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15 years in prison for beard cutting!

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  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    Ohio Amish were convicted in September of hate crimes in 2011 attacks meant to shame fellow Amish they believed were straying from the strict religious interpretations espoused by the sect's leader. Fifteen of them received sentences ranging from one to seven years; the ringleader, Samuel Mullet Sr., got 15 years. Does this make sense to anyone?
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    I don't understand it...but I'm not Amish. I would venture a guess that there are no Amish on The Democratic Hub at all, so maybe none of us can ever understand these sentences. The Amish have very different customs, courtesies, and beliefs from most of us and it seems that this beard cutting was a VERY serious offense in their society.

    I find beliefs held by some Muslims strange also. There's lots of cultures that we do not understand.

    I'd guess that if these Amish are put into the general prison population they will find those customs and courtesies of the prison population quite different for the Amish society that they have been removed from. They may not make any sense of prison life.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    It's just hard to believe that we as tax payers now have to pay for the incarceration, for cutting a beard. Maybe simple assault or similar charge I could see. That might pave the way for the victims if so aggrieved could file a civil suit.
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    Durham, NH
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    They should just make him drive a car!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: They should just make him drive a car!
    Wrong idea!! Once you are used to a horse and a buggy, you never want a car, because looking at the ass end of a horse is much more fun than looking at the dead flies on your windshield. Also no flat tires and no filling up!!
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    Boone Wrote: It's just hard to believe that we as tax payers now have to pay for the incarceration, for cutting a beard. Maybe simple assault or similar charge I could see. That might pave the way for the victims if so aggrieved could file a civil suit.
    I agree that incarceration for cutting a beard does not seem right and no we should not pay for it, but there's lots of people incarcerated who we are paying for that I do not agree with.
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    Boone Wrote: It's just hard to believe that we as tax payers now have to pay for the incarceration, for cutting a beard. Maybe simple assault or similar charge I could see. That might pave the way for the victims if so aggrieved could file a civil suit.
    That community isn't used to the kind of behavior exhibited by the convicted. The sentence length sems to take into account the terror that was caused. Thus the nutty one gets 15 and followers get less.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    The military cut my hair and beard, is there a difference? I choice to be in the military, they choice to practice that faith.
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    Nebraska
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    The difference? I think the military legally cut your hair and beard and it was expected. This Amish guy had his beard cut, it was ruled a criminal act, and he probably did not expect it. It was probably ruled an assault as he did not choose to have it cut. In basic training, you know that a haircut is coming when you signed the contract and took the oath. If the military forcibly cut your hair and beard when you had not joined them or been drafted, You might have a case.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Not knowing all of the facts in the case,I guess they were found guilty of some kind of Aggraveted Assault with a weapon enhancement with mandatory sentences to run consectitivly.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    I was just throwing the military in as a pun. They were actually charged under the "Hate Crimes" laws.
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    Nebraska
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    I think it probably WAS a hate crime, as much as any crime could be classified as such. What seems to us as a fairly minor crime may have been a very big deal to these people. I think there's probably few, if any Amish in the US military, and the hair and beard cutting may be one of the reasons.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Very interesting topic. I went to college at the U. of Iowa in Iowa City, IA. About 12 miles away were the Amana Colonies. Amana was the home of Amana appliances and the surrounding community out into the countryside was almost nothing but these Amish people. They would drive their horse and buggies to Iowa City for some shopping trips, and I got to see and interact with many over the years. While appearances can be deceiving, the ones I met were kind, polite, well-spoken, and basically very nice people. And notably, their children were never out of line that I could see. And they sure didn't bother a soul that I could see either.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    michaels39301 Wrote: Very interesting topic. I went to college at the U. of Iowa in Iowa City, IA. About 12 miles away were the Amana Colonies. Amana was the home of Amana appliances and the surrounding community out into the countryside was almost nothing but these Amish people. They would drive their horse and buggies to Iowa City for some shopping trips, and I got to see and interact with many over the years. While appearances can be deceiving, the ones I met were kind, polite, well-spoken, and basically very nice people. And notably, their children were never out of line that I could see. And they sure didn't bother a soul that I could see.
    Yes there are a lot of people here of all kind of denominations, color, religions etc. That is great, and of course if they are happy with their form of life that is great too. The only thing what could go wrong in this society is the "power" hungry ones who want to rule; like some churches and their meddling into politics while reaping the "money" All kind of groups are just fine and you do not hear much of them; so leave them alone; Live and let live for those.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Out here in Pa. we have the County of Lancaster,where there is a large contingent of the Amish, when I go there for various festivels and such, I learned that one of the most severe forms of punishment for a Amish person is to be shunned, this is usually done for crimes againt the community and carries a set limit of time, no other Amish person ,including direct family members ,may speak or even look your way,if you get sick,no one may help you,you are on your own, they refer to us as English, so in English prisons where ones goes for crimes against the English Community,he is taken care of, all his basic needs are provided for, plus visitations from friends and family members is permitted, so who has the harsher penalties.