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  • Democrat
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    I previously identified in a topic about the way propaganda plays into our minds and assists us in acceptance, buy-in and volunteer for all the gusto of an invasion of another country. Fridany, March 22 in the evening is a showing of Hubris: Selling the Iraq War. I believe this to be not a surprise, but a continuation of what many of us have been writing in this blog. An advertisement of the showing displays Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld all walking together as a group toward a camera. This group was very instrumental in persuading America to send 4500+ U.S. armed forces to their death and 100,000+ Iraq citizens to their death. Media is just now getting administration representatives in our government to talk. They are revealing trouble in the Presidents (Bush) Office. We have to move on. We have to give our men and women who served honorably in this war our gratitude and our help. But woe to those who sent them to war.

    Today in the Kansas City Star newspaper, front page, is a story about a severely wounded Iraq War veteran that currently chooses to die and end his struggle. He's tired of fighting for life and a beaucracy. He has been in a constant stuggle for 9 years after a sniper's bullet tore through his spine after 1 week in the Iraq War. He had planned to go to a war in Afghanistan, where he felt was the real war, but instead an Army Chaplin convinced him about IRAQ and he was sent to IRAQ. Since his injury, he has been fighting the Department of Veteran Affairs. He has become an activist to seek attention to the price America has paid for the Iraq War, a war we should not have fought. He is givng up on life as saying, "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.", and is having hospice deny him nourishment, water and medication. He is now dying. To his final work, he has sent an open letter to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney on behalf of the "human detritus", that was left behind in pain and grief. This young man was interviewed on 60 minutes and a subject on the commentary "Body of War". This young man presently lives in Kansas City and I expect to hear of his eventual death soon.

    If his story is printed in other newspapers, there may soon be more news after his death. I say a pray for him and his family and although it was war he didn't want, I say Thank you for your service to our country and may God grant you peace and joy, you have earned it. This young man above all life's struggles has endured what all of us would not even dream of having to do.

    The Bush Adminstration sold America death for capturing a crazy dictator, missing WMD's, promises of oil and massive investment opportunities for the wealthy.
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    AmcmurryFreedom --

    I watched it the first time around. Rachel talked about the documentary on her show tonight and noted that Dick Cheney had no regrets about his actions.

    'I did what I did,' he says. 'It’s all on the public record, and I feel very good about it. If I had it to do over again, I’d do it in a minute.'

    Sheesh...the guy must have absolutely no conscience.
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    The GOP is not capable of accepting culpability for this war crime, (IRAQ) & for killing Saddam Hussein & his 2 sons, who had done NOTHING that he was accused of doing. According to Wikipedia, Saddam Hussein was "elected" thru some unusual means, I don't have every detail available right now, but he was not a cruel abusive leader. He did not make Iraqi women wear a burqua, he allowed women to go to college, he admired US art, music & architecture, and movies. He copied American clothing. He considered himself to be an honorable ALLY of the United States. But somewhere near the War's beginning [Shock & Awe --- 2003] Donald Rumsfeld & Dick Cheney became obsessed with his "dangerous nature" saying he was a dictator, and treated his people with contempt. (I think this was another false rumor, coming out of the Iraq War). IRAQ never confronted U.S. forces, as anything but allies. While US forces were occupying Kuwait, Iraqi forces frequently lit cigarettes for US guards. Both of them were guarding the borders there. And if the truth be known, the whole Kuwait invasion was a set up by Daddy Bush (#41) who TOLD Saddam Hussein that it was OK for him to go take back Kuwait, which had been formerly a territory of Iraq. Bush told his embassy staff (April Glaspie) to tell Saddam that it was OK for him to take back Kuwait, the US had no issue with it. But immediately after Saddam went into Kuwait to capture it, Bush went ballistic and claimed it was an illegal hostile movement by Saddam which required American military intervention. (Bush tricked Saddam into doing this), so to create a false flag operation to give us an excuse to invade Iraq. (Daddy Bush owned oil wells in Kuwait). So that may have played a role in that whole scenario.

    The GOP has never done anything that is not seriously unethical, criminal, or even a war crime in many decades. Even Ronnie Reagan committed a serious crime by giving weapons to an "enemy" nation (Iran) to get the hostages released. (During the Carter Admin. -- 1976 tp 1980). Then Reagan cut off disability pay for the US veterans, which caused many of them to die or commit suicide while trying to get back on it.

    It is estimated that TODAY 22 US veterans commit suicide EVERY DAY, which means 660 DIE every MONTH, while they live in poverty and fear, and pain & disability, having endured the worst horrors of war for months at a time. With no hope of ever going home, until they have been wounded, or killed, or tried to commit suicide. This is a worse crime than Auschwitz, since it covers all nationalities, ages, & ranks. And it is visited only upon the poor, or underprivileged, who could not use any other option. They hijacked the National Guard troops away from typical domestic duty.

    Bush Jr, on the other hand got into the National Guard to fly planes (inside the safe non-war borders of the USA) and then he flunked his flight physical (possibly due to drug use) & had to spend the rest of his tour being AWOL (going out to campaign for his father) where the most danger he was in, was falling off the bar stools in the officer's club. The pitiful plight of the privileged people in politics.

    While the Bush family made enormous riches off the stock market in OIL prices, (from stealing oil wells in Iraq), the nation has gone bankrupt from fighting those stupid unnecessary and unethical wars. WHO should pay the veterans benefits? Who should pay for the most expensive military hardware? Like stealth bombers, & armor for our soldier's jeeps? Who should pay the cost of sending tons of ships and helicopters and aircraft carriers over to the Persian Gulf? Who should pay for the food & medical equipment being shipped over there daily? WE DID NOT PROFIT OFF THESE WARS. The most prosperous WEALTH in all history should pay for this War. Yet, strangely, treasonously, THEY ARE PAYING THE LEAST.

    They don't even want to pay their fair share of TAXES. (The dues you owe Uncle Sam for being an American).
    They want to greedily TAKE anything they can (by hook or by crook) but they don't want to pay any taxes or dues.

    They are the Job Creators (so they say). But most of the jobs they are creating is like a dish-washer at McDonald's -- or a taxi driver in a small town -- or maybe a grave digger in a military cemetery. Or we may need a few new recruits for "suicide" duty in Afghanistan.

    After succeeding in Bankrupting the USA in a bunch of useless unnecessary & unethical wars, the GOP can easily weasel their way out of paying their taxes, and run off to the Cayman Islands, or a Swiss Chalet someplace. Never to be seen again, while meanwhile, we are facing a nation without hope, being polluted daily by the worst scourge of this planet, crude oil & tar sands oil, being forced upon us in every part of this nation, through
    hundreds of pipelines routed through our nation's pristine waterways that we NEED for fresh water, to keep this nation alive. If you want a nation that looks like a polluted deadly swamp, an empty lifeless moonscape, then you can achieve this by allowing the Keystone XL pipeline to come down here from Alberta Canada. The Koch Brothers, (right wing GOP, 2nd generation of the JBS) have given us the priceless "gift" of that Pipeline that will bring us extraordinary devastation of this nation's water supply. And "mark my words" -- someday soon, WATER will be the most scarce of all our natural resources, but -- being necessary to all human, plant & animal life, -- it will become the MOST VALUABLE resource.

    And once our waterways have all become "polluted" with British Petroleum (in the Gulf) and Exxon Oil (in Alaska) & by Alberta Canada tar sands oil (coming down the center of America from Canada) in the "Keystone XL Pipeline," we will NOT HAVE ANY PURE WATER LEFT. How long can you live without pure water to drink? Answer: one week. (Or you die). Is it worth it? So a few Americans can make more greedy money by allowing this horrible life-threatening pollution to enter our borders? There are only a precious few sources of fresh drinking water in the USA left. And they are rapidly being depleted by greedy oil companies. They are 'fracking' in the Rocky Mtns (Colorado) to destroy that source of water that supplies large parts of the central plains states. Nuclear power plants are leaking into many rivers. Run-off from chemical plants & slaughter houses are leaking into other rivers & streams. Sewage water treatment plants are ruining many water supplies. Normal household waste & human excrement can destroy a water supply in a heavily populated area. FRESH WATER is going to be one very scarce quantity. BUT without it, we all will die.
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    eternal flame Wrote: The GOP is not capable of accepting culpability for this war crime, (IRAQ) & for killing Saddam Hussein & his 2 sons, who had done NOTHING that he was accused of doing. According to Wikipedia, Saddam Hussein was "elected" thru some unusual means, I don't have every detail available right now, but he was not a cruel abusive leader. He did not make Iraqi women wear a burqua, he allowed women to go to college, he admired US art, music & architecture, and movies. He copied American clothing. He considered himself to be an honorable ALLY of the United States. But somewhere near the War's beginning [Shock & Awe --- 2003] Donald Rumsfeld & Dick Cheney became obsessed with his "dangerous nature" saying he was a dictator, and treated his people with contempt. (I think this was another false rumor, coming out of the Iraq War). IRAQ never confronted U.S. forces, as anything but allies. While US forces were occupying Kuwait, Iraqi forces frequently lit cigarettes for US guards. Both of them were guarding the borders there. And if the truth be known, the whole Kuwait invasion was a set up by Daddy Bush (#41) who TOLD Saddam Hussein that it was OK for him to go take back Kuwait, which had been formerly a territory of Iraq. Bush told his embassy staff (April Glaspie) to tell Saddam that it was OK for him to take back Kuwait, the US had no issue with it. But immediately after Saddam went into Kuwait to capture it, Bush went ballistic and claimed it was an illegal hostile movement by Saddam which required American military intervention. (Bush tricked Saddam into doing this), so to create a false flag operation to give us an excuse to invade Iraq. (Daddy Bush owned oil wells in Kuwait). So that may have played a role in that whole scenario.

    The GOP has never done anything that is not seriously unethical, criminal, or even a war crime in many decades. Even Ronnie Reagan committed a serious crime by giving weapons to an "enemy" nation (Iran) to get the hostages released. (During the Carter Admin. -- 1976 tp 1980). Then Reagan cut off disability pay for the US veterans, which caused many of them to die or commit suicide while trying to get back on it.

    It is estimated that TODAY 22 US veterans commit suicide EVERY DAY, which means 660 DIE every MONTH, while they live in poverty and fear, and pain & disability, having endured the worst horrors of war for months at a time. With no hope of ever going home, until they have been wounded, or killed, or tried to commit suicide. This is a worse crime than Auschwitz, since it covers all nationalities, ages, & ranks. And it is visited only upon the poor, or underprivileged, who could not use any other option. They hijacked the National Guard troops away from typical domestic duty.

    Bush Jr, on the other hand got into the National Guard to fly planes (inside the safe non-war borders of the USA) and then he flunked his flight physical (possibly due to drug use) & had to spend the rest of his tour being AWOL (going out to campaign for his father) where the most danger he was in, was falling off the bar stools in the officer's club. The pitiful plight of the privileged people in politics.

    While the Bush family made enormous riches off the stock market in OIL prices, (from stealing oil wells in Iraq), the nation has gone bankrupt from fighting those stupid unnecessary and unethical wars. WHO should pay the veterans benefits? Who should pay for the most expensive military hardware? Like stealth bombers, & armor for our soldier's jeeps? Who should pay the cost of sending tons of ships and helicopters and aircraft carriers over to the Persian Gulf? Who should pay for the food & medical equipment being shipped over there daily? WE DID NOT PROFIT OFF THESE WARS. The most prosperous WEALTH in all history should pay for this War. Yet, strangely, treasonously, THEY ARE PAYING THE LEAST.

    They don't even want to pay their fair share of TAXES. (The dues you owe Uncle Sam for being an American).
    They want to greedily TAKE anything they can (by hook or by crook) but they don't want to pay any taxes or dues.

    They are the Job Creators (so they say). But most of the jobs they are creating is like a dish-washer at McDonald's -- or a taxi driver in a small town -- or maybe a grave digger in a military cemetery. Or we may need a few new recruits for "suicide" duty in Afghanistan.

    After succeeding in Bankrupting the USA in a bunch of useless unnecessary & unethical wars, the GOP can easily weasel their way out of paying their taxes, and run off to the Cayman Islands, or a Swiss Chalet someplace. Never to be seen again, while meanwhile, we are facing a nation without hope, being polluted daily by the worst scourge of this planet, crude oil & tar sands oil, being forced upon us in every part of this nation, through
    hundreds of pipelines routed through our nation's pristine waterways that we NEED for fresh water, to keep this nation alive. If you want a nation that looks like a polluted deadly swamp, an empty lifeless moonscape, then you can achieve this by allowing the Keystone XL pipeline to come down here from Alberta Canada. The Koch Brothers, (right wing GOP, 2nd generation of the JBS) have given us the priceless "gift" of that Pipeline that will bring us extraordinary devastation of this nation's water supply. And "mark my words" -- someday soon, WATER will be the most scarce of all our natural resources, but -- being necessary to all human, plant & animal life, -- it will become the MOST VALUABLE resource.

    And once our waterways have all become "polluted" with British Petroleum (in the Gulf) and Exxon Oil (in Alaska) & by Alberta Canada tar sands oil (coming down the center of America from Canada) in the "Keystone XL Pipeline," we will NOT HAVE ANY PURE WATER LEFT. How long can you live without pure water to drink? Answer: one week. (Or you die). Is it worth it? So a few Americans can make more greedy money by allowing this horrible life-threatening pollution to enter our borders? There are only a precious few sources of fresh drinking water in the USA left. And they are rapidly being depleted by greedy oil companies. They are 'fracking' in the Rocky Mtns (Colorado) to destroy that source of water that supplies large parts of the central plains states. Nuclear power plants are leaking into many rivers. Run-off from chemical plants & slaughter houses are leaking into other rivers & streams. Sewage water treatment plants are ruining many water supplies. Normal household waste & human excrement can destroy a water supply in a heavily populated area. FRESH WATER is going to be one very scarce quantity. BUT without it, we all will die.
    Hey, "flame" you are way ahead of me!! So I have nothing to write about anymore, since you said it all!! compliments.
  • Democrat
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    I understand that today is the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War. I wonder if anybody is celebrating, including those in Iraq? The young men and women who fought in this war that are plagued with PTSD, wounds that have not healed, and devastating/crimpling injuries are they celebrating? The famous quote of the name of the attack, "Shock & Awe", only is for those that are feeble in mind that enjoy Independence Day fireworks way too much.

    I encourage everybody to approach a hurting veteran of this Iraq war and say, "I'm sorry". We did not protest significantly. We had not focused our protesting against the President and Administration. I have never supported the way some protested during the Vietnam War as they took it personnally against the serviceman. That kind of protesting is misguided and insane. Those days the propaganda machine fed alot of crap to America and with an abundance of drugs made Americans fight each other. Our energies must be focused on the political machine and today it is the ruination of America by the Republican and Tea Party Base. We must have more ethical, moral and respect/honor for our American brothers and sisters. Send your protest to those that do not exhibit ethical, moral and respect/honor to our humanity. If you ever seen that famous painting about Hell and man's inhumane nature than you can realize how propaganda and an abundance of drugs can do the kinda of protesting we did in the Vietnam War. If I remember correctly that painting was by Descartes.

    I doubt the Bush Administration will pay any remorse or penalities for their evil agenda imposed on Americans, but we can insure that History will record it. I recall Cheney was afraid of how History was going to record his career. He should be. I hope he has nightmares.
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    The only thing a Veteran wants to hear is a thank you and get a welcome home hug or a handshake, not an apology.
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    The only thing I want to hear from a veteran is "I was a fool to be suckered in by the political, military establishment and I'm sorry for the part I played in destroying society"

    We are all responsible for our actions and that most definitely includes resistance to immoral acts by politicians. If you follow along like sheep, you get slaughtered - that's how life works!
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    I just saw on TV ( Democracy Now.Org channel) that they have made a documentary about the "torture" etc. committed by the US in El Salvador and Iraq; a certain Michael Steele seems to be the CIA prefered person to work this system. What I noticed is that this documentary will be sent out this weekend on a lot of stations; however in the US hardly any stations showed an interest; typical. I saw some bits and pieces; this should open the peoples eyes here, that this is not such a "sweet" country after all.
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    pr Wrote: The only thing I want to hear from a veteran is "I was a fool to be suckered in by the political, military establishment and I'm sorry for the part I played in destroying society"

    We are all responsible for our actions and that most definitely includes resistance to immoral acts by politicians. If you follow along like sheep, you get slaughtered - that's how life works!
    pgr, my only response to you is that I don't believe any veteran should be asked to say he is sorry for being suckered in, because he wasn't suckered in, he/she obeyed the laws of the country and did as the leaders instructed them to, PERIOD. IF they objected to serving, they could have been conscientious objectors, but since they were NOT or did NOT, they should just keep their mouths shut, thank the Lord that they came home safely, and feel good and proud that they performed a service for their country. They are certainly both good and proud in my eyes. They are part of the reason that we have the freedoms we enjoy today. So I say thank them and go on living. I'm sure that's all they would ask. You are free to express your opinions, and you have them to thank for that. So you may continue railing against the establishment, just remember who gave you that right.
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    For many of us that fell for the propaganda of the Vietnam, you are welcome for your rights as citizens of the United States, just as our fore Fathers fought in previous wars for our freedoms we enjoy today. We all have the right to be as obnoxious and cruel as we desire works both ways. We fought for the right in the GOP and their flying evil monkey club to spread hate and racial dislike for those that they deem unworthy. It gives them the right to spread lies and untruths for their agenda in promoting business investments like a gun with 50 rounds for all to kill each other, oil to pollute our natural resources (Keystone Pipeline and offshore platforms), keep the poor failing to surviving, spread lies like manure to keep honest politicians from getting into office, pass laws to keep all Americans from voting. I can continue to go on, but I believe you all should get the message and if not, there's no hope. We are not a perfect government and nation, but we do try to evolve. There has been progress with black and women rights, and as nation we proudly show two cars or more in the driveway, two or more TV's in the house, and food on the table. However, some of these things we enjoy are being threatened by those that want to better control our habits and force us to work until death. I volunteer every Friday for Harvester's and send food bags to a local elementary school. If everybody would open their eyes and see the poor in this country and its impact on children, than you can believe forces are at work keeping the poor handicapped to survive. These forces must be high-lighted and show to the world their evil ways. Evil is in every circle of topics we talk about in this forum, which is why this is a way for us to charge our batteries and put the spot light on them.

    Yes, veterans fighting for our country in parts all over world has created a life in this country that even the evil hearted can do their legal best to us. As Jesus said to his disciples in the Garden of Gethseme, "do not take up your sword, but turn the other cheek". Well, you can say our American fighting men do take up the sword in attempt to preserve peace and the rights of all, but we also, as much as it hurts, turn the other cheek when someone says cruel and mean words against us and our fellow serviceman and women. So in some ways, those that say those hateful words to our servicemen, I often say to myself, there's another evil Flying monkey fan.

    Yesterday was a good showing of "Selling the War". I recently viewed another documentary on Link TV, "Ethos: A Time for Change". Please search for additional viewing of this documentary it continues with more evidence on propaganda and selling a war.

    For all Evil Flying Monkeys...............phlupppbbbb'ssssss
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    Freedom; All that you posted regarding the GOP and their hate machine is correct but there are some democrats who spew just as much hate filled vitriol as any republicans, I find that those who rely on that type of rhetoric do so to either strengthen their weak arguement or mask their lack of knowledge on the suject matter,to be able fully understand any issue you must listen to both sides with an open mind and not be stuck in some preconceived idea of what the possible solution might be. If you have questions or any reservations about what you just heard,do your own research,make up your mind,don't let someone else make it for you.
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    michaels39301 Wrote:
    pr Wrote: The only thing I want to hear from a veteran is "I was a fool to be suckered in by the political, military establishment and I'm sorry for the part I played in destroying society"

    We are all responsible for our actions and that most definitely includes resistance to immoral acts by politicians. If you follow along like sheep, you get slaughtered - that's how life works!
    pgr, my only response to you is that I don't believe any veteran should be asked to say he is sorry for being suckered in, because he wasn't suckered in, he/she obeyed the laws of the country and did as the leaders instructed them to, PERIOD. IF they objected to serving, they could have been conscientious objectors, but since they were NOT or did NOT, they should just keep their mouths shut, thank the Lord that they came home safely, and feel good and proud that they performed a service for their country. They are certainly both good and proud in my eyes. They are part of the reason that we have the freedoms we enjoy today. So I say thank them and go on living. I'm sure that's all they would ask. You are free to express your opinions, and you have them to thank for that. So you may continue railing against the establishment, just remember who gave you that right.
    Sure you can not blame them; however blame the establishment who suckered them in; I never understood why there are still add's on TV for joining the forces; I guess our tax money was not intended for that. Also it glorifies it Rambo style with huge weaponary and flashy uniforms etc. Also the media with their army/war movies and fictional hero's gives a very distorted view of wars. Therefore I think on our schools they schould educate these kids and visit with them an army hospital so they can see closeby what also can happen to them if they join. Sorry to say there is here still way too much glorification of war and the Rambo culture. We should have been out of Afghanistan years ago but the "industry" prevents this. Becoming billionairs over the bodies of our soldiers is seemingly more important.
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    Long ago I bought into the theory of joining up as a sign of patriotism and giving back to my country for all that they afforded me, was I influenced by the Hollywood presentations of war, I don't know, John Wayne was a bad ass, so why coudn't I be a bad ass, besides my uncles and father served in either WWII or Korea, they all came back and although they never discussed with me at least their experiences ,they seemed pretty normal,besides the Hippies and the protesters seemed too weird to me. Skip to 3 1/2 years later, I didn't have much to say either about my experiences ,although I did still believe that I did the right thing, I never got into the politics of that war because first of all I never thought that my country could be corrupt and also all of my Commanders would be battle tested and that we were invincible,also no one that I knew would get killed, so maybe 1 month after orientation, all of of my truths were tested and they failed, my country could and very likely was corrupt,my CO. was like 5 years older than me, and I lost some friends because we were not invincible. My point is this, I still think that my country with all of its faults is still the greatest Nation on earth, do we as Americans make mistakes, are we corruptible, ,God yes, are we a contrary people,oh yea, and we do have our share of hypocrites in political office. What makes us better is that we can can change our leaders without fear of repercussions or reprisals, our biggest problem though is that we are still lazy to make our own decisions , its easier to allow someone else to do for you, that way when and if your choice turns out not be what was advertised, you can feign and duck your responsibilty.
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    When I was in I stated that if fought for our country we are soldiers. If we get sent to further "national interests" I.E. for some idiot corporation then we would be mercenaries. My guys argreed and asked if we should get higher pay in that case. Kinda like BlackWater did.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Long ago I bought into the theory of joining up as a sign of patriotism and giving back to my country for all that they afforded me, was I influenced by the Hollywood presentations of war, I don't know, John Wayne was a bad ass, so why coudn't I be a bad ass, besides my uncles and father served in either WWII or Korea, they all came back and although they never discussed with me at least their experiences ,they seemed pretty normal,besides the Hippies and the protesters seemed too weird to me. Skip to 3 1/2 years later, I didn't have much to say either about my experiences ,although I did still believe that I did the right thing, I never got into the politics of that war because first of all I never thought that my country could be corrupt and also all of my Commanders would be battle tested and that we were invincible,also no one that I knew would get killed, so maybe 1 month after orientation, all of of my truths were tested and they failed, my country could and very likely was corrupt,my CO. was like 5 years older than me, and I lost some friends because we were not invincible. My point is this, I still think that my country with all of its faults is still the greatest Nation on earth, do we as Americans make mistakes, are we corruptible, ,God yes, are we a contrary people,oh yea, and we do have our share of hypocrites in political office. What makes us better is that we can can change our leaders without fear of repercussions or reprisals, our biggest problem though is that we are still lazy to make our own decisions , its easier to allow someone else to do for you, that way when and if your choice turns out not be what was advertised, you can feign and duck your responsibilty.
    Yes that was your experience as is for so many, but for a lot of others who are still limping on one leg or no legs at all things may be different. Like you said : "....this is still the greatest Nation on earth", let's keep it that way and learn from our mistakes of instead repeating these over and over again to enrich a few. Like right now a new film is out about G.I. Joe; on the preview I saw of course the biggest guns and hero's possible; invincible and the hero of course wins. Sure the right education for our kids. Is n't time to make film about all the "mental incapacitated" and "wounded" people of wars and filming what we all have destroyed in countries who never attacked us? How could we be proud about that?