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Heroin making the record book

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  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    I just saw on the news, how heroin has never been this HUGE of a problem before in America. Why is it a record today, even after all we know about the drug, how it is near impossible to quit and most who start using it end up on disability payments or dead? I will tell you how, “prescription drug industry.” The industry makes synthetic heroin(or "opiates" the candy coat name) in the form of a pill today. Our children pop the pills because the system has put them in our children’s hands. Most of our children don’t realize the pills they are popping are synthetic heroin, until it is too late. Once our children become addicted to the pills, they learn fast that real heroin is cheaper than the pills, addicts can't afford to waste money for synthedic when they can have real for cheaper.

    It is very possible that the lobby system thinks they have to quite our future majority somehow in order to keep political control, I guess creating heroin addicts was one way to do this and make some money off the Afghanistan war at the same time, since Afghanistan is providing today's record setting heroin. What are our troops doing over there?

    Yes our troops see the heroin everyday over there, but have been instructed to leave the record setting poppy fields alone! You can thank the system that owns our politicians for heroin setting new record deaths among our children. Why do we put up with this as a majority, doesn't this make you sick too?
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    Just a thought, with the increased enforcement of Dr shopping laws, and prosecution of insurance fraud relating to the diversion of prescription pharmaceuticals, some of these addicts may find it easier to purchase heroin. The reason why heroin usage rate fell in the first place, was due to the fact of stronger government replacement drugs. Only my opinion, I was not aware that usage rates had went up, but I have been predicting this. It's the natural and logical result for the addict to find a source, the laws of economics at work.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    The sound bite that's heard every where today, save our children, deaths to our children, and so on always pertaining to our children. Does this in some way add emphasis? Normally there's no cited sources showing how children are at an elevated risk. To me it lends less credence to the issue at hand. It's akin to the emptiest drum makes the most noise. This post is not a personal front with the above post. Just my rant and rave for the day.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    I've not heard about this........ It sounds like a conspiracy theory kind of paranoia. Do you have a news article that mentions this problem ?
    I agree in general that the pharma lobby is evil and they'll fight to steal every dollar that they can. I have not heard about candy coated heroin for children though. That sounds crazy. Please support this allegation with a news source of some type.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    ..."the pharma lobby is evil"... That begs the question...Are there any lobbys which are NOT evil? All of them are there to make money, every dime they can squeeze out of us, and I would say they are ALL evil.

    The lobbys already own our politicians, runs our government, and basically controls Washington. They should all be outlawed, but it'll never happen. it seems like it could not get any worse but it probably will.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    jamesn Wrote: ..."the pharma lobby is evil"... That begs the question...Are there any lobbys which are NOT evil? All of them are there to make money, every dime they can squeeze out of us, and I would say they are ALL evil.

    The lobbys already own our politicians, runs our government, and basically controls Washington. They should all be outlawed, but it'll never happen. it seems like it could not get any worse but it probably will.


    I hear ya, but one must never say never, that is your will being thrown out the window. When the majority knows what you know, we will have a real government for and by us.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    TJ Wrote: I've not heard about this........ It sounds like a conspiracy theory kind of paranoia. Do you have a news article that mentions this problem ?
    I agree in general that the pharma lobby is evil and they'll fight to steal every dollar that they can. I have not heard about candy coated heroin for children though. That sounds crazy. Please support this allegation with a news source of some type.
    Man I wish the prescrittion drug and heroin problem was just a conspiracy theory, but saddly it is not. The system has put synthedic heroin into our hands, when these hands can no longer get or afford the legal heroin, the addicts must find the illegal heroin. I have been watching this problem on the local news, but I am going to google right now to find the sites you requested.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Boone Wrote: The sound bite that's heard every where today, save our children, deaths to our children, and so on always pertaining to our children. Does this in some way add emphasis? Normally there's no cited sources showing how children are at an elevated risk. To me it lends less credence to the issue at hand. It's akin to the emptiest drum makes the most noise. This post is not a personal front with the above post. Just my rant and rave for the day.
    I understand where you are coming from and I don't like to use scare tactics, but the pill problem is greatest amoung the young, it is our children who I am most sick for.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    unitedmajority Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: I've not heard about this........ It sounds like a conspiracy theory kind of paranoia. Do you have a news article that mentions this problem ?
    I agree in general that the pharma lobby is evil and they'll fight to steal every dollar that they can. I have not heard about candy coated heroin for children though. That sounds crazy. Please support this allegation with a news source of some type.
    Man I wish the prescrittion drug and heroin problem was just a conspiracy theory, but saddly it is not. The system has put synthedic heroin into our hands, when these hands can no longer get or afford the legal heroin, the addicts must find the illegal heroin. I have been watching this problem on the local news, but I am going to google right now to find the sites you requested.
    Here is the first site I have for you, it tells where and what opiates come from: http://www.ehow.com/about_5049658_opiate.html
    I'm going back to google to find you some facts about how HUGE the pill problem has become in America.

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    I think you will find this News article interesting, it talks of the opiate problem amoung our troops. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/06/number-troops-seeking-opiate-addicti.../
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    This News article has a lot of info about the opiate deaths in America: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-duncan/painkiller-addiction_b_2096906.html

    There are several related news stories on this site, if anyone would like me to post more sites no problem, but I believe the ones posted will color the picture clearer.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    TJ Wrote: I've not heard about this........ It sounds like a conspiracy theory kind of paranoia. Do you have a news article that mentions this problem ?
    I agree in general that the pharma lobby is evil and they'll fight to steal every dollar that they can. I have not heard about candy coated heroin for children though. That sounds crazy. Please support this allegation with a news source of some type.
    This just in from Fox News!!!
    http://fox6now.com/2013/03/18/sheboygan-police-10-suspected-drug-dealers-arrested-in-plymouth-area/
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    The issue of opiates has been around for thousands of years and is an incredibly tricky and complex subject to tackle. On the one hand, opiates are used for pain reduction in patients that have had traumatic injuries and need an immediate pain reliever. Doctors have not been able to find a more effective pain reliever than morphine in thousands of years and there's a reason for that: it works. I can tell you from first hand experience. I had a brain hemorrhage back in 1997 and I can attest that morphine definitely relieves massive pain. I can also attest that it is extremely addictive and not easy to be weened off of.

    We are dealing with a drug that has both the power to help and the power to kill. The same drug that helped me get through some of the toughest days of my life got me so hooked that some of the next toughest days were when I was forced to ween off of it. As you expressed your frustration in your post: the pharmaceutical lobby in this country has succeeded in getting this drug into millions of homes without the average individual fully understanding what they are putting in their bodies, especially the nations youth. We have become a nation that is reliant on a pill to cure all ills from headaches to a stubbed toe, from a minor cut to an upset stomach. Something doesn't feel right? Take a pill and it'll all be better!

    The only way this will stop is if we as individuals start educating ourselves. Big Pharma isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but we can choose what we put into our kids and our own bodies. Force a doctor to explain why he thinks that your child needs to be put on synthetic heroin and then force him to disclose what drug companies visited his offices in the past year. Don't be surprised when he avoids the question because I can pretty much guarantee you that he is recommending a drug that he's been paid to recommend by Big Pharma.

    Now, not all doctors are bad individuals that want to get you and your child hooked on synthetic heroin. The problem is the system. The system and US! As much as American's want to blame their Doctors and everyone else for their ill's, it's OUR fault that we have become complacent as a society in thinking that whenever something hurts that a pill can fix it. When it all breaks down, we have to educate ourselves and force our doctors to explain what it is they are prescribing our children and us. Force them to do their real jobs, which is to work for US and not Big Pharma!
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Hey jared, I applaud your posting here, and just never thought I would see anyone railing against what I have ALWAYS been afraid of. Yes, even though I spent 2 years in the U. of Iowa Pharmacy School. I do not deny that drugs have their place. I have had times when I absolutely needed them, like when I was in a coma with a brain injury, or having my cardiac pacemaker implanted. But, I have always been in a rush to get to the point where I don't take the drugs any longer. I am that way today, so much so that I have a MediCare advantage plan with NO Prescription Coverage. I will take them IF I need them, but only as long as I need them. My doctors are aware of this and have not tried to put me on any medications.
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    I have a serious issue with Big Pharma right now. But first, I wanted to say that I saw a TV documentary about a week ago, saying that they are trying right now, in the field of battle, when they evacuate an injured soldier, they are giving him "acupuncture" instead of pain pills. NO LIE. It is a bit jarring to think some boys really suffering, may be given a "hype" form of treatment, but I guess the govt is aware of the high cost of morphine type drugs, and there are so many pain pills on the market that the Medical Evac crews literally can't keep track of them all. They literally did not know how many pills they had administered, or the name of the pills to look them up. (It gets even worse when you consider that, for every name brand drug being given, there is at least one "generic" which has a different name, size, shape or color. Very confusing).

    I do wonder, how much effect of acupuncture is from the needles themselves, or is it merely psychological?
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    Hi Michaels: You said your doctors are aware of your wishes not to be put onto any unnecessary drugs? And that they will comply with your wishes? I wonder if that situation (that you describe) is universal anymore. In my recent experience, things are much more sinister than that. A dear friend of mine, (diagnosed with diabetes) was told she had to take 5 RX drugs, all at once, or she would be DEAD within 6 months. She was a lady with some college education, & medical experience, so she read the drug inserts on all those medications, & realized that they would definitely be dangerous for her to take them. The next week, at her next Dr Appt, he asked her if she was taking the medication as prescribed, & she said NO, & told him why. He was almost angry, telling her she HAD to take them all exactly as he told her to. She politely refused, saying all the reasons why she would object to those drugs at all, much less having to take them all together (due to drug interactions). He then asked her when was her last mammogram, & when she said NEVER, he almost lost it. He said that if she refused a mammogram, they would write it down & if she ever got a breast tumor, they would refuse to do surgery on her to remove it. (Like a threat). A week later, in the mail, that medical clinic sent her a Notice of Termination of Healthcare, saying they would refuse to give her any healthcare in that clinic, by ANY doctors (about 30 of them) in that clinic. The original doctor not once offered to suggest to her some OTHER diabetic medications, that she would be willing to take. (It was "his way or the highway"- that type of action that I refer to as Gestapo medicine). PLUS her wonderful (very young) doctor told her repeatedly that if she didn't take what he wanted her to take, & follow his instructions, he GUARANTEED she would be dead in 6 months. A very arrogant young man, with "no sensitivity" to the individual needs of his patients, and also decidedly getting a kick-back from certain drug companies. (So he would NOT prescribe any other drugs that he could have used as a substitute for the RX he wrote). Anyway, to make a long story short, that prediction of "imminent death" that the doctor told her, that GUARANTEE she would be dead in 6 months, has expired a month & 1/2 ago. And she has stubbornly kept on living, anyway. And she is proud to announce that she is still living, DESPITE she NEVER TOOK ONE OF THE PILLS he told her she MUST TAKE. Yes, but she is quite sure if she HAD taken all those 5 RX pills he tried to force on her, that she would be dead of all the side effects & drug interactions of all those pills.

    If my friend was senile or uneducated, maybe the situation would be different. Maybe she would not be qualified to make her own decisions on what medications to take or not to take. But in her case, she was quite capable of understanding all the warnings on the drug labels & inserts, & deciding whether they were safe or unsafe for her to take. For instance, she was "allergic" to 2 of the drugs prescribed. RIGHT THERE, she had proof that she should not be taking those drugs. Another one of those drugs would raise her blood sugar, and if you are diabetic, you are supposed to be LOWERING your blood sugar, not taking a pill to "raise" it. One of the drugs had been banned by the FDA for 20 yrs, because it was "too toxic". But after the drug companies found out it was OK in England, & they could charge EIGHT TIMES what they charged in England, they suddenly decided to remove the ban from that medication. (These are only 1/2 of the reasons she refused to take all 5 of those RX drugs). But she had "ample reasons" believe me, to refuse all those medications. She ALSO has a multitude of good scientific reasons to refuse a Mammogram. If anyone, especially women, want to know ALL those reasons, I will be happy to tell you.

    Well, back to my friend. She is not dead. Because they sent her a Termination of Care Notice, written by a CEO, not a doctor, she is having a bit of trouble finding another doctor that she can trust. It puts a "black mark" on her record, so many doctors may refuse to treat her. They do not know it is simply because she has her own opinions on what RX she should take and which she should not take. [[ Every year thousands of patients DIE because they are prescribed the wrong medicines. ]] And she does not want to be one of those statistics. HAS ANYONE GOT ANY ADVICE? She is 70 yrs old, has Medicare, always pays her bills. Does not smoke or drink. It is really hard to understand why a young doctor would be so aggressive & arrogant, & so insensitive to a senior citizen. who just wants to be treated decently, in her old age.