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Why is America saying it's ok for gay's to marry because they support sons, daughters

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You are entitled to your own opinion, but I must respectfully disagree whole-heartedly with you. "In God We Trust" became the United States official motto in 1956, but has been on some coins since the middle 1800's. We became the most powerful country in the world because we won World War II. To the victor goes the spoils.

    Most importantly, I want to remind you of the actual founding principle that this country was founded on: The First Amendment of the United States Constitution reads "Congress shall make NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    I encourage you to actually follow the teachings of your savior: Matthew 7: 1-4 "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

    As I expressed earlier, you are entitled to your opinions and that's the wonderful thing about our country: everyone can believe what they want to. Just don't get my Government involved in it.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    think on these thi Wrote: I have a real problem with the thinking of America today. We said, "IN GOD WE TRUST". For years we did just that, "TRUSTED GOD." As a result AMERICA BECAME THE RICHES MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Look at us as a result of our sin, and going by our own thoughts and ways. We can't trust in God and do ouar own wills. If Gods says it, DO IT. God does not give us the rights to marry outside of the woman with a man, and a man with a woman. This is God's way. Are we willing to sacrifice ourself to be disobedient to GOD. To loose our status as the greatest on earth. Be sacrificed because of sin.

    Please, stop and listen to me, THE DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND. REPEAT AND SIN NO MORE. We can't take the side of children, family, leaders, the President or anyone to the command of our GOD. PRAYER FOR THEM IS A COMMAND. PRAYER THAT THEY WILL NOT LOOSE THEIR SOULS.

    Sinceerely,
    Think on these things
    Sorry, but it is time for you to get real; live and let live; other peoples life's are none of your bussiness; 'god's do not run countries; people do.
    Even if they marry a snake it is none of your bussiness.
  • Republican
    Natick, MA
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    I agree with you that marriage should remain between one man and one woman. This arrangement is the only arrangement of pro-creation, and the set-up for a "whole" family, with one male role model and one female role model. I understand that adoption is also an option, but the two types of role models still play an important part in growing up and continuing the family-based society.

    Further, marriage is not a right. It has never been a right. A couple even needs to apply for a license, and have their blood tested. It is a joining of a man and a women, before the people providing no one within the society has any reasonable objection to the marriage of the two individuals. If the society at large remains true to the nuclear family, and maintains the definition of marriage as the life bond between one man and one woman, then society will continue to build upon itself strong and straight from its foundation- the family, with one mother and one father.
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    trueblue Wrote: I agree with you that marriage should remain between one man and one woman. This arrangement is the only arrangement of pro-creation, and the set-up for a "whole" family, with one male role model and one female role model. I understand that adoption is also an option, but the two types of role models still play an important part in growing up and continuing the family-based society.

    Further, marriage is not a right. It has never been a right. A couple even needs to apply for a license, and have their blood tested. It is a joining of a man and a women, before the people providing no one within the society has any reasonable objection to the marriage of the two individuals. If the society at large remains true to the nuclear family, and maintains the definition of marriage as the life bond between one man and one woman, then society will continue to build upon itself strong and straight from its foundation- the family, with one mother and one father.
    Two fundies in three posts. Oh,oh, what has this forum become?
  • Liberal
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    I don't know about you but I'm ready to gag over their nonsense! They don't understand (and never will) they are the problem, not same sex marriage or belief in god.

    We can, and do, pity their intolerance and hate because, fortunately, they and their kind are on the way out and better times are ahead for everyone, not just their kind!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    GemsWoven Wrote:
    trueblue Wrote: I agree with you that marriage should remain between one man and one woman. This arrangement is the only arrangement of pro-creation, and the set-up for a "whole" family, with one male role model and one female role model. I understand that adoption is also an option, but the two types of role models still play an important part in growing up and continuing the family-based society.

    Further, marriage is not a right. It has never been a right. A couple even needs to apply for a license, and have their blood tested. It is a joining of a man and a women, before the people providing no one within the society has any reasonable objection to the marriage of the two individuals. If the society at large remains true to the nuclear family, and maintains the definition of marriage as the life bond between one man and one woman, then society will continue to build upon itself strong and straight from its foundation- the family, with one mother and one father.
    Two fundies in three posts. Oh,oh, what has this forum become?
    Yes nutheads galore; but anyway it is a free country; too bad that there are way too many idiots.
  • Independent
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    From reading history books I really can't find a period when conditions reflected "In God we trust" as anything more than a motto which was and is their God. We can either start listing them by starting from either the landing of the Pilgrims or the American Revolution and the length of the list does not change. There was no noble cause behind the Revolution any more than there was for the Civil. Greed was the driving force behind both. You have to get over this attitude that God inspired these people to write the Constitution as those who wrote the Bible.
    Men like Ben Franklin chose to support the Revolution only after accepting the fact that he was not going to get a Land Grant from England for a little piece of Land extending west of PA to the Pacific. Major political figures are today as they were then and Forming a new Democratic nation was not what they had in mind or what we got. Would a nation that wanted freedom for all have provide it for so few as they did? A majority did not have the right to vote for a long time. Opression was no different und the new government than it was under England. Some time go throught the Ten Commandments and see how you would apply to those to the actions of the Patriots.

    If you can not accept my thoughts just remember that the last GOP President was elected by a minirity vote with the looser having a majority. Your problem is you believe the history books.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: I don't know about you but I'm ready to gag over their nonsense! They don't understand (and never will) they are the problem, not same sex marriage or belief in god.

    We can, and do, pity their intolerance and hate because, fortunately, they and their kind are on the way out and better times are ahead for everyone, not just their kind!
    PGR they likely never had a kid this way like this Repub. senator who all of a sudden changed his mind. Hypocrites that is the right word.
    The word tolerance and live and let live does not exist in their dictionary.
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    trueblue Wrote: Of course, none of you Liberals with your "Live and Let Live" philosophy gives a rats ass about what the children of two gay parents will have to deal with, socially. KIDS ARE TOTALLY EXPENDABLE TO YOU.

    It matters not to you that they will face ridicule from their peers, because of their deviant parents and their bizarre family. It matters not to you that many of their friends will just not be allowed to play over their house, because of the creepy two Dads that other parents don't want their kids exposed to, or their creepy Lesbian Moms.

    Did you ever think of the effect on the kids? Obviously not.
    Oh yes we do!! We tell the kids of all families, not just the gay ones, to stay well away from the fundie kids. You know, the kids who fail science class because they don't believe in heathen dogma. :)

    I am still waiting for one of you to accidently say what your final solution to the gay issue is.
  • Center Left
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    trueblue Wrote: Of course, none of you Liberals with your "Live and Let Live" philosophy gives a rats ass about what the children of two gay parents will have to deal with, socially. KIDS ARE TOTALLY EXPENDABLE TO YOU.

    It matters not to you that they will face ridicule from their peers, because of their deviant parents and their bizarre family. It matters not to you that many of their friends will just not be allowed to play over their house, because of the creepy two Dads that other parents don't want their kids exposed to, or their creepy Lesbian Moms.

    Did you ever think of the effect on the kids? Obviously not.
    The kids that I worry about (Quite Seriously) are yours. Intolerant haters are not in style this year. You better question who's kids will be made fun of and feel ashamed but it's most likely going to be yours. Don't act like you know anything because the only thing you seem in tune with is your own hateful ways. Maybe you'll realize that we are a very accepting community here. We like people with all sorts of beliefs. We don't like people who are quick to judge others and show homophobic ways. Perhaps it's time for you to leave.
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    TJ Wrote:
    trueblue Wrote: Of course, none of you Liberals with your "Live and Let Live" philosophy gives a rats ass about what the children of two gay parents will have to deal with, socially. KIDS ARE TOTALLY EXPENDABLE TO YOU.

    It matters not to you that they will face ridicule from their peers, because of their deviant parents and their bizarre family. It matters not to you that many of their friends will just not be allowed to play over their house, because of the creepy two Dads that other parents don't want their kids exposed to, or their creepy Lesbian Moms.

    Did you ever think of the effect on the kids? Obviously not.
    The kids that I worry about (Quite Seriously) are yours. Intolerant haters are not in style this year. You better question who's kids will be made fun of and feel ashamed but it's most likely going to be yours. Don't act like you know anything because the only thing you seem in tune with is your own hateful ways. Maybe you'll realize that we are a very accepting community here. We like people with all sorts of beliefs. We don't like people who are quick to judge others and show homophobic ways. Perhaps it's time for you to leave.
    Yes these people have no clue at all about life. Too bad they live now; they would have loved to have Hitler as their leader.
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    As so many in this group have been involved in "Scienve verses God" discussions I came upon this:

    http://bigthink.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=f4d80d83b2b3a40cbc4ddaf7a&id=7a556d7d49&e=4e0fa23f9d

    "Richard Feyman gave a lunchtime talk at the California Institute of Technology. The relation between science and religion was on the docket that day. To organize his thoughts, Feynman wove what may be a familiar story". It is my opinion that Science and Religion both require Faith.

    On the subject expressed by trueblue:

    This isn't even a problem experienced by just being gay or having gay parents. Shall we talk about the girl that hanged herself in Canada? It has nothing to do with being consertive or libral. It has nothing to do with being religious or athiestic. It has everything to do with having respect for others and views they hold. We are looking at a problam which exists that covers the nation and it is being discussed as if it were a problem which is experienced only by the "gay community". Shall we talk about the pastor's son in California, I believe, who could no longer face life. How many of you feel that the "Witch Hunt" in Salem, MA had anything to do with hunting for witches. Several PBC or other groups, specials have given a better understanding as to the reason. Being slightly different was the biggest one. It turns out that the majority of those being called whitches may have been Baptist. FYI Massachusetts had a Law on the Books stating it was legal to shoot a person entering the state from Rhode Island.

    Christianity teaches, or should be teaching, tolerance. The only time I have been able to find that Jesus got upset is in the Temple and about wealth. Compassion, understanding, tolerance, kindness are all the same attitude and it is the attitude the NT of the Bible tells you that you should have. Do the BE-ATTITUDES apply to different people or should all apply to all Christians? Being a member of a "Fundermentalist" church or calling youelf a "Born Again Christian" does not make a Christian, it's having a different attitude and I don't see that among most "Bible Thumpers".
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    Born again and Fundamentalist Christian actually practice a weird form of Judaism(notice how often they quote OT). Jesus would be as miffed with these folks as he was with the temple. And for the same reason.