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    The Catholic Church in the U.S. changed from Latin to English, many years ago. As for the rest of the world, I sure don't know but I would guess that the mass (the Church's MAIN celebration) is celebrated in the native tongue of most countries. Obviously much Latin is still maintained in the Vatican, the Church's headquarters, but like I said, I have no idea about how the masses are said in the rest of Italy or the other countries. And by the way, it is NOT just to make it interesting, because over the last how many years, it has NOT changed. Part of it (epistles, gospels, etc.) change daily, but the overall makeup has not changed. Even these epistles and gospels repeat each other year after year. As a youngster, I had the Latin responses, or words the altar boys answer to each of the priests sayings or pleas memorized, and thus it was rather common to speak and understand those words. Later on, when the Mass changed to English here in the U.S., the words were an easy substitute for me, but probably more enjoyable for the whole congregation, since their mastery of the Latin was certainly not a requirement.

    When you talk about how Hollywood re-enacts the stories of the Bible, you should also realize that Hollywood's business is entertainment and they are not bound by any rules of accuracy or perfection. You also say that in the olden days they had a lot of superstition and fears of the unknown. You are correct and that is STILL correct today. Just look at the movies about space aliens, ET, wars of the galaxies, etc. Should we be blindly accepting these stories? When the unknown is finally discovered, it is no longer an unknown or a fear, or cause for superstition. And if you blink your eyes, there will always be something new to replace that old fear or superstition.

    Finally, let me address your point of "why did the main guy never write anything?" My belief is that He did. He inspired 4 men who lived during that time, and maybe more that we are simply unaware of, and their individual accounts are quite close in content and meaning. In fact, I would say more so than maybe 4 different reporters from our National News Media might offer their individual reports on one specific incident in our country, like the September 11, Twin Towers disaster.
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    michaels39301 Wrote: The Catholic Church in the U.S. changed from Latin to English, many years ago. As for the rest of the world, I sure don't know but I would guess that the mass (the Church's MAIN celebration) is celebrated in the native tongue of most countries. Obviously much Latin is still maintained in the Vatican, the Church's headquarters, but like I said, I have no idea about how the masses are said in the rest of Italy or the other countries. And by the way, it is NOT just to make it interesting, because over the last how many years, it has NOT changed. Part of it (epistles, gospels, etc.) change daily, but the overall makeup has not changed. Even these epistles and gospels repeat each other year after year. As a youngster, I had the Latin responses, or words the altar boys answer to each of the priests sayings or pleas memorized, and thus it was rather common to speak and understand those words. Later on, when the Mass changed to English here in the U.S., the words were an easy substitute for me, but probably more enjoyable for the whole congregation, since their mastery of the Latin was certainly not a requirement.

    When you talk about how Hollywood re-enacts the stories of the Bible, you should also realize that Hollywood's business is entertainment and they are not bound by any rules of accuracy or perfection. You also say that in the olden days they had a lot of superstition and fears of the unknown. You are correct and that is STILL correct today. Just look at the movies about space aliens, ET, wars of the galaxies, etc. Should we be blindly accepting these stories? When the unknown is finally discovered, it is no longer an unknown or a fear, or cause for superstition. And if you blink your eyes, there will always be something new to replace that old fear or superstition.

    Finally, let me address your point of "why did the main guy never write anything?" My belief is that He did. He inspired 4 men who lived during that time, and maybe more that we are simply unaware of, and their individual accounts are quite close in content and meaning. In fact, I would say more so than maybe 4 different reporters from our National News Media might offer their individual reports on one specific incident in our country, like the September 11, Twin Towers disaster.
    Michaels I agree with you on a lot of points; however on your last line please explain, if you would have been there and be exited, then I guess it does not take 40 years or more before you write something about it. Also because the person of interest never wrote something himself that would make you also suspicious; then to top it of the total history of your church after that. Something smells a bit fishy, don't you think? Thus a statement like "My belief is that he did" contains the word "belief", I guess you know what that means: no facts or proof!!
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    Back in those biblical days very few people were able to write let alone read, so having to listen to all of the oral histories and then have it put down on whatever passed for paper in those days was a formidable task , so much was written in Armaric, Greek and Hebrew ,that it is hard to imagine that anything of it at all was remembered. There are many of us that believe the Bible is the spoken word of Jesus Christ and that it gives us purpose in our lives,if you believe that evil exist then you have to believe, no must believe, that its counterpart goodness also exists, Christians acknowledge the fact that Jesus lived and died in those times, but they also believe that the devil also lives and this earthly plane is his domain, so God,gave us free will to choose our paths thru this life,with the propspect of reward or punishment in the next plane. Men doing evil things is not a mystery, the entire history of mankind is filled with violence,and apparently it always will be,so why not allow some of us to believe in things that make our life more meaningfull,rather than ridicule us, join us and see what makes us tick.
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    There are also plenty of people who believe that there is life out among the known universe, and there are just as many who scoff at the idea because there is no proof of it, ,remember the Scopes Monkey trial ,to this day many don't believe in evolution,only creation is their mantra,again no proof just a belief, but it doesn't make it any less real to them. Man is and always will be a skeptic, that is his nature, that is his gift from God, free will remember.
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    I believe there is intelligent life out there and I believe it has visited here a few times. The building of the pyramids....... There was a jump in evolution when mankind took a giant step forward in intelligence.......
    The folks who believe in creationism are the same ones who believe the world is 6000 years old. Sad when your beliefs conflict with science. Boy, those science guys sure are smart. They've got all of the facts and all of the information.
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    Tony:
    All I am saying is that this world is big enough to have both the naysayers and the believers, thats all, I like honest debate and it doesn't have to include the name calling and ridiculing of someone's opposing point of view,if everyone thought the same and acted in the same way what a boring place this would be. So many think that the scientist knows all in his chosen field of course, at one time Scientist's thought that by bleeding a patient that it cleansed the body of bad blood,and that church leaders at one time thought seizures were the work of the devil, but the one thing that stays constant is when people decide to respect one another's culture and religions they seem to get along a lot better.
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    Tony and johnnycee, both of your answers hold lots of water. Thanks for your contributions, you sure helped by giving some response to Dutch's question about something "smelling a bit fishy". My opinion is that free discussion is for everyone, and "free" means just that. We are ALL entitled to our own opinions and if someone adamantly disagrees, they better come with 100% provable evidence and facts as to why one might be wrong. To simply say "my opinion is different" is just fine and everyone is entitled to that, but to say "you are wrong", and not prove that with direct evidence, does little or nothing to back one's case.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Back in those biblical days very few people were able to write let alone read, so having to listen to all of the oral histories and then have it put down on whatever passed for paper in those days was a formidable task , so much was written in Armaric, Greek and Hebrew ,that it is hard to imagine that anything of it at all was remembered. There are many of us that believe the Bible is the spoken word of Jesus Christ and that it gives us purpose in our lives,if you believe that evil exist then you have to believe, no must believe, that its counterpart goodness also exists, Christians acknowledge the fact that Jesus lived and died in those times, but they also believe that the devil also lives and this earthly plane is his domain, so God,gave us free will to choose our paths thru this life,with the propspect of reward or punishment in the next plane. Men doing evil things is not a mystery, the entire history of mankind is filled with violence,and apparently it always will be,so why not allow some of us to believe in things that make our life more meaningfull,rather than ridicule us, join us and see what makes us tick.
    Tony you got an open mind and it shows; only one thing I do not agree on is that the pyramids were built by aliens; they were built by egyptians; it has their writings all over it. Also I absolutely belief the christian story is full of holes; I doubt if a "god" (if it uberhaupt exist in the form people belief) comes down to earth in the form of a "baby" who's dad is a carpenter in a Jewish land and also dies as a "human" because he behaved kind of odd in the eyes of the Romans I guess he was not the only one; (In the second WW the Germans did the same thing) Therefore just as anyone's "belief" I think the whole story is a "normal" story about a lot of people who got punished by the Romans, nothing new, and concocted 40 to 60 years later in a certain form (like they do in the movies nowadays). The reason is quite simple; the Greek and Roman Empire collapsed and their was a vacuum religion wise; so how to control the masses and have power over them? Zeus and Aphrodite were long gone so create something more "believable" And yes it worked; however only by a lot of bloody power plays in the early days and even until modern times. Why is it now one of the riches church in the world besides the Mormon one? They did not get there because they cared; they enslaved them to built their cathedrals (not built by aliens either) stole everything the Templars had and barely gave MichaelAngelo a penny for his paintings and profitted from the wars at that time the castle ruins in the south of France are the quiet witnesses; if there is money to be made they find a way. Sorry to say; if a real "heaven" would exist; I "belief" you can not "buy" your way in.!! I guess the Jews got it right; "the promise" has not yet been fulfilled.
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    The promise that was made ,was by Jesus dying on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins and His resurrection and that thru him everlasting life can be attained, the operative words here are could attain,a choice that only the individual can make, so even though the early Christian leaders were less than humble and prideless,as were many Faiths before them and after them, the promise still holds.
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    johnnycee Wrote: The promise that was made ,was by Jesus dying on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins and His resurrection and that thru him everlasting life can be attained, the operative words here are could attain,a choice that only the individual can make, so even though the early Christian leaders were less than humble and prideless,as were many Faiths before them and after them, the promise still holds.
    That is just fine with me; if you believe such then of course you are very welcome; I have no objections whatsoever. Amen
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    Centuries ago the Church put the important teachings of Christ in the closet and replaced them with a sacramental system. It goes like this....the Church says we have the sacraments you need to be saved, Penance, The Eucharist etc. If you do what we tell you to do we will dispence these sacraments to you. If you don't....no sacraments, We may excomunicate you and you'll be lost. But to many people the teachings are primary to the sacraments. That's where I stand.
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    Not all of the Church's held that view,only the Roman Catholic's stuck to that Dogma, Martin Luther,who was a Catholic Priest at the time ,went to Rome and found it to be rift with corruption, such as the selling of forgiveness for money (Induligence's), he wanted the ordinary member's of the church to have access to the Bible,and so against the Holy See' orders he had the Bible printed and distributed,which further infuriated the Church Leader's to such an extent,that the Holy See actually put out a kill order on him as a heretic. There were many other factors that led to the Reformation and the founding of the Luthern Faith, just a thought, but not all Christians are Roman Catholics.
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    A lot o these later posts make me suspicious that the guards accidently left the door open at a local asylum. That'sreally to bad, Today is the day they were going to teach that 2 and 2 is 4.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Leftofcenter Wrote: Back to the original question. By golly, Bogoglio will slather the subject with thousands of words, pertitnent and obscure. But that's all we'll get is words. In the end very little will change because
    1 He will retain the "celibate" clergy Priests will not be allowed to marry. A very attractive situation for pedohiles.
    2. He will not allow a female priesthood. ( even this would not answer the problem )
    So the priesthood will remain a sanctuary for pedophiles, perhaps with a few measures to disquise the fact. And if they are not already the peds will soon be a majority, becuase straight males would think twice before jumping into that nightmare, where there very presence would make them suspect......I also believe something like that could take place if the US ever tries to reinstitute the draft. It's conceivable that many young men would refuse to serve in a queer army.
    I'm a bit confused; what is that church all about? An "antique fashion" show for old people who should not be married? Looks to me already a bit gay? So what is their problem? Anyway they hate "witches", that has has been proven!!
    Dutch when the "church" takes care of its followers as well as its hierarchy I'll become a "believer"! In the mean time I won't be holding my breath!
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: A lot o these later posts make me suspicious that the guards accidently left the door open at a local asylum. That'sreally to bad, Today is the day they were going to teach that 2 and 2 is 4.
    unless, of course, you're a Tea Bagger, gun nutter when 2+ 2 = whatever is expedient at the time!