stupid and not at all what the 2nd Amendment was intended for the citizens of America.
    The fact that you are citing MSNBC makes your entire argument invalid. Polarized parodies of news sources such as MSNBC and Fox news can never actually be used as legitimate sources because all they do is propel their own agenda. Until you can show a neutral, unbiased source you do nothing but make yourself look bad.
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    Well, Mr reaganlover (aren't you ashamed to even admit that?) you're half right as most "Reagan lovers" usually are. Fox isn't news or fair & balanced!

    You're wasting your (and our) time here if you think anyone on this site swallows the Reagan BS line as you obviously do!

    The bridge is behind you, I suggest you make a sharp U turn and get back under it with the rest of the Republican Trolls ASAP.

    have a nice evening ;)
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    pr Wrote: Well, Mr reaganlover (aren't you ashamed to even admit that?) you're half right as most "Reagan lovers" usually are. Fox isn't news or fair & balanced!

    You're wasting your (and our) time here if you think anyone on this site swallows the Reagan BS line as you obviously do!

    The bridge is behind you, I suggest you make a sharp U turn and get back under it with the rest of the Republican Trolls ASAP.

    have a nice evening ;)
    Well pgr, at least Reagan had ideas that proved to work and benefit the country as a whole economically. The only thing that stopped him from fully implementing these measures was the Democrat controlled Congress.
    And if you're really going to uphold MSNBC as a legitimate source then we should stop arguing right now because you are obviously too polarized to admit that you are ever wrong on anything pertaining to politics.