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Pro-Life Hyprocrisy

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  • Democrat
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    "A Conservtive Government is an organized hyprocrisy." Benjamin Disraeli

    I ponder the thoughts on many of commentary that this forum has to offer. It's a great tool for media types to gauge the reactionary to social issues. However, I do find what I believe is hyprocritical thinking is the prolife groups that say one thing, but perform/have the opposite view. For example, on contraception there is a wide variation on how much contraception can we except. Hard line Catholics say no pill and abstinence will rule the day. The anti-abortionist says life begins at conception. Than the Rebublican base thought is to jump into the middle of these views and bring in the votes...........to hell with the pro-life thought, it all about the votes. From these views, why do these people think that Pro-Life protects life? They stop at the gates of this view and ignore the reprecussions of supporting their prolife agenda. For all those that vigilantly support Pro-Life are you going to support that child throughout its life here on earth? Are you going fund the education and welfare of this new person that you have brought into this world? Are you going to provide complete medical care and prevent this young person growing up from fears of being killed in the streets or war? Are you going to support all people born as Prolife subjects to the fullest God excepted plan of life on earth? The Republicans and Tea Party voice their conservative views and this is where the "Hyprocrisy", begins.

    "There are three things in the world that desires no mercy, hyprocrisy, fraud, and tyranny." Frederick Wiliam Robertson

    While I watch the political commentary on TV, I often will say that person is a hyprocrite. You see where Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, McCain, Speakers of the House & Senate, Presidents, and oh yes, the media junkies, Limbaugh, Coulter, Ingraham, Hannity, Beck and Oreilly all join in a chorus of hyprocrisy. They want us to vote in favor of some nobel issue, but they refuse to pick up the costs of the dammages they inflict on humanity and our society. Current issues at the moment is the closing of schools, denying health care, nonsupport of funds to weather damaged communities, ignoring the help for our returning injured war veterans, supporting investments into wasting our precious natural resources, attacking employment to make Obama fail, and use medicare, social security, health and welfare assistance as attempts to save political futures. When you stop to think about the onslaught of attacks on our well being, you get a message that they don't care how much damage they inflict. These people will stop at nothing in order to get some short term satisfaction of a win. Do you think they are going to pick up the damages they inflict, later? These hyprocrites, don't care, because they can't see past their nose what they are doing to society. It's all about them and not us.

    "Hyprocrisy can afford to be magnificient in its promises, forever intending to go beyond promise, it costs nothing." Edmund Burke

    Some of the biggest hyprocrites are right next door, such as our churches and religious people. Now, I first want to admit I am a serious Christian, support my Church, and work diligently to improve myself, but their are forces that contaminate my lifestyle and what I would appreciate to achieve. I'll say most Churches do not provide health/medical benefits and retirement funding to their administration, childcare, janatorial and building services. However, I can say most churches will provide a meaningful retirement and health/medical for the Pastor, Reverend or Priest. To preach we are our Brother's Keeper and administer to the poor, than how come there are so many people that are starving, in slavery, wasting away near death, and live in constant pain? The example of the Church, is a classic, and I get very vocal about those Churches that don't even support their own workers. The larger the Church the more workers are performing duties as job just like any business environment. I just can't get into the Pro-Life movement, because it just bounces back as hyprocritical. Our life here on earth, just isn't Pro-life. Although, I believe in the promises of a life given to my Lord, I continue to find it difficult to live amongst so many hypocrites.
  • Democrat
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    It is difficult to discern the line between Humanism and Religous Doctrine, but it is one that all of us must decide on our own, always hate the sin but pray for the sinner. All of the Media attention that plays on this issue makes me wonder if there is a hidden agenda behind all this, after all ,the media does not give that much attention to any of the commandments that are broken by us.
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    johnnycee Wrote: It is difficult to discern the line between Humanism and Religous Doctrine, but it is one that all of us must decide on our own, always hate the sin but pray for the sinner. All of the Media attention that plays on this issue makes me wonder if there is a hidden agenda behind all this, after all ,the media does not give that much attention to any of the commandments that are broken by us.
    'Tis not! Religous Doctrine is principle based while Humanism is ground based.
  • Democrat
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    Humanism is having a practice of daily living based on a philosphy other than religious principals mostly its based on a particular moral upbringing

    Religious doctrine is based on a certain deity or deities teachings.

    People get confused when they mix Humanism witha Religious principal, sometimes they mesh but more often they do not. therein lies the struggle.
  • Democrat
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    A quote from a rather unfriendly neighbor to the south of Florida makes for interesting thought in hyprocrisy.

    "I find Capitalism repugnant, it is gross, it is alienating...........because it causes war, hyprocrisy and competition." Fidel Castro

    Is capitalism a root to greed, poor treatment of others and inhumanity? It appear it can be when you think of the Koch brother's spreading their web of influence in politics and our society. It could be related that anti-gun control folks are under the spells of gun manufacturing and the NRA lobby which would be where capitalism makes this gun control issue repugnant. I'm not a fan of Fidel, but he does make some sense. It is hyprocritcal for the gun control opponents to ignore the shootings and killings in our country. That 13 month old child that was shot in the face and died was a stupid reason for weapons in the hands of those teenagers charged with the killing. Wayne Lapierre and the NRA lobby don't want to talk about the killings, just leave our weapons alone. This people get adequate investment for their actions, which this shows where capitalism alienates the country. One side wants gun control and the other side does not. How much alienation do you want?
  • Democrat
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    On the topic : conservative hypocrisy. It is hard, I imagine, for anuone who thinks about the matter, to believe that conservatives. considered as a political movement, have any concern one way ofr the other for the unborn. Their political philospohy shines a glaring light on this issue. Since they care not a whit abou live children living in desperate situations in the slums of American cites, since they want to cripple programs like Medicaid aimed at assisting sick children, and since thay take many other stands on issues that further the misery of poor children and their families.....why would anyone honestly think they care about a potential child that isn't even born yet ? In this respect they are at one with the Roman Church which is very voal in denouncing abortions but has little or nothing to say when the government aborts thousands of young men ( and now women ) in wars of economic conquest or to establish an American military presence in certain parts of the globe.Those who are against abortion should stop stnding out on street corners with anti abortion signs and start working for economic justice so that a pregnancy does not become someting thousands of women fear becuse they have no way of supporting a new, or another child. To say that American conservatives are hypocritical on this issue is like saying baseballs are round.
  • Independent
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: On the topic : conservative hypocrisy. It is hard, I imagine, for anuone who thinks about the matter, to believe that conservatives. considered as a political movement, have any concern one way ofr the other for the unborn. Their political philospohy shines a glaring light on this issue. Since they care not a whit abou live children living in desperate situations in the slums of American cites, since they want to cripple programs like Medicaid aimed at assisting sick children, and since thay take many other stands on issues that further the misery of poor children and their families.....why would anyone honestly think they care about a potential child that isn't even born yet ? In this respect they are at one with the Roman Church which is very voal in denouncing abortions but has little or nothing to say when the government aborts thousands of young men ( and now women ) in wars of economic conquest or to establish an American military presence in certain parts of the globe.Those who are against abortion should stop stnding out on street corners with anti abortion signs and start working for economic justice so that a pregnancy does not become someting thousands of women fear becuse they have no way of supporting a new, or another child. To say that American conservatives are hypocritical on this issue is like saying baseballs are round.
    "left" absolutely agree with you; I'm even kind of silent, because I've nothing more to add to it. compliments.
  • Democrat
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    I try not to make broad based generalities like all conservitives are hypocrites and that they care not for the unborn and that they don't care about the poor, I live in a hugely democratic city, we have some of the worse schools both elementary and secondary, our crime rate is very high,despite the juggling of the numbers by the party machine, we have right now a Dr.on trial for killing seven babies ,one of which ,and I'll quote the Dr.here " he (the baby)was so big ,he could have walked with me to the bus",we have a 5 year mandatory sentence for crimes committed with a gun,which at best is poorly applied, our Traffic court system is so corrupt that all but 1 judge has been removed with 3 already pleading guilty and the State Legistature is attempting to eliminate the office of Traffic Court,because they ( State Supreme Court) said that the corruption is so pervasive that the elimation is the only real course of action left, now all these people and systems are run by the Democratic party, so does that make all Democrats hypocrites because obviously these Democrats don't follow the National Democrats policy, I don't think so, we all can pick and choose our fights but I again ,try to not paint with a broad brush a whole group because of a small minority within the group the goes off the beaten track and of course the Media loves to highlight their rantings until it becomes the issue and the question that brought about the ranting is forgotton.
  • Democrat
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    It is with humor that I comment on my wife on TV advertisements for erectile dysfunction. My wife laughs, "4 hours", who they kidding. Although I can realize that having such a male problem can be an issue in a family, but look at the hyprocrisy. Our social media and don't forget all the email one can receive on assistance in elongating one's self, correcting erectile dysfunction and items to put "her" in the mood. Does anybody not see that this messaging is male centered? Very little of this advertising and assistance is for the women. Why? I find it hyprocritical in the way women are treated in this man dominated society. We often ignore the woman's issue of rape, violence and slavery. Our women are moved around our country, as well as in the world, like cattle. If you don't think these advertisements and messaging to all us males are not promoting dominance to women, than you very are narrow-minded. So to add in our moral thinking, here's another great quote:

    "Hyprocrisy is a value that I think has been embraced by the Republican Party. We get lectured by people all day long about moral valuesby people who have their own moral shortcomings." Howard Dean

    This sounds like Dean. Sorry again for the Republican only message, because I believe Democrats as well as all politicians suffer this problem with hyprocrisy. So if all of us suffer from this problem, is it a problem?
  • Democrat
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    Viagra the wonder drug. Other then working full time before I retired, I can't recall any activity that required 4 hours of my time,I am not including the wineing and dining during the beginning period of a relationship, but if that particular drug comes into play, I would assume that the relationship has progressed quite well, so with that in mind and maybe in some wild childish erotic dream of mine back in my youth,where I had envisioned having that much stamina, why would I want to be able to go for 4 hours, also would'nt my partner have some say in that matter unless of course there is an equivlent drug for her.
  • Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: I try not to make broad based generalities like all conservitives are hypocrites and that they care not for the unborn and that they don't care about the poor, I live in a hugely democratic city, we have some of the worse schools both elementary and secondary, our crime rate is very high,despite the juggling of the numbers by the party machine, we have right now a Dr.on trial for killing seven babies ,one of which ,and I'll quote the Dr.here " he (the baby)was so big ,he could have walked with me to the bus",we have a 5 year mandatory sentence for crimes committed with a gun,which at best is poorly applied, our Traffic court system is so corrupt that all but 1 judge has been removed with 3 already pleading guilty and the State Legistature is attempting to eliminate the office of Traffic Court,because they ( State Supreme Court) said that the corruption is so pervasive that the elimation is the only real course of action left, now all these people and systems are run by the Democratic party, so does that make all Democrats hypocrites because obviously these Democrats don't follow the National Democrats policy, I don't think so, we all can pick and choose our fights but I again ,try to not paint with a broad brush a whole group because of a small minority within the group the goes off the beaten track and of course the Media loves to highlight their rantings until it becomes the issue and the question that brought about the ranting is forgotton.
    Johnny, A very good point. It's never a good idea to tar everyone with the same dirty brush. There are people who are conservative in their outlook on life and in their life styles who are anti abortion. However, the conservative movement, as it is constituted politically today, is hypocritical on every issue it takes on. This may change to some degree in the near future. Many of the positions taken by the leadership were adopted in order to curry favor with right wing evangelical voters. That movement is now losing some of its membership and steam. Watch for some of ther hypocrites begin to abandon these bogus Christians. If Republicans , those who reside outside the swamp lands where the Tea Party rules,.....if regular Republican hypocrites ever want to get into office again....they are going to have to fool a good number of middle class and poor folks into believing that the Party is genuinely concerned wth their well being. The Party never has been, but they have managed in the past to convince great numbers of politically ignorant people that the Republican Party was a good bet......working class voters for Reagan, etc. Personally, I, hope that people like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul continue to push thier imbecilic programs. Got to go.
  • Democrat
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    It doesn't a take whole lot of effort to fool a large section of the electorate, couple that with the stay at home voters and the I don't care who gets in voters, to swing an election, it seems so many of our voters depend on sound bytes and what ever the media makes the issue of the day to be, I wish there were more town hall meetings with the candidates and not televised debates held by partisian news heads,who don't know how to conduct a debate, if they are going to debate an issue,fine ,but if think you are going to get a meaningful debate in 2 hours on a variety of topics from a TV stage, then you are in for a sad surprise.
  • Republican
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    You say "I believe in a life given to my Lord." Yet, you call those who would preserve those lives created by that same Lord hypocrites. And, it would seem that although you believe that your life matters to the Lord (It does), you fail to see that the most helpless human life at its very beginning matters just as much. So, kill it, you say, because there is a chance it may not be raised with a silver spoon in its mouth. Christ said, "Blessed are the poor. The kingdom of God is theirs." If I had the choice to live poor or die, I would still choose life. You are not justified in your mercy killing.
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    I suggest you start "pamphleteering" at the Natick Mall, perhaps you'll pick up some conservative, right wing, Christian wackos who are tired of being stroked by Fix Not News all day!
  • Independent
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    trueblue Wrote: You say "I believe in a life given to my Lord." Yet, you call those who would preserve those lives created by that same Lord hypocrites. And, it would seem that although you believe that your life matters to the Lord (It does), you fail to see that the most helpless human life at its very beginning matters just as much. So, kill it, you say, because there is a chance it may not be raised with a silver spoon in its mouth. Christ said, "Blessed are the poor. The kingdom of God is theirs." If I had the choice to live poor or die, I would still choose life. You are not justified in your mercy killing.
    The crazy thing here is that due to that these things never can be discussed with common sense; always religion or politics pokes its ugly head into the matter.
    In Europe this is not at all a point of discussion; in case of abortions the mother decides, of course in concurrance with her family and doctor.
    Not at all too difficult to understand; why do churches and politics meddle into something which is so personal? Sorry also mothers are "human" and can make mistakes, also nature can make mistakes by creating a fully misformed fetus; "god's do not interfere in human life, birth or death. neither should any political party.